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Damn still can't believe those marines are real. So stoked, it's perfect. I won't be replacing my whole marine armies but I will definitely be using these fellas in my mixed Imperium army. Finally give that visual representation of a small band of super soldiers who tower over their mortal allies.

Man I wish we had a clearer image of that obvious starter box in play, although I wonder if either that's not all the Nurgle stuff there or they are super strong as there appears to be a load of marines considering how much Nurgle peeps are there.

 Whirlwind wrote:

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:
If everything in that picture is in the starter set, that would be the most amazing starter set ever.

I doubt the scenery or the table is included.

It looks perhaps an Assault squad, tactical squad, something in the background which I assume might be a devastator squad and a hero. For Nurgle some mutant cultists, a blobby monster of some type, plague marries and perhaps some flying thing (similar to a plague drone maybe?)

Ya not scenery. The close up of the nurgle stuff is really nice so it seems the model quality is really high.

Ha! I knew the leaked marine pic was not a conversion! Have any of the people who were adamant that it was not genuine because they could do it in ten minutes and shins were obvious sculpted because different colours and whatnot commented yet?

In any case, the models look good, I just hope the fluff isn't stupid.

Complete rules reboot is a welcome thing. Your codices will always be invalidated in few years at most, so it is silly to cry about it now. This gives them chance to get rid of some silly relics like AV and otherwise update the mechanics more radically. Of course there is no guarantee that the new rules will be any good, but I remain cautiously optimistic.

As always, what worries me most is the story progression, I just hope they won't utterly ruin the setting.

The AoSfication of 40k is happening. Everything they are talking about is a port from AoS or a throwback to 2nd edition. I have nothing but trepidation for wants to come.

My biggest fear is that they will curb stomp all over the fluff to justify some stupid stormcast equivalents into the setting.

I think it's really telling that forgeworld are sticking with 7th edition rules. Is this because they didn't want to invalidate all their books, or because they have had a good look at 8th edition and don't want to be onboard for the train wreck to come?

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:


It would be interesting if they launched the new edition of 40k as sort of an open beta. They could release free core rules and free compendiums for existing armies that include initial points values, and then after six months or so of players trying things out release a GHB with tweaked points costs and start slowly releasing updated battletomes to replace the compendiums. If they were upfront about what they were doing I don't think it would be a bad thing.

This is probably more likely now. One of the improvements GW have made is being more open about the changes and not denying there is a new edition on its way. They've also stated they will be talking about the new rules mechanics in the coming months.

The current 40k is a bloated mess, but GWs ability to make really engaging games in recent years has dwindled (the more popular ones being based on older games) and hence like AoS it becomes a large, simplified dice-fest as they massively swing the other way. That might or might not be a good or bad thing depending on what style of game you like. It will be interesting to see what they do with "Necromunda relocated to Armaggedon" because that game potentially does conflict with a fast skirmish game it looks like 40k will become.


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 Tamereth wrote:
The AoSfication of 40k is happening. Everything they are talking about is a port from AoS or a throwback to 2nd edition. I have nothing but trepidation for wants to come.

My biggest fear is that they will curb stomp all over the fluff to justify some stupid stormcast equivalents into the setting.

I think it's really telling that forgeworld are sticking with 7th edition rules. Is this because they didn't want to invalidate all their books, or because they have had a good look at 8th edition and don't want to be onboard for the train wreck to come?

HH may change, the FAQ on this was vague. It stated "for the moment" in the FAQ which is a bit weird. Perhaps there is an internal argument going on that hasn't yet resolved itself. The Forgeworld books are expensive and more collector items and there are a lot of them; I can imagine a lot of people might become rather peeved if they nuke them.

 Tamereth wrote:
The AoSfication of 40k is happening. Everything they are talking about is a port from AoS or a throwback to 2nd edition. I have nothing but trepidation for wants to come.

My biggest fear is that they will curb stomp all over the fluff to justify some stupid stormcast equivalents into the setting.

I think it's really telling that forgeworld are sticking with 7th edition rules. Is this because they didn't want to invalidate all their books, or because they have had a good look at 8th edition and don't want to be onboard for the train wreck to come?

Fair enough to be wary about the future. But, seriously, 7th Ed. is garbage at the moment. The core rules are fine, maybe, but the current army imbalance and rules bloat makes the game unenjoyable.

Hmmm... personally, another Chaos Marines vs Space Marines starter set after two editions of this is a little boring, but... well. If it brings some great sculpts like Lord Kranon in the Dark Vengeance box it can only be a good thing.

