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 Gamgee wrote:
Honestly these rules seem very finalized to me other than them tweaking the values. I would expect release any month now. As a person who has tested numerous beta games on pc (before it became a lame early access fest).

I expect the core rules to be pretty much done. The thing is the rules for the hundreds of different units in the game.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Looking at the stats, I'm wondering if some of the baselines have also changed. A Space Marine with Ld7 would seem downright heretical to most people,

it had always been 7, just the sergeant made the troop having 8, until they later removed (they forgot about one edi earlier) the rule that the unit leader improves the LD and just added a plain LD8 to marines

as far as i remember Marines have always been 8 and were 9 with a unit leader, guardsmen were always 7 with an 8 sergeant.

Space Marines had LD8 in the original Rogue Trader - looking at my copy right now

That means a lot of info coming out over the next 40/50 days. As they have said, they will be posting information regarding the new edition daily.

There's been nothing mentioned about all armour save's being capped on a single d6 has there? If for example Terminators and Land raiders took there save on 2d6 you would need something with a high save modifier to reliably take them out.

Weapon stats tomorrow I think they said

Maybe power armour ignores -1 rend, Terminator -2 etc

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Looking at the stats, I'm wondering if some of the baselines have also changed. A Space Marine with Ld7 would seem downright heretical to most people,

it had always been 7, just the sergeant made the troop having 8, until they later removed (they forgot about one edi earlier) the rule that the unit leader improves the LD and just added a plain LD8 to marines

as far as i remember Marines have always been 8 and were 9 with a unit leader, guardsmen were always 7 with an 8 sergeant.

Space Marines had LD8 in the original Rogue Trader - looking at my copy right now

thats what I had thought, thanks!

 nintura wrote:
Remember guys, games are supposed to be around 90 minutes. That means stuff is going to die quick and often. Get used to it.

Thats not entirely true, they said 1500pts took ~90 minutes, furthermore, rarely is tabling your opponent the objective of most missions. A well written system could take an hour without everything dying.

Time to invest in some wound counters then! anyone know of any good sites selling em?

The only thing I would expect to not be done at this point. Assuming a June 7th date for Pre-release. Is typeset, artwork setting and sending to the printers. I would expect the point they announced it was coming out was probably the same day they sent it to printers for first layout print check.


Remember, there is always a period of time you send to printers, Get box sets ready at distributors and fire off the run. It takes about a month and a half to get all of that done.

I haven't yet heard anyone say: Vehicles have Leadership now. Maybe they're still Fearless, but could this make them more vulnerable to Psychics and other attacks against Leadership?

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 axisofentropy wrote:
How much time passed between Age of Sigmar's official announcement and release?

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oh the new books are certainly in shipping crates right now, even if release is later in June. Nothing's gonna change.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Looking at the stats, I'm wondering if some of the baselines have also changed. A Space Marine with Ld7 would seem downright heretical to most people,

Probably Space Marine Captain has a rule "all units get +1 to Leadership" or something similar. That'd be good, gives some impression that the Captain is really leading the army instead of just being a Melee monster.

 Latro_ wrote:
Time to invest in some wound counters then! anyone know of any good sites selling em?

i wouldn't get carried away, you have no idea how wound allocation works. That is something that changes every edition. I am hoping you put wounds on a model until it dies which cuts down on the need for a thousand counters.

 axisofentropy wrote:
I haven't yet heard anyone say: Vehicles have Leadership now. Maybe they're still Fearless, but could this make them more vulnerable to Psychics and other attacks against Leadership?

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 axisofentropy wrote:
How much time passed between Age of Sigmar's official announcement and release?

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oh the new books are certainly in shipping crates right now, even if release is later in June. Nothing's gonna change.

Yeap assuming a June release they have to be finalized the unit stats. On the last signals from the frontline they discussed how they were still under an nda, but at the same time it seems like the testing phase is over since they are allowed to at least say they did it. There is a huge amount of lead in time to printing and shipping books. I'm agreeing with you if that's not obvious. Just explaining things for others who might not know.

 Mr Morden wrote:


Space Marines had LD8 in the original Rogue Trader - looking at my copy right now

That doesn't really matter because of how the AoS bravery system actually works.


Marine squad has 5 guys in it. They take 3 deaths in that turn. You roll 1d6+3. If you roll a 5+3 you remove 1 more guy, If you roll a 9+ you remove both of the rest of the guys. So, assuming your marine squad is 10 guys. You lose 5 guys. 1d6+5 and roll a 6+5. 11 - 7 = 4 more casualties. So, the leadership cannot be extremely high per say.

A dreadnought having a leadership will only really have an effect if something else affects leadership. As 1 dreadnought losing 1 dreadnought doesn't cause the thin air to roll a leadership test.

 Latro_ wrote:
Time to invest in some wound counters then! anyone know of any good sites selling em?

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Citadel-Wound-Trackers aka D10's

Youn wrote:
The only thing I would expect to not be done at this point. Assuming a June 7th date for Pre-release. Is typeset, artwork setting and sending to the printers. I would expect the point they announced it was coming out was probably the same day they sent it to printers for first layout print check.


Remember, there is always a period of time you send to printers, Get box sets ready at distributors and fire off the run. It takes about a month and a half to get all of that done.

