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I really don't think there is a good solution to army books and supplements near the end of an edition that actually changes things. People would find themselves annoyed by a dead time of no new books if they made a gap period. Others feel blind sided for buying a release so close to the change.

Orthon wrote:
Whatever the validity of the current ruleset, the current codices that define the "meta" are complete garbage. GW did the right move purging the existing codices and supplements. Burn it with fire.

Bye, Battle Company with hundreds of free points of transports. Compound that with grav spam.
Bye, ridiculously OP Eldar codex.
Bye, OP Tau codex.
Bye, OP Daemon codex and Grimoire Tzeentch rerollable 2++ save shenanigans.

None of this 6th/7th edition garbage will be missed. The game has been stale af for two editions with Eldar, Tau, Daemons, and Space Marines getting unfair advantages in various different forms but being on top pretty much the entire time.

^^^

Also throw in Necrons to boot.

Scatterbikes, D weapons, Decurions, Gladius & Skyhammer, Riptidewing, Screamerstar, etc all have been tremendously negative for this game.

8E will almost certainly bring its own problems, but seeing these things go away is encouraging.

Warhammer community has posted an image on the current state of the galactic map and holly hell, the word tearing a new one's gained a whole dimension of meaning.


This is the same galaxy, but it’s showing some wear and tear. A catastrophic warp storm looks to have rent the Imperium nearly in half. Even before the Fall of Cadia, the immaterium had been growing ever more turbulent. Travel and communication suffered increasing disturbances as the events of the Gathering Storm unfolded. It seems that eventually reality could take no more, and a titanic warp-rift tore across the galaxy from the Eye of Terror to the Hadex Anomaly on the Eastern Fringe. There will be more on this new interstellar feature in the coming days.

While Terra still stands at the heart of Segmentum Solar, and much of the galaxy will be familiar, there are also a few other new arrivals on the map. At a quick glance, you can see the Planet of the Sorcerers, an expanding Necron empire in the galactic east and new warp storms in every segmentum.

All of these developments set up some exciting narratives for the new edition of Warhammer 40,000.

 DarkBlack wrote:


How is Gates of Antares?
Have you given Kings of War a go for your mass battle rank and flank game itch? It plays better than it reads and I would highly recommend it.

Gates of Antares is great (I think it is anyway)! It's based off Bolt Action but with some changes (for example it uses D10s and Bolt Action uses D6s). It feels like 2nd edition 40k in some ways but is less of a fantasy style background (so no elves, psychics etc). All the races apart from a few are developments from humans that evolved or have been engineered. it's well worth looking into especially if you are looking at a 'better' 40k style game that's less bloated and less liable to the fates of dice. Also it's jointly written by Rick Priestley and he always seems to help design decent games (I just don't think GW have the same sort of talent anymore). If you are not keen on the new style 40k it's well worth looking at (and it's massively cheaper to boot).

I have tried KoW and enjoyed it but I think I'm still stuck in the "it isn't Warhammer rutt" . I think it's a bit too streamlined and I did enjoy some of the more whacky elements to WFB. It's the OTT things that really kill WFB in the later editions. Just need something that is somewhere in the middle of the two if you see what I mean.




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 nudibranch wrote:
The "is AoS tactically deep" argument always devolves into a cycle of "yes it is" and "no it isn't" without ever actually going anywhere. I think it's time to move on...

The problem is that it's relative based on the user which is dependent on background, education levels, what the individual skills are and so on. Therefore you are never going to get a straight answer on this one. Depending on how an individuals brain works something that might be tactical to one person is hell for another. What might be tactical for one person might be completely obvious to another. This is probably where the differences lie. A brain wired to understand statistics might not really see the challenge in AoS because for that person they see the synergies easily, hence more complex linking rules will interest that brain more because the statistical permutations are much greater. On the other hand a brain that sees distances easily might not find a game based on this type of strategy interesting because to that person it is obvious, hence it will be more interesting to have games based on numbers (and hence dice rolling) because it is less obvious and challenges them intellectually more.

 streetsamurai wrote:
to be honest, my comment was deliberately provocative since I'm tired of the ridiculous argument that everyone who doesn't like AOS hasn't played it.