 Tamereth wrote:
My biggest fear is that they will curb stomp all over the fluff to justify some stupid stormcast equivalents into the setting.

Surely you're not being serious here?

 Tamereth wrote:
Is this because they didn't want to invalidate all their books, or because they have had a good look at 8th edition and don't want to be onboard for the train wreck to come?

As if they'd have a choice on the matter.

 Crimson wrote:
Ha! I knew the leaked marine pic was not a conversion! Have any of the people who were adamant that it was not genuine because they could do it in ten minutes and shins were obvious sculpted because different colours and whatnot commented yet?.

Not that I've seen.

I don't consider myself a petty individual, but I did seriously consider going back over the old thread and weeding out the worst offenders to be held to account, but most of the discussion was honestly argued and one side just happened to be wrong.

For the snarky gakbags, I'll just enjoy the sweet, sweet vindication.

The fact that the painter is holding that very marine as well is just the cherry on top.

The. Ingest worry I have is FW rules getting updated and posted online for 8th.
This is great news but could be a clusterfek since FW has discontinued so many models it is likely they either don't include the discontinued items or if they do we have a bunch of super powerful impossible to find models. There has been many times I simply didn't purchase a forgeworld model because the book is still on 5th ed rules and then sales have tanked and FW discontinued the model. I really hope that if they update many FW items they reissue them as well and I don't see that happening.

Also the obsolete retailer list ONLY shows codex NOT the campaign or supplement books. So things like traitors hate which contain few to no dataslates are still valid. I suspect most formations, relic lists, warlord traits, and detachments to stay valid.

Well that's pretty much all non terrain 40k plans on hold for a few months at least. I still cant quite believe there making changes substantial enough to invalidate all the codex's after all these years of tweaking and tinkering at the edges. Fingers and toes crossed its for the better.

How FW handle this with there HH line will be interesting. Will they move on to 8th with the next black book and new versions of the red books? If so what about the existing black books, stay as they are or a rerelease to update them to 8th? Or could FW stick with a version of 7th with a HH core rules red book?

I really wish I had Deckard's enhance machine to use on that tabletop picture The "assault marines" do look to have the new curved flight bases, but they also look bigger then usual jump pack guys. With them having a flight stand could they be a new unit?

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Ha! I knew the leaked marine pic was not a conversion! Have any of the people who were adamant that it was not genuine because they could do it in ten minutes and shins were obvious sculpted because different colours and whatnot commented yet?.

Not that I've seen.

I don't consider myself a petty individual, but I did seriously consider going back over the old thread and weeding out the worst offenders to be held to account, but most of the discussion was honestly argued and one side just happened to be wrong.

For the snarky gakbags, I'll just enjoy the sweet, sweet vindication.

Well there was one guy who was adamant that it was ProCreate or similar, using some amazingly intricate arguments to prove his point and refusing to even acknowledge the possibility that it was real... even back then I was sort of rubbing my hands together for when the reveal would come.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

How FW handle this with there HH line will be interesting

the GW FAQ say 30k will stick with 7th edi core rules

How many of you remember 3rd edition? It was brutally streamlined, but by 7th ed they were back to a bloated mess again. I'm very much on the fence about this.

GoatboyBeta wrote:


I really wish I had Deckard's enhance machine to use on that tabletop picture The "assault marines" do look to have the new curved flight bases, but they also look bigger then usual jump pack guys. With them having a flight stand could they be a new unit?

Well as long as they don't try and rename them to something silly like Spaze Mawines

 warpcrafter wrote:
How many of you remember 3rd edition? It was brutally streamlined, but by 7th ed they were back to a bloated mess again. I'm very much on the fence about this.

Yeah, I remember amost 20 years ago.

Not sure what the point you're making is?

 kodos wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

How FW handle this with there HH line will be interesting

the GW FAQ say 30k will stick with 7th edi core rules

It also says 'for now' which could mean anything.

 Whirlwind wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:


I was kidding, you know? Not too big periods of time, though, are more manageable. But you seem to go a few comments behind, so I'll leave the final response for the time you actually catch on with everything, specially the fact that you don't seem to understand that GW works on price brackets. A book is actually more expensive in euros than in pounds in quite a signifiant fashion.That you don't know shows YOU are the one with the weak grasp. And yes, 14+ has had less releases because it's been stagnant in that department. During the previous months to AoS kickstart it had a more intense release schedule, with months even going as far as releasing 2-3 books a month.

