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The only cherry-picking I see going on here is from Brussels.
Happy to have British troops in the Baltic, happy to use British intelligence services contribute to EU security, but not to keen on Britain using their satellite...
I find you dissociation and cognitive dissonance from your previous comments quite staggering really.
Paraphrasing. You suggested that we should provide troops to the Balkan states directly to win greater support amongst those states directly. That you were opposed to an EU army that supported all states. Now you want to have this so you can access to Galileo.
You said there was no need for us to support or have an EU military because we have NATO which we support the Baltic states through. Now the EU continues with Galileo it suddenly becomes that we are supporting the militaries of the EU and not NATO?
You wanted less integrating military wise with the EU but now we've stopped getting high access to Galileo which would have facilitated such integration you want it back again.
You said that you didn't care about the cost of leaving the EU (except for blood on the streets) as long as it happens, yet you object to the EU treating the UK as a third party once it leaves? Would you then stay in the EU to be part of Galileo, is that your red line?
You complain about cherry picking in the EU, without understanding what it means. The UK is getting the same access rights as any other third party non-EU country. There is no cherry picking because that implies that they want a bespoke relationship with regards Galileo which is the complete opposite of what you are suggesting.
Remain supporters will defend ANYTHING the EU says or does, regardless of how good or bad it is.
No one is defending the EU. All anyone is saying is that this is as expected. It was known at the referendum that these issues were likely to happen. That you didn't listen or didn't want to listen is not defending the EU. It is pointing out the reality of the decision and in a sense "we told you so". Those rules were there at the time and are the same to a greater extent as today. There's been no underhand decision to change the rules or so forth (which could be open to criticism); they are just actioning what we knew they would do. The best worst you can accuse us of is shrugging our shoulders and muttering about that we're not surprised.
It is becoming more apparent that you simply want to keep some bits you like and the get rid of the bits you don't. Well news flash, relationships don't work that way.
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
On live TV during PMQs, actually, and she referred to the fact that the colour was imposed by the EU, which as you know, it wasn't.
Agreed.
And like I said, I was never going to die in a ditch for blue passports.
I don't blame the EU for everything, and as a point of note, the Wetherspoon's boss and his banning of French and German booze is pretty absurd and petty.
No need for that...
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
The only cherry-picking I see going on here is from Brussels.
Happy to have British troops in the Baltic, happy to use British intelligence services contribute to EU security, but not to keen on Britain using their satellite...
I find you dissociation and cognitive dissonance from your previous comments quite staggering really.
Paraphrasing. You suggested that we should provide troops to the Balkan states directly to win greater support amongst those states directly. That you were opposed to an EU army that supported all states. Now you want to have this so you can access to Galileo.
You said there was no need for us to support or have an EU military because we have NATO which we support the Baltic states through. Now the EU continues with Galileo it suddenly becomes that we are supporting the militaries of the EU and not NATO?
You wanted less integrating military wise with the EU but now we've stopped getting high access to Galileo which would have facilitated such integration you want it back again.
You said that you didn't care about the cost of leaving the EU (except for blood on the streets) as long as it happens, yet you object to the EU treating the UK as a third party once it leaves? Would you then stay in the EU to be part of Galileo, is that your red line?
You complain about cherry picking in the EU, without understanding what it means. The UK is getting the same access rights as any other third party non-EU country. There is no cherry picking because that implies that they want a bespoke relationship with regards Galileo which is the complete opposite of what you are suggesting.
Remain supporters will defend ANYTHING the EU says or does, regardless of how good or bad it is.
No one is defending the EU. All anyone is saying is that this is as expected. It was known at the referendum that these issues were likely to happen. That you didn't listen or didn't want to listen is not defending the EU. It is pointing out the reality of the decision and in a sense "we told you so". Those rules were there at the time and are the same to a greater extent as today. There's been no underhand decision to change the rules or so forth (which could be open to criticism); they are just actioning what we knew they would do. The best worst you can accuse us of is shrugging our shoulders and muttering about that we're not surprised.
It is becoming more apparent that you simply want to keep some bits you like and the get rid of the bits you don't. Well news flash, relationships don't work that way.
If the Galileo satellite was pure commercial and communications, say an EU wide mobile phone network, then I wouldn't give two hoots what the EU did in this regard.
But as you know, by way of some EU members also being NATO members, Britain will for the time being be intertwined with these respective nations.
Norway and Iceland don't seem to suffer ill-effects from being out of the EU, whilst being NATO members.
