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Pretty excited for this, have been sitting out since 5th and though I have heavily debated dipping my toe into AoS this seems like it will be similar enough to try out instead.

A quick thought on a "General's Handbook" type release.

Keep in mind that, during the transitional period from the initial release of Age of Sigmar to the current iteration, stuff like the General's Handbook were released in order to address the major issue of a lack of a point system in the game. Battletomes were re-released for major factions as, since Disciples of Tzeentch, battletomes have changed to better fit the new direction.

Hopefully, with the release of this new 40k edition, the general's handbook equivalent won't be necessary as GW will understand that points should go with the relevant battletome/codex, which has been the case.

I'm thinking, new starter box will be Ultramarines and Death Guard. There's new fluff of Mortarion attacking Ultramar, the new models are coming out, Roboute just got released...

So the subtitle for the new edition is called "Dark Millenium" it seems like?

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
Any date set for release yet? I just bought into two new armies (Nids and GK) and am a little frustrated - I bought models specifically for certain builds and rules, and now my purchase is put into doubt before even opening up the boxes. I put the blame on me as much as GW for invalidating every single codex to date, as maybe I should have waited, but it's still frustrating.

If it's any consolation, your nids are probably about to become a lot more playable. That's the advantage of working on every army at once. Better balance.

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LightKing wrote:
So the subtitle for the new edition is called "Dark Millenium" it seems like?

Same as always.

I have heard a bit of rumor that vehicle AV values are going away and replaced with toughness, making vehicles more durable overall along with the ability to assault from vehicles like rhinos again. Anyone else such ideas floating about?

 Jambles wrote:
I'm thinking, new starter box will be Ultramarines and Death Guard. There's new fluff of Mortarion attacking Ultramar, the new models are coming out, Roboute just got released...

source to the fluff of Mortarion attacking Ultramar?

So! Shall we play some CSI magic here?)

Also I have a picture where in reflection on this bell you can see a new starter box using super x-ray device - but that is top-secret tech.
So I guess it's kinda confirmed Ultramarines-Death Guard starter set.

 WarOne wrote:
I have heard a bit of rumor that vehicle AV values are going away and replaced with toughness, making vehicles more durable overall along with the ability to assault from vehicles like rhinos again. Anyone else such ideas floating about?

Second half (assaulting) I believe has been officially suggested, first half is pure conjecture based on the pattern of AOS. I'm a fan of the concept, but I don't think there's anything even tentatively official to support the idea.

No Scions on that new site, bit of a shame, considering red space marines and green space marines are there.

Oh . Those are jump pack guys on Flight Stands on the Skyshield Landing Pad.

and clearly the new Nurgle stuff is on the table too.

You'd have to be a complete moron to go out and buy anything for any faction until they release the new edition and army rules.
Gw should be taking a sizable hit until then, hope they thought about that since they openly said all books will be invalidated with the new system. In other words, stupid people come buy stuff and assemble things that may not be great lol

Lord Kragan wrote:


Stagnant in releases. Please don't put words in other people's mouths when arguing with them. I, in no way spoke of sales nor them affecting release schedule. I said that in the period you compared there were not as many releases as in the previous period. Nothing else. I believe and see that there were less releases in the period you mention for 40k than for AoS.

But that simply might be because they are running to different production schedules (I.e. 40k is still working to a Codex routine (so one book for a complete army) vs the AoS routine which is drip feeding small amount of units in one book, then another for the background, and another for the campaigns and so on. You are asserting that the 40k releases were stagnant comparatively but you don't actually know that...the style of game may just be that less releases are more likely because each supplement covers more ground. We only have 1.75 years of data and that is what we can only compare to). The number of pages is irrelevant. If GW takes the same approach as AoS then we are likely to see the same thing. If you are only interested in matched play (and nothing else) then yes it is likely to be much cheaper because the basic rules will be free and, if it follows the same method as AoS, the rules for the units will be free. But that only works for those that only like the match play. We already know GW doesn't really want or cater for these people. They want the (fanatical?) hobbyists who love the whole setting, background and so on. For these people getting into the whole 'new' setting is going to cost vastly more than the 40k if you compare between the two setting styles over the last two years or so. It's not an insane strategy - small amounts of money frequently psychologically is a lot less noticeable than large amounts of money every so often.

