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gianlucafiorentini123 wrote: ...I really can't see the DUP gaining much from this, some voters of SF will be put off by the parties stance on abortion but this has happened before and most will either end up going back to SF or else start to follow independent republican politicians.
It's important to remember that there has been nothing to back up these claims by the DUP, who as the RHI scandal has shown are more than will to play fast and loose with the truth.
I think it's probably bollocks too. Even if it was vaguely true, I can't imagine more than a handful going for it, and they'd definitely not advertise that either.
"All their ferocity was turned outwards, against enemies of the State, foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals" - Orwell, 1984
gianlucafiorentini123 wrote: ...I really can't see the DUP gaining much from this, some voters of SF will be put off by the parties stance on abortion but this has happened before and most will either end up going back to SF or else start to follow independent republican politicians.
It's important to remember that there has been nothing to back up these claims by the DUP, who as the RHI scandal has shown are more than will to play fast and loose with the truth.
I think it's probably bollocks too. Even if it was vaguely true, I can't imagine more than a handful going for it, and they'd definitely not advertise that either.
Especially Ian Paisley claiming a priest is supporting him and he's going to tell his parishioners to vote DUP, I can't see that going down well!
Da Boss wrote:It also ignores that people could switch to the SDLP if they want an anti abortion republican party.
The SDLP has now moved itself into a more middle ground with members being able to chose to campaign for either side (moving in line with Fianna Fáil with possibilities of a merger?), but this is probably the SDLP's only glimmer of hope when it comes to stopping the bleeding of votes to SF.
So anyone see the "leaked" info about the brexit impact plans 5 potential out comes?
I believe only 2. And 3. We're mentioned and only 2 specifically.
2. The ports grind to a halt within 24 hours and food and medicine run low within the week leading to rationing, chaos and misery for anyone who cannot flee the country. Mince Davis is proven right and it's not like.Mad Max as they had petrol.
3. Was just labelled "Armaggedon"
4. Was a Military coup to try and restore order.
5. Was UK is declared a failed state and the UN take over to ensure the Tories don't trade our nuclear weapons for safe passage out of the UK.
While I really really wish I was joking or making this up this is from a report commissioned and buried by our government. Allegedly they have all ready started work on a rationing system just in case turning Kent into a truck park fails to.work out.
If the Maybot and the brexit death cultists remain in charge and on there current path, then when shopping it maybe worth buying a few extra tins and some bottled water over the coming months.
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Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis
r_squared wrote: This is the crux if the issue as far as I'm concerned. This very thread had pages devoted to anti semitism in the Labour party, yet racism and islamophobia draws a near deathly silence. It's hypocrisy at the very least.
I'll be honest, I spotted it a few weeks back and meant to do some digging into it, but work is heavy going at the moment. It's something I've mentally marked as one for more investigation at some point.
Those that have been grappling with the whole “Islam is not a race” diversion for a while now know that it is obvious that hate speech, mockery, calling for internment and damaging people’s employment prospects, as studies have found, is not a legitimate interrogation of a faith. The religion-not-race canard is a threadbare semantic excuse deployed cynically by those who know that, once the religion element is stripped away, all that is left is the racist bigotry.
This quote that you linked is interesting. I think it's self-evident that 'Islam' is a religion rather than a race. That doesn't mean however, that people too ill-educated to make that distinction can't direct racist ire at people who adhere to the religion. I can be racist to oranges if I can convince myself that they're a race. 'Bloody orange bastards, not like us normal yellow lemons!'
With regards to any potential Islamophobia in the Tory party, I'm not sure the 'ill education' angle would work. In that case, it would be more of a simple case of racism against people of Middle-Eastern descent.
I'm not a regular commuter so haven't followed the new timetable all too closely, but I was getting a train 3 stops down the line on Saturday for drinks and it was shocking - narrowly missed one heading towards London, and previously you'd have waited for 10 or maybe 15 minutes until another one turned up. However the display showed the next train would be 30 minutes... and then shortly after it was cancelled with the next one 30 minutes after that.
Getting back was a similar story with a long wait on the platform and every service after the one we ended up on cancelled, it wasn't even that late. I felt for the people heading the other way though as every single service was cancelled, not sure if a replacement bus service was operating but getting from St Albans to central London would have taken far longer by road.
