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I very much like the cartoon that accompanies that article. It's a clever and accurate image of how shafted we really are.

Tories on the ropes with one of their candidates being charged, and rightly so IMO.

This election has been a complete shambles for May

Yup.

Seems to be death by a thousand largely self inclifcted cuts. No pun intended.

Could be funny if the election went a disaster for the tories, losing more than they had before the called election and ending with May leaving on her own.

It would certainly sound familiar.

Sure, you guys would find it less funny, but from the other side of the sea...it's like looking at someone beating himself with the stick he made. It's kinda sad, in a way.

 Sarouan wrote:
Could be funny if the election went a disaster for the tories, losing more than they had before the called election and ending with May leaving on her own.

It would certainly sound familiar.

Sure, you guys would find it less funny, but from the other side of the sea...it's like looking at someone beating himself with the stick he made. It's kinda sad, in a way.

It's going to funny whatever the outcome. It has been an absolute farce of an election. As a near-neutral, I've found the whole thing hilarious.

May is done, whether she wins or loses. If she maintains her current majority or increases she'll get to hang on for a bit, but there's going to be some pretty shiny knives in the benches behind her. Worst UK election campaign in living memory. Just think, if Labour didn't all hate each other, they'd be polling ten points above the Tories. That said, if they didn't all hate each other then May wouldn't have called the election...

I have no source from this apart from pub talk, but according to one or two political commentators on twitter, all but one party leader have agreed to do local radio interviews this week...

If truth, and I don't doubt it given recent events, I seriously wonder what is up with May.

Fear of the great unwashed? Health problems? The PM does have a life threatning condition, so this could be a real possibility of it being a health problem.

Either way, there are serious questions that need to be answered.

Anybody had a go at this yet?
https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/

My results were:
1) Lib Dem - quite heavily in spite of being very frustrated at a number of their policies
2) Labour - not a supporter, but hardly surprising

and.....

3) UKIP - ................ well...I...uh... I got nothing

nfe wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
Could be funny if the election went a disaster for the tories, losing more than they had before the called election and ending with May leaving on her own.

It would certainly sound familiar.

Sure, you guys would find it less funny, but from the other side of the sea...it's like looking at someone beating himself with the stick he made. It's kinda sad, in a way.

It's going to funny whatever the outcome. It has been an absolute farce of an election. As a near-neutral, I've found the whole thing hilarious.

May is done, whether she wins or loses. If she maintains her current majority or increases she'll get to hang on for a bit, but there's going to be some pretty shiny knives in the benches behind her. Worst UK election campaign in living memory. Just think, if Labour didn't all hate each other, they'd be polling ten points above the Tories. That said, if they didn't all hate each other then May wouldn't have called the election...

It's not really that funny. Though I suppose to be expected. We have had years of top politicians that are more interested in the party and their own power than actually trying to solve the countries problems long term and at best put a band aid over the gaping hole, slap us on the shoulder and tell us to get on with it. Hence eventually ending up where we are now is not really a surprise. The non laughing matter is that it is the populace that will suffer long term.

I've got to wonder how long May will last unless she pulls out some blindingly good impressions over the next week which although not impossible is unlikely given her other outings into the public realm. On the other hand, despite some gaffs Corbyn, does look stronger and more confident as the election progressed. Bizarre given the local elections were a disaster. So the question is what is the shortest length someone has been prime minister?

Even more polls are now showing the Tories losing ground (MORI this time).

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/general-election-2017-ipsos-mori-poll-labour-narrow-conservatives-lead-five-points_uk_59315f09e4b075bff0f27efd?utm_hp_ref=uk

and May continues to show weak Leadership. Whereas you have impassioned statements by Macron about the Paris Climate Agreement her response has amounted to 'disappointment' making her look more like she is desperate to cosy up to Trump (I understand the reasoning to a point even if I vehemently disagree with doing it). However most people now accept climate change and hence when you compare Macrons and her response it hardly indicates she is 'Strong' and willing to stand up for what she believes in (which she is trying to promote for Brexit).

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/emmanuel-macron-paris-agreement-speech-theresa-may-donald-trump_uk_593119f3e4b075bff0f22257?ir=UK+Politics&utm_hp_ref=uk-politics

This again leaves her open to attacks by Corbyn. I assume someone at QT will ask about Climate Change and that might be very awkward for her.


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 Henry wrote:
Anybody had a go at this yet?
https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/

My results were:
1) Lib Dem - quite heavily in spite of being very frustrated at a number of their policies
2) Labour - not a supporter, but hardly surprising

and.....