There was rumor or leak if a I recall of an events itinerary which had how to paint death guard listed as a seminar at the end of May. My bet is the starter includes the numarines as well a death guard and that the whole hog is released in early to mid May. AoS didn't have a split release between BRB and starter after all and I doubt this will. I am guessing everything is done at this point.

Backfire wrote:


Probably Space Marine Captain has a rule "all units get +1 to Leadership" or something similar. That'd be good, gives some impression that the Captain is really leading the army instead of just being a Melee monster.

I would expect the Space Marine Captain has a COMMAND ABILITY called Inspiring presence. That says, one unit within 12" of the captain may ignore battle shock that turn.

Youn wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:


Space Marines had LD8 in the original Rogue Trader - looking at my copy right now

That doesn't really matter because of how the AoS bravery system actually works.


Marine squad has 5 guys in it. They take 3 deaths in that turn. You roll 1d6+3. If you roll a 8 you remove 1 more guy, If you roll a 9+ you remove both of the rest of the guys. So, assuming your marine squad is 10 guys. You lose 5 guys. 1d6+5 and roll a 8. 13 - 7 = 5 more casualties. So, the leadership cannot be extremely high per say.

A dreadnought having a leadership will only really have an effect if something else affects leadership. As 1 dreadnought losing 1 dreadnought doesn't cause the thin air to roll a leadership test.

How the hell did you roll an 8 on a d6?

Backfire wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Looking at the stats, I'm wondering if some of the baselines have also changed. A Space Marine with Ld7 would seem downright heretical to most people,

Probably Space Marine Captain has a rule "all units get +1 to Leadership" or something similar. That'd be good, gives some impression that the Captain is really leading the army instead of just being a Melee monster.

Would also be neat to see something like this implemented with the Imperial Guard, or dare I say, via vox casters, like back in the old days.

Youn wrote:

How the hell did you roll an 8 on a d6?

Oops... yeah,

I wonder if, since it seems like we're keeping the 40k statlines, if strength will correlate in some way with damage.

While this is a cool sneak-peak at the stats, I'd like to see the full dataslate for Space Marines before really making any final judgments.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
Time to invest in some wound counters then! anyone know of any good sites selling em?

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Citadel-Wound-Trackers aka D10's

I have plenty of those lying around from the Deathwatch rpg days. I'm all set.

 necrontyrOG wrote:
Psychic phase is still in according to GW.

Yes, but in what form...please just let me pick my spells...

Daedalus81 wrote:

 necrontyrOG wrote:
Psychic phase is still in according to GW.

Yes, but in what form...please just let me pick my spells...

In the new AoS stuff they usually let you pick or roll at your discretion. I don't play any armies with spells though so I could be wrong. In the KO book though for warlord traits and stuff like that it says pick or roll. So I would assume it's the same way.

 Red Corsair wrote:

How the hell did you roll an 8 on a d6?

Chuck Norris always rolls an 8 on a D6

Love the unit profiles. AV was a mechanic that had to go and for those that haven't played AoS weapons have multi wound damage profiles and rend so stuff dies easy plus monsters get weaker and is very balanced in play. These are great changes.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Looking at the stats, I'm wondering if some of the baselines have also changed. A Space Marine with Ld7 would seem downright heretical to most people,

it had always been 7, just the sergeant made the troop having 8, until they later removed (they forgot about one edi earlier) the rule that the unit leader improves the LD and just added a plain LD8 to marines

as far as i remember Marines have always been 8 and were 9 with a unit leader, guardsmen were always 7 with an 8 sergeant.

Space Marines had LD8 in the original Rogue Trader - looking at my copy right now

Need to look were my 2nd Edi books are
was sure they had 7, same as scouts

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Looking at the stats, I'm wondering if some of the baselines have also changed. A Space Marine with Ld7 would seem downright heretical to most people,

it had always been 7, just the sergeant made the troop having 8, until they later removed (they forgot about one edi earlier) the rule that the unit leader improves the LD and just added a plain LD8 to marines

as far as i remember Marines have always been 8 and were 9 with a unit leader, guardsmen were always 7 with an 8 sergeant.

Space Marines had LD8 in the original Rogue Trader - looking at my copy right now

And Toughness 3 until it was bumped up in a WD sometime later.

 kodos wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Looking at the stats, I'm wondering if some of the baselines have also changed. A Space Marine with Ld7 would seem downright heretical to most people,

it had always been 7, just the sergeant made the troop having 8, until they later removed (they forgot about one edi earlier) the rule that the unit leader improves the LD and just added a plain LD8 to marines

as far as i remember Marines have always been 8 and were 9 with a unit leader, guardsmen were always 7 with an 8 sergeant.

Space Marines had LD8 in the original Rogue Trader - looking at my copy right now

Need to look were my 2nd Edi books are
was sure they had 7, same as scouts

No, they always had 8.

But the really importent question is: will people who bought this in the last 8 weeks get the voucher?

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
Time to invest in some wound counters then! anyone know of any good sites selling em?

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Citadel-Wound-Trackers aka D10's

Chessex, crystal caste, Q Workshop, koplow, GameScience, FFG, 3"x5" index cards, gem stones like MtG used to use, aquarium rocks, pennies, old codecies, etc.