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Oh, by the Emperor, so it is true...
Why on Earth did GW think that the Space Marines, the wonderful soldiers made by a (almost) living god, the best soldiers in the galaxy, were not enough and 40k needed super super soldiers ?
That is stupid, even in the fluff...
Fabius had 10k years to do it, it was HIS thing and never truly managed to do it,.
And now we have, them, better than the Emperor's work.

I'm hoping they'll be like Adeptus Custodes in how they work, but for every chapter a small cadre? They showed Space Wolves, so maybe they'll be sending these guys out to bolster as many chapters as possible.

 godardc wrote:
Oh, by the Emperor, so it is true...
Why on Earth did GW think that the Space Marines, the wonderful soldiers made by a (almost) living god, the best soldiers in the galaxy, were not enough and 40k needed super super soldiers ?
That is stupid, even in the fluff...
Fabius had 10k years to do it, it was HIS thing and never truly managed to do it,.
And now we have, them, better than the Emperor's work.

Well, Thunder Warriors were the first attempt, and Marines were the next step (or maybe an offshoot of the Primarch or Custodes development,) so there's fairly clear evidence that it was an ongoing process rather than a finished idea.

It is distinctly possible that the Emperor has had this idea in his head for 10k years, but the Heresy and Webway project all took priority, then he became a professional vegetable.

With RG's return, he had someone he trusted to carry on, and explained the process to him during their meeting.

new faction.... when its just the old one with bigger models... yeah okay

So... Warhammer 40k II: The Clone Wars!

 godardc wrote:
Oh, by the Emperor, so it is true...
Why on Earth did GW think that the Space Marines, the wonderful soldiers made by a (almost) living god, the best soldiers in the galaxy, were not enough and 40k needed super super soldiers ?
That is stupid, even in the fluff...
Fabius had 10k years to do it, it was HIS thing and never truly managed to do it,.
And now we have, them, better than the Emperor's work.

My feelings as well. Turning things up to 11 just to be x-treme!

Space marines were already over the top, What do nu-marines bring to the table that’s not already covered thematically by marine veterans? I felt the same way about Cent suits when they came out. The whole thing is unnecessary, with the exception of giving us a new thing to buy.

Which is, of course, why they do this to us every edition. They’ve already got models out for all the core marine things, so they need to invent new stuff from scratch.

Fabius, the Raven Guard...
Noone never succeeded. In 10 thousand years. Even before the Heresy, when they tried to do Space Marines faster (is this still part of the fluff, it is quite old now) they had flaws
But yes, curious to know how they will explain this.

Does anyone know the soundtrack's name? I think it's from one of their videogames.

Standing on the shoulders of giants is how progress is made. Cawl didn't invent this from the ground up. He just improved a bit based on the work The Emperor had done.

So, who's gonna be using derpy mini marines with their sub par rules rather than numarines? No proxies? No 8th ed version of my old army? Just alwaysbeentoosmall marines?

If you say so...;p

 godardc wrote:
Fabius, the Raven Guard...
Noone never succeeded. In 10 thousand years. Even before the Heresy, when they tried to do Space Marines faster (is this still part of the fluff, it is quite old now) they had flaws
But yes, curious to know how they will explain this.

Fabius is looking to cure himself, and the Alpha Legion fiddled around with the RG.

Yeahhhhh that video is basically badass.

Nice, new faction incoming, they were ever going to be Ultramarine only, that would limit sales right from the off !

Bit of a hint that the new geneseed might help cure Chapters of their hindrances, like the curse of the Wulfen or the Black rage? Or just a line to say "it's OK you all get new toys simmer down"?

Glad to see GW isn't trying to do anything new... this is like starwars The Force Awakens.

Let's just rehash the old story to a new crowd! I don't see how all this gak happened literally in M41.999

So pretty much storm cast but in 40k?

I'll call it now, new name will be Indomitable Eternals.

Stormcast are the Marines of AoS.

How can be this new marines the Stormcast of 40k? Space Marines are already the Stormcast of AoS

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Bit of a hint that the new geneseed might help cure Chapters of their hindrances, like the curse of the Wulfen or the Black rage? Or just a line to say "it's OK you all get new toys simmer down"?