3) UKIP - ................ well...I...uh... I got nothing

For me it was Green, LD, Labour

There's a few others that do this as well
[url]
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/who-should-i-vote-for-general-election-2017_uk_592fc054e4b0540ffc847d88?ir=UK+Politics&utm_hp_ref=uk-politics[/url]

Some which take general views on life and then interpret the result etc. In the iside with one I came heavily in favour for SNP (can't vote for them). Then Labour/LDs/Greens were all close. Bizarrely also Sinn Fein?

 Whirlwind wrote:


It's not really that funny...The non laughing matter is that it is the populace that will suffer long term.

 Whirlwind wrote:
In the iside with one I came heavily in favour for SNP (can't vote for them). Then Labour/LDs/Greens were all close. Bizarrely also Sinn Fein?

To be fair its not that bizarre. There's very little between, for instance, the Lib Dems, SNP, and Sinn Fein aside from constitutional positions. The English and Welsh Greens are also pretty close barring a handful of policies and until very recently you could stick Labour in that group, too. You still could put Scottish Labour with them, in fact. In real terms, all of our represented parties occupy an extremely narrow political spectrum - hence why I'm near enough neutral (I'm closest to Westminster Labour and the Scottish Greens but a long, long way beyond them on that spectrum) and find the whole thing more entertaining than worrying. The game's a bogey no matter who wins. We're way too far beyond any kind of open political debate to actually achieve anything.

Actually really looking forward to the lottery of election night.

Shortest term was 119 days.

May has already been pm for nearly a year.


Time flies when you're having fun in a post brexit world.

 Henry wrote:
Anybody had a go at this yet?
https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/

My results were:
1) Lib Dem - quite heavily in spite of being very frustrated at a number of their policies
2) Labour - not a supporter, but hardly surprising

and.....

3) UKIP - ................ well...I...uh... I got nothing

You'll have to excuse me when I say that test, like most others of its kind, is bollocks. Would I like more funding for police? Sure! Where's the money coming from? *shrug*

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Henry wrote:
Anybody had a go at this yet?
https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/

My results were:
1) Lib Dem - quite heavily in spite of being very frustrated at a number of their policies
2) Labour - not a supporter, but hardly surprising

and.....

3) UKIP - ................ well...I...uh... I got nothing

You'll have to excuse me when I say that test, like most others of its kind, is bollocks. Would I like more funding for police? Sure! Where's the money coming from? *shrug*

In the interest of balance, all it is intended to do is align someone broadly with a party's ideological positions. It's not designed to help you decide who you believe can best achieve the particular policies you prioritise in relation to economics, legislation, opposition etc

It's still bollocks, but because it doesn't do what it intends to do very well (though to do so accurately would be a horribly lengthy exercise, I suppose), not because it doesn't do something it isn't designed to do in the first place.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Yup.

Seems to be death by a thousand largely self inclifcted cuts. No pun intended.

I see the Tories are starting to wheel out the vote Labour get SNP line of attack in the hope of summoning the spirit of 2015.

It's a bit late in the day for that mode of attack

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Yup.

Seems to be death by a thousand largely self inclifcted cuts. No pun intended.

I see the Tories are starting to wheel out the vote Labour get SNP line of attack in the hope of summoning the spirit of 2015.

It's a bit late in the day for that mode of attack

Well Sturgen suggested it so the Conservatives never did start this one.
Though not much labour left north of hadrians wall, its all yellow past the border and into the wild northern realm..

 Henry wrote:
Anybody had a go at this yet?
https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/

My results were:
1) Lib Dem - quite heavily in spite of being very frustrated at a number of their policies
2) Labour - not a supporter, but hardly surprising

and.....

3) UKIP - ................ well...I...uh... I got nothing

WTF is a "Cultural Crime"? Came up in my survey, and now I'm stuck on "Zero tolerance to ‘cultural’ crimes and aim to eradicate them from our country."

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Henry wrote:
Anybody had a go at this yet?
https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/

My results were:
1) Lib Dem - quite heavily in spite of being very frustrated at a number of their policies
2) Labour - not a supporter, but hardly surprising

and.....

3) UKIP - ................ well...I...uh... I got nothing

WTF is a "Cultural Crime"? Came up in my survey, and now I'm stuck on "Zero tolerance to ‘cultural’ crimes and aim to eradicate them from our country."

Umm.... Ummm...
I gues it could be semi racial crimes or acts against a single cultural group?

But that's hate crime /phobias...

Is it like...adding the milk to the tea-bags in your mug first before you add the hot water?

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Is it like...adding the milk to the tea-bags in your mug first before you add the hot water?