But I'll defend and maintain my long standing position: a common market has no business encroaching on military matters.
In reviewing 1970s EEC referendum campaign material, Maastricht, even the Lisbon treaty, the word military is not something I've ever encountered.
If EU NATO members want out of NATO for their own Brussels led defence force, then they should be honest about it and start from scratch. But this duplication that seems to be happening makes little sense.
If the gak ever hits the fan and Europe is threatened from say, Russia, nobody in Brussels will give two hoots if Britain has paid its contributions or not. They will want the British military in there.
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A Town Called Malus wrote: I doubt that is any particular jab at the EU. If it were, he'd also be dropping Danish beer.
More likely it is due to predicted increased costs post-brexit.
None the less, it's petty behaviour, and despite him being for Brexit, he should be called out on this.
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: the Wetherspoon's boss and his banning of French and German booze is pretty absurd and petty.
The one near me doesn't sell German beer that I can recall. Not on tap, anyway (if it did I'd have bought it as I'm partial to Warsteiner or Bitburger).
And I'd bet any given Wetherspoons' annual champagne sales can be counted on one hand. Has he said if he's banning prosecco? Or is that okay because the Italians are turning 'brown people' away now?
“Good people are quick to help others in need, without hesitation or requiring proof the need is genuine. The wicked will believe they are fighting for good, but when others are in need they’ll be reluctant to help, withholding compassion until they see proof of that need. And yet Evil is quick to condemn, vilify and attack. For Evil, proof isn’t needed to bring harm, only hatred and a belief in the cause.”
If the Galileo satellite was pure commercial and communications, say an EU wide mobile phone network, then I wouldn't give two hoots what the EU did in this regard.
But as you know, by way of some EU members also being NATO members, Britain will for the time being be intertwined with these respective nations.
Norway and Iceland don't seem to suffer ill-effects from being out of the EU, whilst being NATO members.
But I'll defend and maintain my long standing position: a common market has no business encroaching on military matters.
In reviewing 1970s EEC referendum campaign material, Maastricht, even the Lisbon treaty, the word military is not something I've ever encountered.
If EU NATO members want out of NATO for their own Brussels led defence force, then they should be honest about it and start from scratch. But this duplication that seems to be happening makes little sense.
This in no way answers any of the questions posed. It's just a waffly explanation for NATO. NATO does not give each other access to the technologies they possess. It is simply a club of mutual protection. The US doesn't give us access to the inner workings of the GPS system. Why should the EU be any different?
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
In my defence, the whole blue passport thing was comedy banter directed at yourself and Kilkrazy, and other Remain supporters. Much like Farage on the Thames, which I laughed at and thought silly, even though I was technically on the same side as Farage.
It was all tongue in cheek, good natured fun.
Hand on heart, I've never given two hoots what colour my passport is, and for what it's worth, it was the last thing on my mind when I voted Brexit.
I notice you say nothing about lying about the exports.
Or the reverse ferret with regards to the lowering of our economic standards.
or etc etc ad nauseam
it's really quite astonishing how the people who knew what they were voting for all along were saying pretty much the exact opposite during the entire ref.
Frankly at this point you're starting to make Dan Hannan look honest.
...almost
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Kilkrazy wrote: Wetherspoons is dropping champagne and German beer.
Probably because it is too high quality for the clients. Wetherspoons prefer to suck up the overspill from all other pubs and then serve it back to unsuspecting punters at too high a price!
In my defence, the whole blue passport thing was comedy banter directed at yourself and Kilkrazy, and other Remain supporters. Much like Farage on the Thames, which I laughed at and thought silly, even though I was technically on the same side as Farage.
It was all tongue in cheek, good natured fun.
Hand on heart, I've never given two hoots what colour my passport is, and for what it's worth, it was the last thing on my mind when I voted Brexit.
Hmmmm lets just go back to some old posts shall we...
Never let it be said that leave don't uphold their campaign promises.
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Kilkrazy wrote: I actually had a blue passport, back in the day.
To be frank, the colour of your passport is irrelevant. What's important is how much freedom of travel it gives you.
The "Iconic" blue passport is another of those "Brexiteer" shibboleths. There is no EU rule that makes the UK have a red passport. We could have made it blue any time we wanted.
I've always kept my passports in a leather wallet of a different colour.
Let the good times fething roll indeed.
I have an old, expired, burgundy passport. I may burn it in an act of defiance.