Transport Secretary apparently getting an epic grilling in the commons tonight, from his own party as well (given that many MPs from all parties could have affected constituents it will play well locally to join in).
"Say what you want about X, at least the trains ran on time."
“Good people are quick to help others in need, without hesitation or requiring proof the need is genuine. The wicked will believe they are fighting for good, but when others are in need they’ll be reluctant to help, withholding compassion until they see proof of that need. And yet Evil is quick to condemn, vilify and attack. For Evil, proof isn’t needed to bring harm, only hatred and a belief in the cause.”
LONDON — British negotiators are set to have just a few weeks to renegotiate over 40 trade deals it currently has with other countries, as part of its membership of the European Union, before it leaves the bloc in March 2019.
One of the biggest tasks facing the UK government is to ensure the free trade deals it already has with other non-EU countries continue to apply after it has departed.
EU officials have told Theresa May that the UK's Department for International Trade will not be able to begin renegotiating these trade deals until the Withdrawal Agreement has been signed off at the end of this year.
This would leave Liam Fox's trade department with just weeks between December 2018 and March 2019 to renegotiate over 40 trade deals with numerous countries, which account for around 15% of Britain's imports and exports.
The EU will not let Britain begin looking at post-Brexit trade deals until all issues all of its withdrawal have been resolved. This includes the Irish border dilemma, which has held up negotiations for weeks.
On Sunday, Germany's Brexit coordinator said "not many" people were expecting talks to progress significantly at the next European Council summit this month, and warned it was "unclear" whether there'd be a final deal.
In April, the CBI — Britain's biggest business group — told Business Insider it had a "serious doubts" that Britain would be able to roll over tens of trade deals in time for Brexit, and warned that failure to do so would bankrupt companies.
"The UK fundamentally lacks the experience or the bandwidth to conduct 20 or more trade renegotiations in parallel to complete before the potential cliff edge of January 2021,"the CBI's chief trade spokesperson, James Ashton-Bell, told BI.
"The potential of a cliff edge for these agreements is very real, and potentially hugely damaging at both firm-level and for entire sectors of the UK economy. It could wipe some out overnight. Some export-reliant companies could literally go bankrupt."
The CBI added that May's government "cannot reasonably expect that replications of agreements will be free from prolonged renegotiations," citing a number of concessions third countries have made to the EU which "they'll no longer be willing to give the UK on its own," plus deals which countries have expressed a desire to modernise.
He cited countries like Norway and Switzerland, where trade terms are not written down in a single agreement, and therefore cannot be replicated in any case without a completely new deal being struck.
The CBI's intervention followed a BI report, which revealed the European Commission had warned other EU institutions that it was "deeply concerned" about the UK's lack of preparation for carrying over trade deals after Brexit.
The Commission also cited Fox's "failure to grasp basic concepts and trade-offs" relating to the rollover process.
Numerous figures from across British business have told BI that "large swathes" of Fox's trade department are "reluctant to accept the help of outsiders" when it comes to preparing for Brexit.
We sure are lucky we have disgraced minister Liam Fox on the case.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
SeanDrake wrote: So anyone see the "leaked" info about the brexit impact plans 5 potential out comes?
I believe only 2. And 3. We're mentioned and only 2 specifically.
2. The ports grind to a halt within 24 hours and food and medicine run low within the week leading to rationing, chaos and misery for anyone who cannot flee the country. Mince Davis is proven right and it's not like.Mad Max as they had petrol.
3. Was just labelled "Armaggedon"
4. Was a Military coup to try and restore order.
5. Was UK is declared a failed state and the UN take over to ensure the Tories don't trade our nuclear weapons for safe passage out of the UK.
While I really really wish I was joking or making this up this is from a report commissioned and buried by our government. Allegedly they have all ready started work on a rationing system just in case turning Kent into a truck park fails to.work out.
If the Maybot and the brexit death cultists remain in charge and on there current path, then when shopping it maybe worth buying a few extra tins and some bottled water over the coming months.
Day ninety three day after Wrexit….
Also May is yet again acting like the Dictator she is.