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:
You'd have to be a complete moron to go out and buy anything for any faction until they release the new edition and army rules.
Gw should be taking a sizable hit until then, hope they thought about that since they openly said all books will be invalidated with the new system. In other words, stupid people come buy stuff and assemble things that may not be great lol

I think it's safe to buy the core units like Tactical Squads, Crisis Suits Ork boyz etc etc. Just magnetize what you buy to future proof them

ROFL I just heard a great rumour, 8th is actually a mash up of AoS and 2nd edition 40k.

The only specifics I could get was that it uses AoS's shonky morale system and 2nds armour modifiers.

It looks like 8th is going to be the gift that keeps on giving, the amount of ways this could go for up is beautiful.

Why should I trust you?

Well at least they have a sense of humour

I am intrigued but cautious. I'm not too keen on the 'low cost' books that I first read, but thankfully it seems they're making the core rules free.

Now, if they could bring the cost of models down, I would be on board. Still think I'm going to sell all of the models that I have already collected though. Would like to start again and do it properly instead of impulse buying, provided of course, it's cheap enough to have as a hobby.

SeanDrake wrote:
ROFL I just heard a great rumour, 8th is actually a mash up of AoS and 2nd edition 40k.

The only specifics I could get was that it uses AoS's shonky morale system and 2nds armour modifiers.

It looks like 8th is going to be the gift that keeps on giving, the amount of ways this could go for up is beautiful.

This is like three weeks old. They flat out told us at Adepticon that they will be using AoS's morale system, and armor modifiers for weapons.

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
Any date set for release yet? I just bought into two new armies (Nids and GK) and am a little frustrated - I bought models specifically for certain builds and rules, and now my purchase is put into doubt before even opening up the boxes. I put the blame on me as much as GW for invalidating every single codex to date, as maybe I should have waited, but it's still frustrating.

Your models will still be playable.... The nids literally can not get anything but better, greynights weren't super well off, but should probably be the same as they are now.

Gee-wiz guys, a flurry of activity on the 40K front. Sure am glad I didn't spend my money on any of those brand new Traitor Legions or Wrath of Magnus books, or even the Deathwatch as they'll only be valid for a few months.

To be fair, I stopped playing when edition 7.1 dropped, invalidating my big rule book a mere three months after I got it (and it had only been out for a few months before that!). Irritation aside, 'cheaper' codices, if indeed a thing exists and free rules would be the sort of thing that would get an incredibly Frikking NARKED OFF player like myself who HATES the constant invalidation of books (I have 5 armies to keep current) back into playing the game.

Having skipped all the codex releases since then, for me at least this change is a good one from my perspective and I don't feel robbed (it's a nice feeling for a change). Good on you GW, credit where credit is due.

Lord Kragan wrote:


I was kidding, you know? Not too big periods of time, though, are more manageable. But you seem to go a few comments behind, so I'll leave the final response for the time you actually catch on with everything, specially the fact that you don't seem to understand that GW works on price brackets. A book is actually more expensive in euros than in pounds in quite a signifiant fashion.That you don't know shows YOU are the one with the weak grasp. And yes, 14+ has had less releases because it's been stagnant in that department. During the previous months to AoS kickstart it had a more intense release schedule, with months even going as far as releasing 2-3 books a month.

Sigh, you are still missing the point. It doesn't matter what the GW price differential between the £ and the Euro is. We are comparing costs across ranges therefore as long as you compare costs in the same currency then the proportional difference is the same regardless of what currency you are in (within about +/-10%) as it depends on what the currency exchange rate was at the time. For example a getting started set for space marines is £50 and Euro65 (a factor increase of 30%) and the Essentials set is £20 to Euro28 (a factor increase of 40%). As such you can quote your prices in Euros and me in £'s but when we talk about price comparisons between ranges but in the same currency then they are roughly the same with only a relatively negligible difference. So to reiterate it doesn't matter what currency you are talking about.

So I'm assuming you work in the GW design studio then to know that it is stagnant? I repeat this is conjecture, all you can do is compare actual facts. Anything else and you are just placing a bias onto the issue.

Seriously, why don't you guys take this borderline off topic wall of text exchange to PMs?

 rollawaythestone wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
ROFL I just heard a great rumour, 8th is actually a mash up of AoS and 2nd edition 40k.

The only specifics I could get was that it uses AoS's shonky morale system and 2nds armour modifiers.

It looks like 8th is going to be the gift that keeps on giving, the amount of ways this could go for up is beautiful.