So would this mean all chapters lose all their special traits. That all SM have the exact same rules, you just paint and model them differently?

Inb4 someone STILL tries to claim the pics are fake, it's just a rumour, etc. etc.

*snikt*

Let them try...

I'd love to a fly on the wall when these NuMarines(indomitus Marines?) roll up at a chapter's fortress monastery unannounced wearing there colours. Especially if its the Wolves or Dark angelss Of course the inclusion of the Space wolves in the trailer does raise questions about the canis helix.

Maybe they're dusting off the recipe for Thunder Warriors? It could be the kind of thing they do out of desperation that ends up being a terrible mistake in the end.

 godardc wrote:
Oh, by the Emperor, so it is true...
Why on Earth did GW think that the Space Marines, the wonderful soldiers made by a (almost) living god, the best soldiers in the galaxy, were not enough and 40k needed super super soldiers ?
That is stupid, even in the fluff...
Fabius had 10k years to do it, it was HIS thing and never truly managed to do it,.
And now we have, them, better than the Emperor's work.

It's utterly absurd. Games Workshop have been making great buisness and community-related decisions since the new change in management, but something like this suggests they really don't understand (or just don't care) about their own setting anymore. Bringing Roboute back was bad enough but this is even worse. The whole point of W40K and the Imperium is that things are bad and aren't really going to get any better, the Imperium fighting a losing battle but still deseperately holding on and acts of heroism by ordinary people (even Space Marines) turning the tide against all odds and the Imperium pressing on despite looses was the entire point of them. There was no hope, and there should not have been any because that is not what the W40K setting is about. Those Space Marine chapters and the Imperium as a whole are fighting a losing battle but won't give up, that was a core theme of the setting. To Suddenly have Super Superhuman soldiers appear out of nowhere to solve everything, fix all the problems and give hope in a hopeless setting just come across as not understanding what it's supposed to be about, or not caring enough to keep that theme.

It's taking away both the biggest downside to the Imperium and their biggest positive aspect; the refusal to accept defeat and how they'd just keep going. It's like they want to change the Imperium from the Dark, depressing place it is supposed to be to "These are the good guys now, we can't have them losing". The Imperium having hope to this degree not a good thing in the slightest.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Bit of a hint that the new geneseed might help cure Chapters of their hindrances, like the curse of the Wulfen or the Black rage? Or just a line to say "it's OK you all get new toys simmer down"?

Rebirth and Reinforcements probably means that the new marines are being bred with the geneseed stored in the banks on Mars given as tithe from the SM. Even completely destroyed chapters can be rebuild this way if enough gene material is present and I guess big G is giving helping some way.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
The whole point of W40K and the Imperium is that things are bad and aren't really going to get any better, the Imperium fighting a losing battle but still deseperately holding on and acts of heroism by ordinary people (even Space Marines) turning the tide against all odds and the Imperium pressing on despite looses was the entire point of them. There was no hope, and there should not have been any because that is not what the W40K setting is about. Those Space Marine chapters and the Imperium as a whole are fighting a losing battle but won't give up, that was a core theme of the setting.

It was the point...

Perhaps all this talk of "hope" is just part of the futility. After all, hope is the first stepon the road to disappointment.

 Nevelon wrote:

 godardc wrote:
Oh, by the Emperor, so it is true...
Why on Earth did GW think that the Space Marines, the wonderful soldiers made by a (almost) living god, the best soldiers in the galaxy, were not enough and 40k needed super super soldiers ?
That is stupid, even in the fluff...
Fabius had 10k years to do it, it was HIS thing and never truly managed to do it,.
And now we have, them, better than the Emperor's work.

My feelings as well. Turning things up to 11 just to be x-treme!

Space marines were already over the top, What do nu-marines bring to the table that’s not already covered thematically by marine veterans? I felt the same way about Cent suits when they came out. The whole thing is unnecessary, with the exception of giving us a new thing to buy.

Which is, of course, why they do this to us every edition. They’ve already got models out for all the core marine things, so they need to invent new stuff from scratch.