I'm surprised that Farage isn't out organising a mass bonfire of burgundy passports.
Defiance of what? Of the non-existent rule that doesn't make you have a red rather than a blue passport?
Never cared about the colour of passports did we say????
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"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
Wetherspoons only buys 200k bottles of champagne per year.
The pub chain will continue to buy prosecco (1.8m bottles per year) from the EU after Brexit. English sparkling production is way too small to satiate mainstream customer spending
if you work out sales/number of pubs works out to selling one bottle per branch every 2 days.
Bet France is really scared now.
... course if the EU countries start to retaliate, say by all 27 of them not buying any of our X/Y/Z ... who do you think will win that one then ?
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Going back to the affairs in the House of Commons, it seems the possibility that May overplayed her emollient hand with the Tory Rebels has become a high degree probability!
It looks like the gak really will hit the fan now.
May won the previous Brexit Bill divisions by a modest margin, 26 votes. The rebels and Labour need to swing 14 votes to break the government. Two rebels were already voting against the government.
Given the chaos in the government and in parliament, perhaps a referendum actually would be a way to give more direction to the overall process.
We're running out of time. Hard Brexit Chaos will occur by default, and only a small number of people want it.
Kilkrazy wrote: Going back to the affairs in the House of Commons, it seems the possibility that May overplayed her emollient hand with the Tory Rebels has become a high degree probability!
It looks like the gak really will hit the fan now.
May won the previous Brexit Bill divisions by a modest margin, 26 votes. The rebels and Labour need to swing 14 votes to break the government. Two rebels were already voting against the government.
Given the chaos in the government and in parliament, perhaps a referendum actually would be a way to give more direction to the overall process.
We're running out of time. Hard Brexit Chaos will occur by default, and only a small number of people want it.
Apparently this is the new amendments proposed:-
123.1 The definition of a meaningful votes means a vote in parliament that will have no binding obligations on the Government whatsoever but allows the Deluded Tory Remainers to put the Government's party before the country.
124.1 The definition of Deluded Tory Remainers means those MPs in the Conservative party that actually believe the PM is honest, caring individual.
125.1 Ha Ha I lied and you believed me you saps
126.1 Theresa May to be immediately promoted to all poweful Overseer. Under the previous Brexit legilsation because of the difficulties the UK faces no vote is needed to install her in such position. Long may she dictate everything!
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
In my defence, the whole blue passport thing was comedy banter directed at yourself and Kilkrazy, and other Remain supporters. Much like Farage on the Thames, which I laughed at and thought silly, even though I was technically on the same side as Farage.
It was all tongue in cheek, good natured fun.
Hand on heart, I've never given two hoots what colour my passport is, and for what it's worth, it was the last thing on my mind when I voted Brexit.
I notice you say nothing about lying about the exports.
Or the reverse ferret with regards to the lowering of our economic standards.
or etc etc ad nauseam
it's really quite astonishing how the people who knew what they were voting for all along were saying pretty much the exact opposite during the entire ref.
Frankly at this point you're starting to make Dan Hannan look honest.
...almost
It was the current or ex-boss of the CBI who said that exports were flying off the shelves. I am not, nor have I ever been, a member of the CBI.
If you have a problem with the CBI, direct your complaints to their HQ.
At any rate, my exports were doing fine at the time. I sold a lot of stuff to Australia. Granted, 5 grand will hardly dent the UK's balance of payments, but I was doing my bit to help our trade deficit.
Small and medium businesses like my own are the backbone of this country.
Kilkrazy wrote: Wetherspoons is dropping champagne and German beer.
Probably because it is too high quality for the clients. Wetherspoons prefer to suck up the overspill from all other pubs and then serve it back to unsuspecting punters at too high a price!
In my defence, the whole blue passport thing was comedy banter directed at yourself and Kilkrazy, and other Remain supporters. Much like Farage on the Thames, which I laughed at and thought silly, even though I was technically on the same side as Farage.
It was all tongue in cheek, good natured fun.
Hand on heart, I've never given two hoots what colour my passport is, and for what it's worth, it was the last thing on my mind when I voted Brexit.
Hmmmm lets just go back to some old posts shall we...
Never let it be said that leave don't uphold their campaign promises.
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Kilkrazy wrote: I actually had a blue passport, back in the day.
To be frank, the colour of your passport is irrelevant. What's important is how much freedom of travel it gives you.