This is like three weeks old. They flat out told us at Adepticon that they will be using AoS's morale system, and armor modifiers for weapons.

So they said at Adepticon that they were making a Frankenstein of AoS and 2nd edition I must have missed that.

Anyway not sure I belevie that I still think that despite the warnings in tropical thunder there going full AoS.

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:
You'd have to be a complete moron to go out and buy anything for any faction until they release the new edition and army rules.
Gw should be taking a sizable hit until then, hope they thought about that since they openly said all books will be invalidated with the new system. In other words, stupid people come buy stuff and assemble things that may not be great lol

That really depends on why you play the game. If it is relatively competitive then yes it's a risk. But people might play also for just fun, social gathering, painting, background, or to feed to their dog (!). In that case there's no reason not to if you enjoy the game. In fact you might want to because like AoS you might find some models/ranges are discontinued. For example I could speculate that the Armageddon box set had included units that might get discontinued and an clearance of an excess back log was the intended plan. Hence we may see that the basic Ork grunts/space marine scouts might be discontinued. It's all guess work, but for those that want those armies it might be worth stocking up just in case (because like Brets and TK in WFB they now cost a fortune on ebay).

If everything in that picture is in the starter set, that would be the most amazing starter set ever.

So were getting Death Guard in a starter set rather than as a solo release? Lame, as that suggests fixed poses and having to buy/ split starters to get the new models.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Seriously, why don't you guys take this borderline off topic wall of text exchange to PMs?

Well it does have relevance because it all feeds back to an initial starting point as to what the style of releases might be under new 40k and whether that might harm certain groups of players over others. So matched play with free rules may be cheaper for those that only like that style only but those interested in background and campaigns may see a huge bloat in books and rules (and the associated cost) similar to what has happened with AoS. The problem is you can't really have these conversations as one whole on a forum so can look like a bit disjointed unless seen altogether.

Jambles wrote:I actually called it! Three grand alliances, Imperium, Chaos, Xenos... TBF, maybe it's just for navigation purposes on the website, though? No clear indicator it's gonna be in the rules.

I'm not gonna say it won't happen, but there is a <1% chance the Necrons will be teaming up with the Eldar, whom they've technically been at war with for roughly 60 million years. Same goes for the Tyranids: an existential threat so great the Silent King actually returned to the galaxy to help fight it.

kronk wrote:

 Draccan wrote:
Oh and changing 40k scale is a dealbreaker in my book...
Sure you can play with your old miniatures, but what happens when you want new unit types and new models?

Changing the scale to invalidate 20+ years of space marine models is just............... [no words]

I have two words. Bull gak.

They have been steadily increasing for 20+ years. Where have you been?



Left to right:

1. Assault on Black Reach starter set (5th edition)
2. Space Marines vs Tyranid box set (3rd edition?)
3. Old metal marine (3rd edition)
4. Death Watch Marine (7th edition)
5. Space Marines vs Tyranid box set (3rd edition?)
6. Dark Vengeance Chaos Marine (7th edition)

Which one is the right and proper scale that is being "invalidated"? 3rd edition was invalidated with the 4th edition Tactical Squad box. That was "invalidated" with Death Watch. And so on.

Not denying that scale creep is a thing, but you may want to put a second red line along the bases of those models. They are definitely not at the same level.

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:
If everything in that picture is in the starter set, that would be the most amazing starter set ever.

I doubt the scenery or the table is included.

It looks perhaps an Assault squad, tactical squad, something in the background which I assume might be a devastator squad and a hero. For Nurgle some mutant cultists, a blobby monster of some type, plague marries and perhaps some flying thing (similar to a plague drone maybe?)

 Cryonicleech wrote:
Hopefully, with the release of this new 40k edition, the general's handbook equivalent won't be necessary as GW will understand that points should go with the relevant battletome/codex, which has been the case.

I guess it depends on how they implement it, but if they put the points in the battletomes/codexes then they will need to update those individual books to tweak points costs or add anything new. If the points are all kept in a single book then it can be updated yearly without having to mess with the existing stuff. Of course, they could offer free updates to the battletomes, or put points on the warscrolls themselves, or any number of other things.


It would be interesting if they launched the new edition of 40k as sort of an open beta. They could release free core rules and free compendiums for existing armies that include initial points values, and then after six months or so of players trying things out release a GHB with tweaked points costs and start slowly releasing updated battletomes to replace the compendiums. If they were upfront about what they were doing I don't think it would be a bad thing.