Yeah but in this case the new thing to buy is not a new unit but a new army for the most popular faction in the game.

Yeah I really hope this bites them in the ass as bad as the AoS launch as it's the most blatant money grab I have seen even from GW let alone other games company's.

I have credit from rule book refunds which is now going on 30k stuff rather than the new 40k stuff.

 Ssgt Carl wrote:
Perhaps all this talk of "hope" is just part of the futility. After all, hope is the first stepon the road to disappointment.

GW probably realizes their most successful storyline was the great crusade and horus heresy. Look at FW, they're able to make like 300 different versions of basically the same two models (tactical marines and contemptor dreadnoughts) and people buy them like crazy.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 godardc wrote:
Oh, by the Emperor, so it is true...
Why on Earth did GW think that the Space Marines, the wonderful soldiers made by a (almost) living god, the best soldiers in the galaxy, were not enough and 40k needed super super soldiers ?
That is stupid, even in the fluff...
Fabius had 10k years to do it, it was HIS thing and never truly managed to do it,.
And now we have, them, better than the Emperor's work.

Well, Thunder Warriors were the first attempt, and Marines were the next step (or maybe an offshoot of the Primarch or Custodes development,) so there's fairly clear evidence that it was an ongoing process rather than a finished idea.

It is distinctly possible that the Emperor has had this idea in his head for 10k years, but the Heresy and Webway project all took priority, then he became a professional vegetable.

With RG's return, he had someone he trusted to carry on, and explained the process to him during their meeting.

I agree, it seems pretty in-line with the fluff to me. I'd really like it if the nu-marines were actually veteran space marines who got an upgrade rather than fresh recruits. This would also provide a convenient way to maintain the flaws/quirks of certain chapters' gene seed (SW, BA, etc).

SeanDrake wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

 godardc wrote:
Oh, by the Emperor, so it is true...
Why on Earth did GW think that the Space Marines, the wonderful soldiers made by a (almost) living god, the best soldiers in the galaxy, were not enough and 40k needed super super soldiers ?
That is stupid, even in the fluff...
Fabius had 10k years to do it, it was HIS thing and never truly managed to do it,.
And now we have, them, better than the Emperor's work.

My feelings as well. Turning things up to 11 just to be x-treme!

Space marines were already over the top, What do nu-marines bring to the table that’s not already covered thematically by marine veterans? I felt the same way about Cent suits when they came out. The whole thing is unnecessary, with the exception of giving us a new thing to buy.

Which is, of course, why they do this to us every edition. They’ve already got models out for all the core marine things, so they need to invent new stuff from scratch.

Yeah but in this case the new thing to buy is not a new unit but a new army for the most popular faction in the game.

Yeah I really hope this bites them in the ass as bad as the AoS launch as it's the most blatant money grab I have seen even from GW let alone other games company's.

I have credit from rule book refunds which is now going on 30k stuff rather than the new 40k stuff.

What i find the most disappointing about this is that they're trying to pass it off as a positive thing. All this talk of "We're the new games workshop!" and then to do this, both from a lore and a business standpoint, comes across as a bit of a slap in the face. Not quite to the same degree as Age of Sigmar throwing out all the WHF lore, but it's along the same sort of lines.

This is just a first impression obviously, maybe it'll all go wrong and turn out badly, but i don't really see that happening when they're being released to make more money from people buying a new faction that's also a better version of what they already have.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
I'd love to a fly on the wall when these NuMarines(indomitus Marines?) roll up at a chapter's fortress monastery unannounced wearing there colours. Especially if its the Wolves or Dark angelss Of course the inclusion of the Space wolves in the trailer does raise questions about the canis helix.

My thoughts exactly, RG will unilaterally declare his NuMarines the solution to other chapters problems who will refuse it because they have loyalty to their own primarchs. This is just going to build tensions so you can justify marines killing marines again is my guess. I mean we have the old chapters ALL cut off by the warp, check, now one dictator and hypocrite of a primarch with massive hubris returns and declares he can cure them all.... Yea, like this will go over well.