The "Iconic" blue passport is another of those "Brexiteer" shibboleths. There is no EU rule that makes the UK have a red passport. We could have made it blue any time we wanted.
I've always kept my passports in a leather wallet of a different colour.
Let the good times fething roll indeed.
I have an old, expired, burgundy passport. I may burn it in an act of defiance.
I'm surprised that Farage isn't out organising a mass bonfire of burgundy passports.
Defiance of what? Of the non-existent rule that doesn't make you have a red rather than a blue passport?
Never cared about the colour of passports did we say????
That was ironic, tongue in cheek from a post that was originally intended to be good natured humour.
If anything, I was agreeing with you.
Again I repeat the following: I do not, nor have I ever cared about, the colour of my passport.
Feth me, I don't even have a passport. It expired a while ago
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
That was ironic, tongue in cheek from a post that was originally intended to be good natured humour.
If anything, I was agreeing with you.
Again I repeat the following: I do not, nor have I ever cared about, the colour of my passport.
Feth me, I don't even have a passport. It expired a while ago
Easy to say now isn't it?
Or are you saying you were deliberately trolling us...
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
Small and medium businesses, whilst the backbone of the UK are going to get screwed the worst. The big ones can move stuff offshore and pool resources.
You may be OK because you're selling gaming stuff to Australia which is used to paying much higher prices and the dropping pound makes you even cheaper.
It'll really suck for the gaming manufacturers who are going to see materials go up in price, EU sales slow down, and buyers with less money.
Whirlwind wrote: Or are you saying you were deliberately trolling us...
I'm surprised it took you this long to come to that realization...
Harsh. Very harsh.
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Herzlos wrote: Small and medium businesses, whilst the backbone of the UK are going to get screwed the worst. The big ones can move stuff offshore and pool resources.
You may be OK because you're selling gaming stuff to Australia which is used to paying much higher prices and the dropping pound makes you even cheaper.
It'll really suck for the gaming manufacturers who are going to see materials go up in price, EU sales slow down, and buyers with less money.
I'm fortunate because I still have a stockpile of niche, collectible stuff that is always an interest to somebody, somewhere.
My biggest concern though has always been video games diluting interest in wargaming and 3D printers taking away customers.
I would say to anybody on dakka that running or starting a business is not easy, but it's not hard either, if you know what I mean. IMO it's mostly hardwork in the sense of having to put a lot of time in rather than any great difficulty to solve. There's tons of clever people on dakka, and if they ever feel the need to be their own boss, I would say go for it.
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
The Euro is down against the GBP, so UK exports to Eurozone are more expensive.
The Daily Mail is angry that the immigration cap on medical workers has been lifted.
Local councils have called on the government to replace the funding they will no longer get from the European Investment Bank, used to build council houses and other infrastructure projects.
The Lewisham by-election gave the Lib-Dems a big vote hike in an anti-Brexit mood. Labour still won but lost 18% of the votes compared to the general election.
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Kilkrazy wrote: Going back to the affairs in the House of Commons, it seems the possibility that May overplayed her emollient hand with the Tory Rebels has become a high degree probability!
It looks like the gak really will hit the fan now.
May won the previous Brexit Bill divisions by a modest margin, 26 votes. The rebels and Labour need to swing 14 votes to break the government. Two rebels were already voting against the government.
Given the chaos in the government and in parliament, perhaps a referendum actually would be a way to give more direction to the overall process.
We're running out of time. Hard Brexit Chaos will occur by default, and only a small number of people want it.
Apparently this is the new amendments proposed:-
123.1 The definition of a meaningful votes means a vote in parliament that will have no binding obligations on the Government whatsoever but allows the Deluded Tory Remainers to put the Government's party before the country.
124.1 The definition of Deluded Tory Remainers means those MPs in the Conservative party that actually believe the PM is honest, caring individual.
125.1 Ha Ha I lied and you believed me you saps
126.1 Theresa May to be immediately promoted to all poweful Overseer. Under the previous Brexit legilsation because of the difficulties the UK faces no vote is needed to install her in such position. Long may she dictate everything!
Labour may be more disorganised than the Tories and that's saying somthing.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
The £1.9bn Universal Credit system may end up costing more to administer than the benefits system it is replacing, according to the National Audit Office.
Ministers will never know if their aim of putting 200,000 extra people in work, or saving £2.1bn in fraud and error, will work, the watchdog says.
It adds some claimants waited eight months for payment amid the switch to UC, which rolls six benefits into one.