15 amendments to discuss on the withdrawl bill, no more than 12 hours to raise, debate and vote on the issues. Don't think she even cares about Parliamentary process anymore.
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"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
If Labour thinks they're going to be rewarded for standing back and letting the Tories destroy the country without challenge, they might be in for a disappointment. People are surely not dumb enough to think that an utterly ineffective opposition party will magically morph into an effective government once elected.
A little bit of righteous anger now and then is good, actually. Don't trust a person who never gets angry.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Oh but they are resisting. They’re calling out and challenging Tory bs, whilst keeping their own cards close to their chest.
Whilst not risk free, it’s quite a shrewd move if you want to bury a particular political ideology, such as Neo Liberalism.
Labour needs to declare their cards as anti Hard Brexit, make a firm stand for prosperity through EFTA membership, collapse the government, and force a general election at which they can gain power to put their own agenda into effect.
Otherwise Corbo will find himself at best being elected to govern a smoking boot with no money to do anything.
Otherwise Corbo will find himself at best being elected to govern a smoking boot with no money to do anything.
Corbyn is the new Italian PM?
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
Smoking boot is a reference to the good old Paranoia RPG in which one of the figures produced by GW was a single boot and pile of ash, representing an agent who has been almost completely disintegrated.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: if you want to bury a particular political ideology, such as Neo Liberalism.
"Neoliberalism" is mostly just a meaningless snarl word these days. I see no evidence that any political ideology is going to get "buried" any time soon.
And if Labour does come to power following an economically devastating hard Brexit, the last thing I want them doing is turning their backs on free trade or embracing massive increases in borrow-and-spend in the name of sticking it to the Neoliberals. I want a government whose priority is the good of the country, not destroying their ideological enemies while the country burns down around them.
A little bit of righteous anger now and then is good, actually. Don't trust a person who never gets angry.
Duskweaver wrote: ... I want a government whose priority is the good of the country, not destroying their ideological enemies while the country burns down around them.
So, anybody except the Conservatives then?
The Guardian continues to be the only media outlet even mildly interested in the embedded racism of the Tories.
I'm pretty shocked that this close to the next summit we are not hearing anything with regard to the EU negotiations. There is a huge distance between the UK government position and the EU position still, and the EU is apparently talking about using the June summit to discuss other issues since there is so little progress on Brexit.
It gets really dangerously close to hard brexit by default the longer the cabinet procrastinates on the hard choices. If the summit in October goes badly, then that does not leave a lot of wiggle room for getting the agreement ratified by all the EU parliaments. The higher the pressure, the greater the chance for mischief from one of the parliaments to reject the deal.
It seems like the British press is burned out on covering Brexit and doesn't much want to talk about it any more, but a hard brexit by default due to nothing being done would be a total disaster. I wonder if the EU would allow it to happen?
The government is in a shambles. They don't have a shred of a plan and don't seem to be any nearer to getting one than a year ago, but the government has decided to ram their Leave bill through parliament in a single day. This is where the opposition has to stand up for something.
There needs to be a second referendum. It probably needs to be alternative vote with three or four options on the ballot, but we still don't have any middle-ground options the government can present.
Duskweaver wrote: If Labour thinks they're going to be rewarded for standing back and letting the Tories destroy the country without challenge, they might be in for a disappointment. People are surely not dumb enough to think that an utterly ineffective opposition party will magically morph into an effective government once elected.
People still blame Gordon Brown for the deregulation of the banks whilst totally ignoring that the Tories were screaming that it didn’t go nearly far enough, and give him pelters for bailing out the banks, whoch Tories demanded, and then rewarded them with two governments almost directly as a result. Admittedly Labour (nor any other party) never get as easy a ride from the press, so they wont be totally off the hook, but the Tories will be the ones left holdibg the wreckage. Well, more likely, Theresa May will.
Da Boss wrote: I'm pretty shocked that this close to the next summit we are not hearing anything with regard to the EU negotiations. There is a huge distance between the UK government position and the EU position still, and the EU is apparently talking about using the June summit to discuss other issues since there is so little progress on Brexit.