This is a violation of Rule #1. If you're tired of hearing something here on Dakka Dakka, maybe get out of the house and go to a park or something.

 Bottle wrote:
@Gimgamgoo
This is something WHFB never had, instead armies would be stuck with the same points values for years and even across editions. I like the new system much better.

That's not quite true - in the earlier editions they did produce FAQs and even sections to print out or copy out of WD so you could stick them into your army book to update them. The real issue is when GW stopped issuing updates of any use and wouldn't look at balancing things when they needed to. It's just GW have now gone back to provided FAQs. It was a policy decision to stop providing updates. All they have gone back to doing is providing the same thing as they did several editions previously.

Lord Kragan wrote:
Warhammer community has posted an image on the current state of the galactic map and holly hell, the word tearing a new one's gained a whole dimension of meaning.

Imperium Nihilus? Looks like the BA are gonna be in trouble

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
Warhammer community has posted an image on the current state of the galactic map and holly hell, the word tearing a new one's gained a whole dimension of meaning.

Imperium Nihilus? Looks like the BA are gonna be in trouble

Yeah looking at that map Blood angels are going to be in trouble big time.

That map is pretty scary.

Wow, thinks sure move around a lot after whatever warp nonsense is going on.

Well, if the Tau were having a hard fight before, now they are completely surrounded by very bad things. Every sentient race in the galaxy seems to be in deep gak right now. (Not sure how Nids feel about this tear in the galaxy)

 joseph_curwen wrote:


40k started as an expansion of the already existing WFB and it's still here, 30 years later (and, let's face it, the rules for both had always been more similar than different.)

Not really. 40k was always a skirmish game from the Rogue Trader days but WFB started as more of a roleplaying game that morphed into a mass battle game. RP used the same basic principles but once had separated they were two completely independent styles that played differently.

By the time they became main stream they were completely different beasts. If 40k does go down the route of using the same core rules (which I understand why) then they will in effect be the same game just with different 'skins'. There are reasons that wargaming companies produce different types of games is because they appeal to different types of gamers. If both the main games are the same then you can find that one might cannibalise off the other if you assume that most people have approximately fixed annual amount of money they can spend on such luxuries. Hence if Bob has £1000 per year to spend then he has to choose between the two games. What you really want is to attract a different type of gamer to your other games as that expands your player base and supports both systems. Companies generally spend a lot of time ensuring that they don't design things that will cannibalise their own sales from elsewhere as that just doubles your overheads but only attracts the same customer.


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GoatboyBeta wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
Warhammer community has posted an image on the current state of the galactic map and holly hell, the word tearing a new one's gained a whole dimension of meaning.

Imperium Nihilus? Looks like the BA are gonna be in trouble

I think they were in trouble after the end of their campaign book. Interesting there are no craftworlds mentioned.

Orthon wrote:

Bye, Battle Company with hundreds of free points of transports. Compound that with grav spam.
Bye, ridiculously OP Eldar codex.
Bye, OP Tau codex.
Bye, OP Daemon codex and Grimoire Tzeentch rerollable 2++ save shenanigans.

you really think that bad balancing and "we write rules because they sound cool" is gone?

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
Warhammer community has posted an image on the current state of the galactic map and holly hell, the word tearing a new one's gained a whole dimension of meaning.

Imperium Nihilus? Looks like the BA are gonna be in trouble

What's Imperium Nihilus?

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
Well, if the Tau were having a hard fight before, now they are completely surrounded by very bad things. Every sentient race in the galaxy seems to be in deep gak right now. (Not sure how Nids would geel about this tear in the galaxy)

Orks must be having fun. Its basically a giant summer vacation in the milky way for them

 Not-not-kenny wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
Warhammer community has posted an image on the current state of the galactic map and holly hell, the word tearing a new one's gained a whole dimension of meaning.

Imperium Nihilus? Looks like the BA are gonna be in trouble

What's Imperium Nihilus?

the old traditional Imperium which is now separated from the new shiny Imperium

Really interesting development. This map... nice! Exactly what I had hoped for when they (reliable rumor sources and GW) mentioned 40k will focus more on story progression. It allows for some entirely new campaign scenarios. Two Imperiums?