The government said UC will bring a £34bn return over 10 years.
It said more people would get into work - and stay there longer - and that it had taken a "listen and learn" approach to the introduction of the system.
The move to the UC system has long been criticised for its delayed and flawed implementation, with more than 110,000 people paid late in 2017 alone.
Rebecca Smidmore, a full-time carer for her disabled son, said the system was confusing and had taken more than a year to understand.
One of the problems, she said, was that if her husband's pay day came one or two days early, the UC system calculated that he had earned double the amount for that month.
"In that case our universal credit is heavily reduced," she told Radio 4's Today programme.
"We don't qualify for free prescriptions or dental treatment which we would do normally."
Meg Hillier, chair of the Public Accounts Committee said the introduction of UC had been "one long catalogue of delay with huge impact on people's lives".
Shadow work and pensions secretary Margaret Greenwood said: "This report shows just how disastrously wrong the Conservatives have got the roll out of Universal Credit."
And the Child Poverty Action Group questioned whether the government should push on with a programme that was "demonstrably failing".
But the public spending watchdog's report found that so many changes had been made to job centres and working practices that there was no "alternative but to continue".
Eight years after work began on UC, only 10% of the total number of people expected to claim are on the system, the NAO says.
And one in five do not receive their full payment on time, the report adds.
A significant minority of those paid late, some 20% - these are usually the more needy and complicated cases - are waiting five months or more to be paid.
And yet the Department for Work and Pensions does not accept that UC has caused hardship among claimants, the report says.
The report points to a recent internal departmental report showing 40% of claimants are experiencing financial difficulties.
It says the DWP has not shown sufficient sensitivity towards some claimants as it will not accept late payments have caused hardship to people, because advances are available.
It argues if claimants take up these opportunities, hardship should not occur.
This approach had led the DWP to "dismiss evidence of claimants' difficulties and hardship instead of working with these bodies to establish an evidence base for what is actually happening".
"The result has been a dialogue of claim and counter-claim and gives the unhelpful impression of a department that is unsympathetic to claimants."
Analysis of DWP payment data revealed that in 2017, around one-quarter (113,000) of new claims were not paid in full on time.
Late payments were delayed on average by four weeks, but from January to October 2017, 40% of those affected by late payments waited in total around 11 weeks or more.
Some 20% waited almost five months and about 8% had to wait for eight months.
Despite recent improvements, one-fifth of new claimants in March 2018 did not receive their full entitlement on time. Some 13% received no payment on time.
'Financial misery'
A spokesman for the DWP said: "We are building a benefit system fit for the 21st Century, providing flexible, person-centred support with evidence showing Universal Credit claimants getting into work faster and staying in work longer."
He insisted Universal Credit was good value for money and repeated the forecast that it will realise a return on investment of £34bn over 10 years against a cost of £2bn, with 200,000 more people in work.
"Furthermore, 83% of claimants are satisfied with the service and the majority agree that it 'financially motivates' them to work," he said.
Jane Ahrends, of the Child Poverty Action Group, said the NAO presented a "justifiably bleak" picture.
"Today's report must give ministers pause for thought," she said.
"Will the government press on with a programme that is demonstrably failing - causing financial misery for families - or will it restore the money that's been taken out of Universal Credit in an effort to rehabilitate it for struggling families."
Emma Revie, chief executive of food bank charity The Trussell Trust, called for more support to be put in place for "groups of people most likely to need a food bank, and debt advice to be offered to everyone moving on to the new system".
yet another upwards fail by Duncan-Smith -- still he can celebrate with another £39 tax payer funded breakfast.
Eight years after work began on UC, only 10% of the total number of people expected to claim are on the system, the NAO says.
And one in five do not receive their full payment on time, the report adds.
A significant minority of those paid late, some 20% - these are usually the more needy and complicated cases - are waiting five months or more to be paid.
Same people pushing this debacle are claiming we can have the technology based easy peasy border control when we leave the Eu in less than 2 years.
. “The EU tariff on wine from Australia is €0.099 ltr for wine <13 abv="" aus="" bulk="" by="" in="" of="" or="" shipped="" to="" uk="" vol="" wine="">13% abv. That’s 6.5p to 8p a bottle in EU tariff. UK wine duty, charged by HM Govt, is 27 TIMES higher at £2.16 a bottle + VAT on duty and the wine”
Finally we can save .. maybe 8 pence off of a bottle of wine.
