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 DynamicCalories wrote:
"Everybody can hurt everybody else in the game."

I am sure that will annoy some people.

Groan.

DjPyro3 wrote:
Not sure how I feel about Las-Guns being able to harm a Leman Russ, no matter how hard it is.

I'm not. Hard to kill tanks will probably have like 16+ wounds and a good save, you can see in AoS that monsters that are supposed to be tough take a lot of focus to go down.

 DynamicCalories wrote:
"Everybody can hurt everybody else in the game."

I am sure that will annoy some people.

Oh this'll make for some... interesting reactions. we're going AoS baby! No fixed hit/wound though.

14 Force Org Charts! Many different ways to build armies!

Requizen wrote:

DjPyro3 wrote:
Not sure how I feel about Las-Guns being able to harm a Leman Russ, no matter how hard it is.

I'm not. Hard to kill tanks will probably have like 16+ wounds and a good save, you can see in AoS that monsters that are supposed to be tough take a lot of focus to go down.

Same.

They just said something about all the various warzone rules(Cityfight, Planetstrike, etc) being in at start.

Also Force Org Charts. Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Lowering profiles on tanks is interesting, will be intrigued to see if the more damaged they are (more holes are in the side) the tank is easier to kill from weapons with a lower profile.

However in general if they are T8 with over ten wounds, I'll invite my opponents Guard to shoot at them all day.

DjPyro3 wrote:
Not sure how I feel about Las-Guns being able to harm a Leman Russ, no matter how hard it is.

It's going to be a side effect of adopting the fixed to hit/wound system in AOS. Which they haven't said they're doing, but, lets be honest, it isn't obviously where this is going.

I think it brings more positives than negatives, and when this was debated recently, someone calculated that, with modest stats, it would take 100s of lasgun shots to take down something decently tough.

Good god. 14 Force Org charts will be available at the start. Each will give different command points, which will give you different abilities in the main rule book.

 Mymearan wrote:

 DynamicCalories wrote:
"Everybody can hurt everybody else in the game."

I am sure that will annoy some people.

Oh this'll make for some... interesting reactions. we're going AoS baby! No fixed hit/wound though.

Did they actually say that?

Because that's basically how AoS works with fixed hit/wound.

Command points allow you to interrupt your opponents turn with your own units! Very interesting.

Requizen wrote:
14 Force Org Charts! Many different ways to build armies!

We're going for a simplified streamlined game... oh with 14 Force Org Charts.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

 DynamicCalories wrote:
"Everybody can hurt everybody else in the game."

I am sure that will annoy some people.

Oh this'll make for some... interesting reactions. we're going AoS baby! No fixed hit/wound though.

Did they actually say that?

Because that's basically how AoS works with fixed hit/wound.

They talked about Strenght/Toughness so yeah not fixed.

Combat will NOT work exactly as in AOS. Instead of going I go you go the attacking player will make ALL its attacks with ALL units before the other has time to react or uses command points.

The Force Organisation chart will still exist in Narrative and Matched.

However there are now different 14 Force Org Charts. Filling these in will give you command points that can be spent on things like dice re-rolls, interrupting the traditional sequence of charges in the combat phase.

These are generic, like AoS's abilities and spells, but codexes will bring in specific options for each army.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Lowering profiles on tanks is interesting, will be intrigued to see if the more damaged they are (more holes are in the side) the tank is easier to kill from weapons with a lower profile.

However in general if they are T8 with over ten wounds, I'll invite my opponents Guard to shoot at them all day.

That's assuming Toughness values are going to remain.

Via the live stream:
All Adepticon leaks confirmed - movement changes, initiative etc etc.

No more vehicle armor values - all models use same stat lines.
Vehicles have damage tables -> when they take dmg stats of them decrease.
Tailored for each vehicle.
Vehicles have S and T "everyone can hurt everyone else".

Each army will keep their current playstyles.

Still a d6 system.

1500 point game = 90 minutes approx from playtesting.

Narrative play fully supported. Campaigns, warzones, worlds etc.
Cityfight, planetstrike "will have a home".

Every current model + scenery all supported in 8th.

Command points: battleforged + force org chart still in.
14 force org charts to be released.
If fulfilled you generate command points.
Rerolls, interrupts of enemy charges if command point spent.
Certain amount of CPs per org charts.
Each army codex will get unique CPs.

Codexes will be in 8th - updated and new rules.

At last! Something that allows for interaction in the off turn!

Going to edit this post as new info comes out:

watching the live feed. Their will be 14 different forge org charts in the book, each giving diff number of command points. CP can be used for stuff like re-roll dice, another example was to be able to interrupt who goes 1st in CC. Their are generic ones in the book, but army specif ones will be added.

You can only use one per phase.

All match play armies need to be "battle forged" and use a FOC.

Edit: Templates are on the way out like in AoS.

Note: I missed the start of the stream. Comeing in was the tail end of everything being able to hurt everything and tanks not getting popped in 1st turn. Sounds like Tanks will be toughness based.

But it sounds like all the things they talked about as comeing changes awhile back is correct. Some people suspected it was a early april fools, since all the mentioned rules were rules in shadow wars. Witch went of pre-order april 1st. So they thought the joke was shadow wars was the "new edition" they were talking about.

Lord Kragan wrote:
Combat will NOT work exactly as in AOS. Instead of going I go you go the attacking player will make ALL its attacks with ALL units before the other has time to react or uses command points.

They stated charges will get priority but command points can be spent to interrupt that sequence.

Templates are going away!

Templates join the dodo.

Templates are GONE. They're DEAD.

I think other people are doing this better than myself so I'll let them carry on!

Requizen wrote:
Templates are GONE. They're DEAD.

And there was no rejoicing!

 Kanluwen wrote:

That's assuming Toughness values are going to remain.

True.. but I've never been against the AoS rules system.. just some lore changes.

Templates are gone "template free edition".

1 CP spend per phase.
Different force org charts give different # of CPs.

8th ed has been beta tested " a lot in the US". Reece from FLG has done some as have adepticon organisers.

Wait, you guys from frontline gaming knew this!?

 DynamicCalories wrote:
"Everybody can hurt everybody else in the game."

I am sure that will annoy some people.

LoL so a carbon copy of AoS, someone needs to ask how stormcast fare against marines.
Any interest in 8th just vanished in a cloud of meh, saves me watching the rest.

Adepticon and Nova teams have been playtesting every single unit and core rules
"Most playtested game by a mile"

Dev Team says this is the most play-tested version of the game ever. Slightly worrisome