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 Henry wrote:
Cultural crime? My best guess would be burning poppies in November, leaving a pack of bacon outside a mosque or campaigning against circumcision. That sort of thing.

I think that this is likely in one of the parties manifestos as I recognised some of the wording as I went through the questions. I can imagine which one it is from...hence as I'm not going to entertain wasting my time reading that one I speculate that it is proposed that this party will define what the UK culture is and that anything that is opposed to this would be a criminal offence.

Hence I can imagine it might be things like burning a flag, speaking out against Brexit, suggesting we aren't the glorious Britannia that rules the waves and so on.

It is effectively a major constraint on freedom of speech and requirement to conform with this governments ideals (I mean lets face it if you want to wipe you ass on the Union Jack then that's entirely up to you - it doesn't harm anyone). If you want fascism this is the party to vote for...

 Henry wrote:

nfe wrote:
I don't think anyone could be charged for burning poppies unless there were some pretty extreme aggravating circumstances.

Unless I remember incorrectly, people have in the past been arrested, charged and fined for burning poppies. If by aggravating you mean violence or physical confrontation then no, those were not contributing factors.

nfe wrote:
Probably the same for campaigning against circumcision.

I was only being sarcastic with this one. However, it is an issue that runs afoul of cultural sensetivities and claims of anti-semetism.

nfe wrote:
And, in fact, for the bacon example.

I'm trying to decipher what a 'cultural crime' could possibly mean and picked some random things that I imagine people being offended by, I think this one might actually fit in to this vague term.

nfe wrote:
That said, 'cultural crime' definitely isn't a legal definition of anything in the UK, though, so I'm not sure that it's meant to denote something specific. I think it's just a poorly chosen umbrella term that they've opted to use.

Agreed. But if it is an actual proposition then who made it and have they made any attempts to clarify what the hell it means?

Actually given the timing and the situation the poppy burning was seen more as a act of agravation at the time, and situation, also at time they would of wanted politicaly show they are against a issue that did cause public anger.

So its abit of both. However with political pressure to make sure someone was charged with something.

 Henry wrote:

nfe wrote:
I don't think anyone could be charged for burning poppies unless there were some pretty extreme aggravating circumstances.

Unless I remember incorrectly, people have in the past been arrested, charged and fined for burning poppies. If by aggravating you mean violence or physical confrontation then no, those were not contributing factors.

By aggravating I mean deliberately seeking to cause distress of offence. Same deal as why someone can't be charged for simply using the n-word but can if they're using it pejoratively about or towards someone. Can't imagine that anyone has ever been charged simply for burining a poppy, but they might well have been for doing it on a street corner with a bunch of signs about the evil west beside some ex-servicemen collecting for the legion.

 Henry wrote:
Cultural crime? My best guess would be burning poppies in November, leaving a pack of bacon outside a mosque or campaigning against circumcision. That sort of thing.

I can agree with the first two, but "campaigning against circumcision"??? Circumcision is fething child abuse.


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 Whirlwind wrote:

 Henry wrote:
Cultural crime? My best guess would be burning poppies in November, leaving a pack of bacon outside a mosque or campaigning against circumcision. That sort of thing.

I think that this is likely in one of the parties manifestos as I recognised some of the wording as I went through the questions. I can imagine which one it is from...hence as I'm not going to entertain wasting my time reading that one I speculate that it is proposed that this party will define what the UK culture is and that anything that is opposed to this would be a criminal offence.

Hence I can imagine it might be things like burning a flag, speaking out against Brexit, suggesting we aren't the glorious Britannia that rules the waves and so on.

It is effectively a major constraint on freedom of speech and requirement to conform with this governments ideals (I mean lets face it if you want to wipe you ass on the Union Jack then that's entirely up to you - it doesn't harm anyone). If you want fascism this is the party to vote for...

We're in agreement for once. I don't care what party came up with this, whether Left Wing or Right Wing...its a bad, authoritarian policy that would give a Government far too much power.

Do you know which party this is so I can not vote for them?


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As for burning Poppies on remembrance day, that can be easily dealt with as a Public Order offence. No need for a new law, especially not a quasi fascist law that gives a Government cart Blanche to declare what is and is not culturally acceptable.

Well more uturns by the Tories apparently, this time on social housing...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tories-housing-policy-u-turn-affordable-homes-general-election-2017-manifesto-a7769866.html

In addition they promise not raise tax for the wealthiest

Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon was stating the "obvious" when he told the Daily Telegraph that high earners didn't need to worry about income tax rises under the Tories, according to Iain Duncan Smith.