What kind of monster are you?

Next you will use vegemite instead of Marmite like some heathen..

 jhe90 wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Is it like...adding the milk to the tea-bags in your mug first before you add the hot water?

What kind of monster are you?

Next you will use vegemite instead of Marmite like some heathen..

Never tried either of them. I've heard of Marmite but wtf is vegemite?

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Is it like...adding the milk to the tea-bags in your mug first before you add the hot water?

What kind of monster are you?

Next you will use vegemite instead of Marmite like some heathen..

Never tried either of them. I've heard of Marmite but wtf is vegemite?

Australian version of Marmite, slightly different recipe.

 Henry wrote:
Anybody had a go at this yet?
https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/

My results were:
1) Lib Dem - quite heavily in spite of being very frustrated at a number of their policies
2) Labour - not a supporter, but hardly surprising

and.....

3) UKIP - ................ well...I...uh... I got nothing

Labour 66.7%
Green 16.7%
Lib Dem 16.7%

I'm not surprised myself apart from I thought I'd be a bit more Lib Dem maybe.

That survey isn't interested in Northern Ireland so I am not interested in it. on you survey.

50% labour
33% tory
17% lib dem.

It seems kinda fair I think. It's not that I necessariy disagree with Labours policies it's more I'm not convinced they're feasible and practical. Aspirationally, sure, yeah. Real world, not so sure. That and back home, I'm pretty convinced the decisions of the local labour MP at the time directly contributed to destroying my mothers, quite literally, in many ways, her sanity.

 jhe90 wrote:


Next you will use vegemite instead of Marmite like some heathen..

Ahem. Ban incoming in 3...2...

Vegemite is heaven delivered to your toast and I won't hear a bad word about it!

This has been a fascinating election to follow so far, it'll be interesting to see how this all ends up going at the polls.

Green: 28.6%
Conservatives: 21.4%
Labour: 21.4%
Lib Dem: 14.3%
UKIP: 14.3%

That was half an hour of my life I'll never get back.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

WTF is a "Cultural Crime"? Came up in my survey, and now I'm stuck on "Zero tolerance to ‘cultural’ crimes and aim to eradicate them from our country."

First thing that springs to mind is the deliberate destrction of heritage - like the Croats bombing the Mostar Bridge or ISIS bombing Palmyra - but I'm an archaeologist that works in Iraq so my biases might be coming into play there. I can't think of what it would mean in a purely British context.

Cultural crime? My best guess would be burning poppies in November, leaving a pack of bacon outside a mosque or campaigning against circumcision. That sort of thing.

 Henry wrote:
Cultural crime? My best guess would be burning poppies in November, leaving a pack of bacon outside a mosque or campaigning against circumcision. That sort of thing.

Bacon would be a racial religion crime though?

Poppies maybe more likely.

There seems to be no line between hate, cultural and other discrimination crimes very easily, just big grey areas of mixed definition.

 jhe90 wrote:

 Henry wrote:
Cultural crime? My best guess would be burning poppies in November, leaving a pack of bacon outside a mosque or campaigning against circumcision. That sort of thing.

Bacon would be a racial religion crime though?

Poppies maybe more likely.

There seems to be no line between hate, cultural and other discrimination crimes very easily, just big grey areas of mixed definition.

I don't think anyone could be charged for burning poppies unless there were some pretty extreme aggravating circumstances. Probably the same for campaigning against circumcision. And, in fact, for the bacon example.

That said, 'cultural crime' definitely isn't a legal definition of anything in the UK, though, so I'm not sure that it's meant to denote something specific. I think it's just a poorly chosen umbrella term that they've opted to use.

nfe wrote:
I don't think anyone could be charged for burning poppies unless there were some pretty extreme aggravating circumstances.

Unless I remember incorrectly, people have in the past been arrested, charged and fined for burning poppies. If by aggravating you mean violence or physical confrontation then no, those were not contributing factors.

nfe wrote:
Probably the same for campaigning against circumcision.

I was only being sarcastic with this one. However, it is an issue that runs afoul of cultural sensetivities and claims of anti-semetism.

nfe wrote:
And, in fact, for the bacon example.

I'm trying to decipher what a 'cultural crime' could possibly mean and picked some random things that I imagine people being offended by, I think this one might actually fit in to this vague term.

nfe wrote:
That said, 'cultural crime' definitely isn't a legal definition of anything in the UK, though, so I'm not sure that it's meant to denote something specific. I think it's just a poorly chosen umbrella term that they've opted to use.

Agreed. But if it is an actual proposition then who made it and have they made any attempts to clarify what the hell it means?