It gets really dangerously close to hard brexit by default the longer the cabinet procrastinates on the hard choices. If the summit in October goes badly, then that does not leave a lot of wiggle room for getting the agreement ratified by all the EU parliaments. The higher the pressure, the greater the chance for mischief from one of the parliaments to reject the deal.
It seems like the British press is burned out on covering Brexit and doesn't much want to talk about it any more, but a hard brexit by default due to nothing being done would be a total disaster. I wonder if the EU would allow it to happen?
May has made any progress impossible with her red lines. There just aren't anything but hard brexit that can work out. So hard brexit it will be.
Interesting how EU will make sure EU suffers least. There's that port for example that is used to bring stuff to UK from Asia. If that clogs up and it causes trouble for EU...Well easy and rather obvious solution is no UK bound stuff through there period. If it means UK gets no stuff from Asia until they can get port of their own big enough "tough luck".
Well that's what you get when people vote on ideals rather than facts. Brexit was always going to end up hurting up. People have weird habit of voting against their best interest. First brexit, then Trump. Trump voters are in for rude suprise when he promises jobs and tradewar he began will cost them. Especially as EU/China are targeting specifically products that most hurt Trump's base.
Well, Irish people did not vote for Brexit, even in the part of Ireland that was allowed to vote. We are 70-80% in favour of the EU.
That is why I am concerned about the future, because I think the EU's ability to protect us from British self harm is going to be fairly limited due to geography and economic reality. (Again.)
Forget Brexit for a minute. Crime has reared its ugly head again
That comedian guy was robbed. It's obvious that London is now the Wild West. Teenagers dying by the bushel, moped gangs terrorising law-abiding citizens.
The Police are clearly not up to it, and even when they didn't have budget cuts, they were still bloody useless. Hence why criminal gangs roam the streets with impunity.
If the government grows a backbone, and gives the green light, then authorised citizens' patrols of some kind could reclaim our streets.
There must still be tons of old war surplus Lee Enfields and Bren guns laying around. Ex-police and army vets of good standing and character could fill the void and at least they'd have some degree of training.
People may scoff at the idea but what's the alternative? Anarchy, ladies and gentlemen. Anarchy.
And nobody wants that
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
So a comedian gets robbed and all of a sudden London has fallen? Crime does seem to be a problem in London recently but they way you post in this matter makes it seem that no one is safe, and your answer is some sort of modern day Black and Tans?
The answer is not to start armingpeople and sending them on some sort of Ghetto safari.
gianlucafiorentini123 wrote: So a comedian gets robbed and all of a sudden London has fallen? Crime does seem to be a problem in London recently but they way you post in this matter makes it seem that no one is safe, and your answer is some sort of modern day Black and Tans?
The answer is not to start armingpeople and sending them on some sort of Ghetto safari.
It's not an isolated incident, and the softly softly, go easy on them because they had trouble with potty training approach, isn't working either.
Months ago, the official crime figures were released and they showed that crime was on the rise
It was there in black and white.
I posted a link to them on the BBC, and I was shot down in flames.
People accuse me of ignoring Brexit and EU evidence, but there are people on dakka who have a blind spot when law and order is breaking down.
The first duty of any government is defence of the realm and maintaining law and order.
If we have to arm people with old Webley revolvers and Lewis guns, to re-claim the streets, then so be it, because the current approach is clearly failing
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A Town Called Malus wrote: Because armed militias roaming around with surplus war equipment worked out so well for the Weimar Republic.
DINLT, your ideas become even more ridiculous with each post.
If a world famous and millionaire comedian is getting fleeced in broad daylight, then what chance does the average man in the street have?
None!
I'm not arguing for battleships to be moored in The Thames, but feth me, if something is not done by official channels, then don't be surprised to see people take the law into their own hands with vigilante groups.
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
A world famous comedian, sitting in his car, waiting outside a school.
This was not a targeted attack, it was simply an opportunistic smash and grab which happened to hit a famous person. But pointing that out doesn't fit your "armed gangs roaming the streets like something out of a Michael Jackson music video or The Warriors" narrative.
Also, it isn't like Michael Mcintyre travels with a close protection detail at all times, so he is no more resistant to a random opportunistic robbery than anyone else.
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1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