Oh interesting. There might be the good, good shiny knights in new armour guys and the good, grimdark, grumpy guys from Terra. Very interesting!

So the Imperium is now split in two? Very interesting! Are they antagonistic to each other?

 kodos wrote:
the old traditional Imperium which is now separated from the new shiny Imperium

If this what they are doing, I'm kind of surprised they stuck Guilliman on Terra rather than having him be at Ultramar and using warp storms as a reason to separate off that part of the galaxy. That way they could have the old Imperium set in its superstitions and crazy traditional bureaucracy while having Guilliman start doing his "being reasonable" nonsense in semi-isolation.

I can see why they might want to have him on Terra so the entrenched bureaucracy can serve as a counter to him that keeps things from changing too fast while out in the Imperium Nihilus all different kinds of crazy can being going down.

I'm excited to see what they say tomorrow.

 kodos wrote:

 Not-not-kenny wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
Warhammer community has posted an image on the current state of the galactic map and holly hell, the word tearing a new one's gained a whole dimension of meaning.

Imperium Nihilus? Looks like the BA are gonna be in trouble

What's Imperium Nihilus?

the old traditional Imperium which is now separated from the new shiny Imperium

Not quite.
Nihil means "nothing" in latin, so Nihilus in this sense probably means something like "former" or "lost". In other words, its the imperium that's been separated by that gaping scar in reality. They are really trying to mimic the Roman Empire, it seems, with two Imperiums, although in this cause it was not a desired outcome by the Imperium.
We might see an expansion of Imperium Nihilus down the line; being separated from the main imperium is bound to have created some variance.

As someone with a physics degree, masters ongoing, a job based on software test and statistical analysis, please take that chip on your shoulder Whirlwind and insert it somewhere painful. It's absolutely nothing to do with intelligence and background. Although I'm glad it doesn't appeal to you, as you seem like a conceited ass and I can imagine nothing worse than bumping into you in a tournament.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 Not-not-kenny wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
Warhammer community has posted an image on the current state of the galactic map and holly hell, the word tearing a new one's gained a whole dimension of meaning.

Imperium Nihilus? Looks like the BA are gonna be in trouble

What's Imperium Nihilus?

the old traditional Imperium which is now separate d from the new shiny Imperium

Not quite.
Nihil means "nothing" in latin, so Nihilus in this sense probably means something like "former" or "lost". In other words, its the imperium that's been separated by that gaping scar in reality. They are really trying to mimic the Roman Empire, it seems, with two Imperiums, although in this cause it was not a desired outcome by the Imperium.
We might see an expansion of Imperium Nihilus down the line; being separated from the main imperium is bound to have created some variance.

Imperium nihlus is where the original armies "The Lost" so to speak will be kept to not sully the new progression and armies.

So it's not an already established piece of fluff, like the Imperium Secundus?

If Terra and Macragge were on different sides of the giant chaos rift, it could have been a forceful 40k recreation of the Roman Empire Division into Western and Eastern Empires.

EDIT: So Cicatrix is an actual word and means "A Scar of a Healed Wound".

Wanna bet that that huge rift actually existed sometime in the past before someone metamorphically sewn it shut?

I was just about to say that it's just the Roman Empire after Diocletian! Beat me to the punch!

 Not-not-kenny wrote:
So it's not an already established piece of fluff, like the Imperium Secundus?

Imperium Secundus never actually happened, despite the book of that name.

It was a plan to make Sanguinius Nu-Emperor and such, but Curze/the Lion/lots of Perptuals happened, Abnett kinda stopped writing Heresy books and we all know how the story ends for Sanguinius anyhow.

Didn't even notice the split Imperium. Nice catch. Where does it say the Imperium Nihilus thing?

It's funny, many of the 40k podcasts I listen to come out every-other week and they many of them already released an episode week. If they already have their next show in the hopper it might end up being a boring month of podcasts for me.

I'm glad GW is going to be releasing new info every day. I just need to keep from getting too hyped as that leads to disappointment even if the game company does a good job.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Didn't even notice the split Imperium. Nice catch. Where does it say the Imperium Nihilus thing?

Look along the top of the map, from the top right of Cadia and the Eye Of Terror right out to the Eastern Fringe. It's obscured by the warp storms though.