- BBC

and

The former work and pensions secretary told BBC Breakfast: "The Conservative party lowers tax."

Asked why this wasn't in the manifesto, he said the Tories were trying to get away from the "idea that you set out every single thing in detail saying we won't do this, we won't do that, we won't do the other because then you get a large shopping list".

So basically now their manifesto is a list of ideas that they may or may not put into practice....think they learnt something from the Brexit Leave campaign.


Otherwise there is only a "firm intention" not to raise income tax for everyone else. So that would be NI tax rises then for everyone?

In other news Boris Johnson expresses his true feelings for Ian Lavery by blowing kisses at him...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/election-2017-40140992/boris-johnson-and-labour-s-ian-lavery-have-heated-debate

I'm so pleased that we have such high quality politicians that are there to promote this country.

Finally that if last nights debate is anything to go buy how many people in this country believe the way of solving the diplomatic issues is through nuking millions of people if it is believed we are under imminent threat (whatever that is).

That we have people that think both North Korea and Iran are nuclear threats (Iran doesn't have Nuclear weapons, North Korea has no ballistic missiles that could reach the UK and no tested launched nukes).

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-on-bbc-question-time_uk_5931d353e4b0c242ca241f6e?ir=UK+Politics&utm_hp_ref=uk-politics

Though I suppose having a nuclear winter would help to offset global warming.

And finally peoples views on are always a bit of laugh to read (or generally cry about).

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-could-see-late-surge-in-support-from-ex-ukip-voters-huffpost-uk-edelman-focus-group-finds_uk_593134f2e4b0c242ca22de31?qs2&utm_hp_ref=uk

For example some outstanding quotes "“The Labour one [manifesto] was clear, you could read it, it had pictures. We just need simple information.” So we can expect comic book style manifestos in the future.

or "Nigel Farage was a people person. He got us Brexit.”

“The government controls where people are living. Controls whether you can smoke, where you can smoke. And I feel frustrated about that.”

I mean I know I'm anti-Tory, but they really aren't that bad. One would think we are in North Korea.

Apparently not singing the national anthem in 2015 at the Battle of Britain service is also an election issue for Corbyn...

I find that such laws do pretty much allow the government to dictate what you can and can't think. And they're selective in enforcing them too.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:


We're in agreement for once. I don't care what party came up with this, whether Left Wing or Right Wing...its a bad, authoritarian policy that would give a Government far too much power.

Do you know which party this is so I can not vote for them?

I would hazard a guess (but it is a guess) at either BNP or UKIP but I'm not going to bother reading their manifestos to find out.

So it's not Labour for once?

 Future War Cultist wrote:
So it's not Labour for once?

I would have thought if Labour had proposed to suggest that there was some form of Cultural Law that we would have to comply with the papers would have been all over it, so no I don't think so, but then I haven't seen exactly which manifesto it came out of.

I see there's even more evidence of Boris giving an overall good impression of what the UK is like. Can you imagine if Corbyn had called someone a "big girl's blouse"

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnson-blows-a-kiss-at-ian-lavery-and-calls-andrew-gwynne-a-big-girls-blouse_uk_593282e9e4b02478cb9bd98a?ir=UK+Politics&utm_hp_ref=uk-politics

 Whirlwind wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:


We're in agreement for once. I don't care what party came up with this, whether Left Wing or Right Wing...its a bad, authoritarian policy that would give a Government far too much power.

Do you know which party this is so I can not vote for them?

I would hazard a guess (but it is a guess) at either BNP or UKIP but I'm not going to bother reading their manifestos to find out.

Assuming that the quote is 100% word for word accurate, then its not UKIP. A Ctrl-F search on their manifesto only brings up this:

Include information on cultural crimes in safeguarding training for teachers, staff and school governors.

Its not the BNP either.

Its not Labour...

Its not the Conservatives...

Its not the SNP.

Can't find any mention of "Cultural Crimes" in any of their manifestos.

I'd check the Liberal Democrat and Green Party manifestos but they've broken up their manifestos into dozens of separate pages and downloads and I just can't be arsed.

BNP even bothered to write a manifesto?

That's a question in itself.

I've only just come across this article but it appears we now have the joint worse growth of any of the G7 nations...

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/31/uk-comes-bottom-of-the-g7-growth-league-as-canada-takes-the-lead

I presume we'll be languishing around here for some time.