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Does anyone lower prices nowadays unless nobody buys? I mean, i dont think ive ever seen things get cheaper, only more expensive.
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
The three largest producers of wine in the world are France, Italy and Spain. Portugal, Germany, Greece, Romania and Hungary are other EU countries making decent stuff.
I'm a big fan of the New World including South America and South Africa, but it costs a lot more to ship their wine than from Europe.
Saving 8p a bottle isn't going to make any difference at all. Retailers price everything into bands, that's why you've got your £5.99 wine, your £7.99 wine and so on. Marketing and consumer preference does the rest.
It might help Tim Marting to save 8p a bottle of the 1 million bottles he imports a year, but he won't be passing that on to pub-goers.
So the private members bill about upskirting being blocked is rightly getting lots of attention and rage. Apparently the twonk of a Tory MP(surprise surprise) didn't really know what it was about and makes a point of objecting to as many private members bills as he can on "principle" In some ways that seems worse than if he genuinely believed there was nothing wrong with being a creepy perv.
"What is the current law?
There is no law specifically naming and banning upskirting in England and Wales, victims and police are currently only able to pursue offences of outraging public decency or as a crime of voyeurism
Upskirting has been an offence in Scotland since 2010 when it was listed under the broadened definition of voyeurism
What are the limitations of the current situation in England and Wales?
Voyeurism only applies to filming actions taking place in private
Outraging public decency usually requires someone to have witnessed the action but upskirting is often unobserved
Unlike other sexual offences, people don't have automatic right to anonymity"
Whilst this is totally unacceptable conduct, if women
assumed some responsibility for their attire, they would not be in jeopardy. Prosecutions will only utilise valuable police and CPS resources that should be prioritised elsewhere
uuhh hhuuhh
Spoiler:
.. classy guy !
On the plus side next time you worry that our political situation is getting a bit weird :
Czech President Milos Zeman called a press conference on Thursday to set a giant pair of red underpants on fire.
The president arranged the impromptu event without giving a reason, prompting widespread speculation.
He then burned the giant pair of red underpants, once used by an artist group to criticise him, in a makeshift fire pit.
"I'm sorry to make you look like little idiots, you really don't deserve it," he told reporters before leaving.
The AFP news agency characterised the press conference as a "bizarre event" which took the assembled journalists by surprise.
The enormous underpants were made by artist collective Ztohoven, which flew the metre-long boxer shorts above the presidential palace in 2015.
Czech media said the president had purchased the same boxer shorts from the state property office - for the price of one Czech crown.
In recent months, Ztohoven has produced shirts and badges of the red boxer shorts to protest against Mr Zeman's campaign for re-election - which he narrowly won in January.
Radio Praha said the demonstration supposedly symbolised the "time to end the era of dirty laundry in politics".
Mr Zeman's political opponents failed to see the humour in Thursday's fiery stunt.
One, Petr Gazdík of the Stan party, wrote that if he did not have respect for the presidency, he "would say that the President has gone mad" and that the spectacle "reduces the dignity of the presidential office".
Mr Zeman's unusual press conference was not the first time he had taken aim at the press.
In October last year, he attended a press conference brandishing a fake rifle labelled "for journalists". In May, he said that journalists should be "liquidated" - a comment characterised as a joke.
He also made another joke in January that the Czech prime minister could be removed either by elections or by "Kalashnikov" - a popular type of automatic rifle.
The 73-year-old president won his second term of office in January in a tight run-off, emerging with 52% of the vote and beating his pro-EU rival.
Mr Zeman, meanwhile, supports his country's membership of both the EU and Nato - but with reservations. He opposes sanctions imposed by the EU against Russia, and is critical of the EU's system for distributing migrants among member states.
..but we're only about half way through the year so who knows what we still might see ?!
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Whilst this is totally unacceptable conduct, if women
assumed some responsibility for their attire, they would not be in jeopardy. Prosecutions will only utilise valuable police and CPS resources that should be prioritised elsewhere
uuhh hhuuhh
You have to wonder about some people don't you. Perhaps he expects all women to dress like this?
Spoiler:
.. classy guy !
More worryingly is the number of people that actually vote for him in Christchurch? Is it voyeurism central?
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"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
despite what you may have heard/read it seems the MP in question is not opposed to private bills.
shocker eh ?!
some of you might recall him from the HoC documentary -- he along with Bone camped out in the offices to grab all the members bill slots.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
In some ways that seems worse than if he genuinely believed there was nothing wrong with being a creepy perv.