Sigh, you are still missing the point. It doesn't matter what the GW price differential between the £ and the Euro is. We are comparing costs across ranges therefore as long as you compare costs in the same currency then the proportional difference is the same regardless of what currency you are in (within about +/-10%) as it depends on what the currency exchange rate was at the time. For example a getting started set for space marines is £50 and Euro65 (a factor increase of 30%) and the Essentials set is £20 to Euro28 (a factor increase of 40%). As such you can quote your prices in Euros and me in £'s but when we talk about price comparisons between ranges but in the same currency then they are roughly the same with only a relatively negligible difference. So to reiterate it doesn't matter what currency you are talking about.

So I'm assuming you work in the GW design studio then to know that it is stagnant? I repeat this is conjecture, all you can do is compare actual facts. Anything else and you are just placing a bias onto the issue.

Give up there is a small sub sect of the AoS fan base who could give scientologists a run for there money. They feel that AoS is perfection and that any faults are a reflection of non believers hate. They feel that all other games should also be like the perfection that is AoS and that any difference is a divergence of the true faith to be shouted down.

 kodos wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

How FW handle this with there HH line will be interesting

the GW FAQ say 30k will stick with 7th edi core rules

It doesn't say that at all it states:-

A few of you might be wondering how the new edition of Warhammer 40,000 affects Forge World’s Horus Heresy rules and army lists. Well, for the moment, it won’t! You can carry on using the existing Warhammer 40,000 ruleset for your Horus Heresy games

Note the bit that says "for the moment" that implies things won't change immediately but that is consideration for it in the future.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 kodos wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

How FW handle this with there HH line will be interesting

the GW FAQ say 30k will stick with 7th edi core rules

It also says 'for now' which could mean anything.

They even manage to make it sound like a threat lol

 warpcrafter wrote:
How many of you remember 3rd edition? It was brutally streamlined, but by 7th ed they were back to a bloated mess again. I'm very much on the fence about this.

3th into 4th was a good time for 40k rules. If we get a few years of good gaming until the bloat hits again I'd be happy with that

LightKing wrote:

 Jambles wrote:
I'm thinking, new starter box will be Ultramarines and Death Guard. There's new fluff of Mortarion attacking Ultramar, the new models are coming out, Roboute just got released...

source to the fluff of Mortarion attacking Ultramar?

I read that in a summary that was posted here on Dakka of the new Hand of Darkness audio dramas.

SeanDrake wrote:

Give up there is a small sub sect of the AoS fan base who could give scientologists a run for there money. They feel that AoS is perfection and that any faults are a reflection of non believers hate. They feel that all other games should also be like the perfection that is AoS and that any difference is a divergence of the true faith to be shouted down.

I'm pretty stubborn I'm afraid when it comes to statements not really based on facts (or some weird interpretation), which is both a curse and a blessing at times.

SeanDrake wrote:

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 Whirlwind wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:


I was kidding, you know? Not too big periods of time, though, are more manageable. But you seem to go a few comments behind, so I'll leave the final response for the time you actually catch on with everything, specially the fact that you don't seem to understand that GW works on price brackets. A book is actually more expensive in euros than in pounds in quite a signifiant fashion.That you don't know shows YOU are the one with the weak grasp. And yes, 14+ has had less releases because it's been stagnant in that department. During the previous months to AoS kickstart it had a more intense release schedule, with months even going as far as releasing 2-3 books a month.

Sigh, you are still missing the point. It doesn't matter what the GW price differential between the £ and the Euro is. We are comparing costs across ranges therefore as long as you compare costs in the same currency then the proportional difference is the same regardless of what currency you are in (within about +/-10%) as it depends on what the currency exchange rate was at the time. For example a getting started set for space marines is £50 and Euro65 (a factor increase of 30%) and the Essentials set is £20 to Euro28 (a factor increase of 40%). As such you can quote your prices in Euros and me in £'s but when we talk about price comparisons between ranges but in the same currency then they are roughly the same with only a relatively negligible difference. So to reiterate it doesn't matter what currency you are talking about.

So I'm assuming you work in the GW design studio then to know that it is stagnant? I repeat this is conjecture, all you can do is compare actual facts. Anything else and you are just placing a bias onto the issue.

Give up there is a small sub sect of the AoS fan base who could give scientologists a run for there money. They feel that AoS is perfection and that any faults are a reflection of non believers hate. They feel that all other games should also be like the perfection that is AoS and that any difference is a divergence of the true faith to be shouted down.