It may surprise some people here that I've decided to vote for my incumbent Labour MP, Phil Wilson (Sedgefield). I loathe all 3 of the main English parties (Labour, Conservatives and Liberal Democrats) equally, so I've decided for the first time not to vote for a party, but to vote for an individual MP instead (which under a FPTP Parliament is what we should all be doing really).

This isn't because I support the Labour party itself (I don't), its a vote of support for Phil Wilson as an individual. He's done good things for my constituency, is local, and he's on record as being an opponent of Corbyn. So as much as I dislike Corbyn, I can at least rely on my MP to be a bit of a rebel on the Labour backbenches and resist Corbyn's worst excesses.

Meanwhile, the Conservative candidate (Dehenna Davison) is a joke, and an insult to the Constituency. She's been caught out lying about Phil Wilson's voting record, caught out lying about where she lives, caught out exaggerating her career. She's fresh out of university, and has been parachuted in by the Tories. I know a poor Candidate when I see one. I would vote UKIP again, but frankly they've served their purpose (Brexit) and I think theres no going back on Brexit now, even Corbyn accepts it. So to keep out a Candidate I dislike, I'm voting for a Candidate representing a party I dislike.

...

Its either that, or I gak on my ballot paper.

I think you're doing the right thing.

I just hope Corbyn doesn't get in. Dear god I hope he doesn't get in.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
I think you're doing the right thing.

I just hope Corbyn doesn't get in. Dear god I hope he doesn't get in.

Yeah. I mean some of his stuff I agree with and makes good sense.
But his spending, other things just put ne off.

There's something happening on London Bridge.

@ jhe90

What I hope happens is that he's beat, but by not enough to get rid of him. God forbid another Tony Blair type comes along.

A van plowing into pedestrians.

A bit worrying. Especially considering my girlfriend was going to be going through there up until a few hours ago. Suddenly extremely glad our plans were cancelled.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
God forbid another Tony Blair type comes along.

True story. We've had two decades of the same party on either side of the house and we've now actually got two distinct ones. It'd be a horrible shame if the PLP were able to drag the party back to the right again. Whether you like Corbyn or not, having an actual choice is kinda the basis for the whol shebang!

@ Ketara

Thank god they were cancelled then! I really hope everyone out there is OK.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
@ Ketara

Thank god they were cancelled then! I really hope everyone out there is OK.

That was close call.
Good job that cancelled. The fates looked after you today.

Every. Fething. Month.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Every. Fething. Month.

If this is terrorism (as it's starting to seem), then it's the 7th attack since 2008...

What are you talking about? I've counted ten from the last three years. Five in France, three here in the U.K, one in Belgium and one in Germany. And those are only the ones I can remember off the top of my head.

nfe wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Every. Fething. Month.

If this is terrorism (as it's starting to seem), then it's the 7th attack since 2008...

Given the reaction by police forces this is a terror attack.
And reports of a active incident at a market, stabbings at a resturaunt, some reports of gunfire, sustained.

Its a fething attack alright.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
What are you talking about? I've counted ten from the last three years.

In the UK? Got a list? I was a little surprised it was as low as seven when I went to check, but then when I thought about it I couldn't have even named all of those off the top of my head.

nfe wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Every. Fething. Month.

If this is terrorism (as it's starting to seem), then it's the 7th attack since 2008...

In Britain, maybe. I'm thinking about Europe as a whole.

And something's happening in Turin too.

At this stage I'm almost numb to it.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

nfe wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Every. Fething. Month.

If this is terrorism (as it's starting to seem), then it's the 7th attack since 2008...

In Britain, maybe. I'm thinking about Europe as a whole.

Gotcha. Two (previous) this year and eight last year, then. That's not to take away from the seriousness at all, but we shouldn't encourage living in fear of these spanks by overstating their regularity.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
And something's happening in Turin too.

At this stage I'm almost numb to it.

Damn... These gak holes are testing my ability to keep inside the filter ..

nfe wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

nfe wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Every. Fething. Month.

If this is terrorism (as it's starting to seem), then it's the 7th attack since 2008...

In Britain, maybe. I'm thinking about Europe as a whole.

Gotcha. Two (previous) this year and eight last year, then. That's not to take away from the seriousness at all, but we shouldn't encourage living in fear of these spanks by overstating their regularity.

So......you're quibbling he said 'every month' instead of 'every two months?