Or maybe they're enjoying playing a game that's undergone a lot of changes in a short space of time, and the problem is with the rabid anti-AOS crowd who seem hell bent on disregarding any and all improvement in their weirdly desperate attempt to tear it down?

I've never so much rolled a single dice in a game of AOS, I've got no dog in this fight, but it strikes me that extreme views in either camp aren't conducive to mature debate and aren't representative of reality from either perspective.

Very happy that they're taking the bloated mess of a ruleset out back and putting a bullet in it. A shame about people's investment in the codices, but it's the only way and we've known a new edition was right around the corner for awhile, and there's no way to kill off the awful morass that 3rd eventually grew into without doing it.

I might be able to actually start playing regularly again!

 Whirlwind wrote:

 kodos wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

How FW handle this with there HH line will be interesting

the GW FAQ say 30k will stick with 7th edi core rules

It doesn't say that at all it states:-

A few of you might be wondering how the new edition of Warhammer 40,000 affects Forge World’s Horus Heresy rules and army lists. Well, for the moment, it won’t! You can carry on using the existing Warhammer 40,000 ruleset for your Horus Heresy games

Note the bit that says "for the moment" that implies things won't change immediately but that is consideration for it in the future.

It'll simply be a volume of work problem. Not enough time to rework and repoint every 40k unit and every 30k unit - so focusing on 40k and getting round to 30k in a year makes perfect sense.

MaxT wrote:

 Whirlwind wrote:

 kodos wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

How FW handle this with there HH line will be interesting

the GW FAQ say 30k will stick with 7th edi core rules

It doesn't say that at all it states:-

A few of you might be wondering how the new edition of Warhammer 40,000 affects Forge World’s Horus Heresy rules and army lists. Well, for the moment, it won’t! You can carry on using the existing Warhammer 40,000 ruleset for your Horus Heresy games

Note the bit that says "for the moment" that implies things won't change immediately but that is consideration for it in the future.

It'll simply be a volume of work problem. Not enough time to rework and repoint every 40k unit and every 30k unit - so focusing on 40k and getting round to 30k in a year makes perfect sense.

it can also mean that FW will bring out their own 30k Core Rule Book (which is what some rumours said a while ago)

 Whirlwind wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:

Give up there is a small sub sect of the AoS fan base who could give scientologists a run for there money. They feel that AoS is perfection and that any faults are a reflection of non believers hate. They feel that all other games should also be like the perfection that is AoS and that any difference is a divergence of the true faith to be shouted down.

I'm pretty stubborn I'm afraid when it comes to statements not really based on facts (or some weird interpretation), which is both a curse and a blessing at times.

Like yours?

Look, you wanna do the same period? Do the period of 7th edition's launch until the 1.75 years mark or whatever you want. That way you're not really doing apples and oranges.

Otherwise I think we don't really have much to say.


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 kodos wrote:

MaxT wrote:

 Whirlwind wrote:

 kodos wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

How FW handle this with there HH line will be interesting

the GW FAQ say 30k will stick with 7th edi core rules

It doesn't say that at all it states:-

A few of you might be wondering how the new edition of Warhammer 40,000 affects Forge World’s Horus Heresy rules and army lists. Well, for the moment, it won’t! You can carry on using the existing Warhammer 40,000 ruleset for your Horus Heresy games

Note the bit that says "for the moment" that implies things won't change immediately but that is consideration for it in the future.

It'll simply be a volume of work problem. Not enough time to rework and repoint every 40k unit and every 30k unit - so focusing on 40k and getting round to 30k in a year makes perfect sense.

it can also mean that FW will bring out their own 30k Core Rule Book (which is what some rumours said a while ago)

Rumors also had plenty of hogwash in them. Me thinks it will just be temporary, which is why they actually delayed fires of cyraxis.

MaxT wrote:


It'll simply be a volume of work problem. Not enough time to rework and repoint every 40k unit and every 30k unit - so focusing on 40k and getting round to 30k in a year makes perfect sense.

Quite possibly, but there are other possibilities too. It could be a hedging of bets thing that *if* a large section of the community do reject the new rules then they may just switch to HH and hence they keep the expenditure. HH could then quietly include aliens and all may be well for GW. Alternatively there could be a massive hand bag fight internally over the issue and this is the way GW are saying we're in round 3 and there are no knockouts yet, please come back later.