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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I got soaked to the bone doing my civic duty. Bloody rain!

Pretty wet here, too. Doesn't help in getting the youth vote out, alas.

nfe wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I got soaked to the bone doing my civic duty. Bloody rain!

Pretty wet here, too. Doesn't help in getting the youth vote out, alas.

I think those 'evil' pensioners will give the Tories the edge and vote them to victory. The old people I know are usually up at 4 am or 4 30 am if they're having a lie in

Most of them have probably voted by now and are probably sitting down to lunch.

It's a cliché, but if we're relying on students and youth, we're in trouble. Most will probably be in bed, and even then, they won't find the polling station without their iphones.

Bloody students

Traditionally, wet weather would lead to a Tory victory. As they were usually more wealthy, and could drive or hire a cab, vs. Labour voters having to walk or catch public transport. True story!

I wonder if the new Tory policy of winter fuel being means tested will affect the grey vote (actually one of their policies that I agree with, it shows something of the Tory supporter surplus that they would risk the grey wrath)

For a bit of levity:

https://twitter.com/glnta7777/status/872715474047467520

Farage with the grenade at the end

I'll have to have a peak at the voter registration sheets tonight again. Last time I turned up late in the evening to vote and the station was pretty dead. Looking at the sheet though only my own name and my father's (who'd been out earlier) had been checked off in my area to say we voted.

Democracy...

 Pacific wrote:
Traditionally, wet weather would lead to a Tory victory. As they were usually more wealthy, and could drive or hire a cab, vs. Labour voters having to walk or catch public transport. True story!

I wonder if the new Tory policy of winter fuel being means tested will affect the grey vote (actually one of their policies that I agree with, it shows something of the Tory supporter surplus that they would risk the grey wrath)

Are you saying that lack of umbrellas for Labour voters could cost Corbyn?

The grey vote, IMO, don't rate May, but for 30 years, they've been drip fed a diet of Labour are Marxists, winter of discontent will return, trade unions will pull the stings etc etc

so yeah, they'll hold their noses and vote for May despite the damage it could do to them.

Only 5 my area.

Main 3, ukip, green. No BNP, or trade unions, or any independents.

3 of 5 live in area, greens nd lib dem do not. They might soffer for that.

Yeah and weather tad wet but I can drive so regardless of huricanes I could of voted!

I had the great pleasure of voting against Paul Nuttall.
It made the whole experience very rewarding.

On The Guardian front page at the moment is a rolling set of photos of the party leaders voting. One is of Tim Farron voting at The Stonecross Hotel in Kendal, where I just voted too, for him. In the rain, obviously.

I voted. For Alliance. I can overlook their very pro EU stance because they try to raise above the sectarian nonsense here to do grown up politics.

And funny story. My brother, the Corbynista who never ever shuts up about politics, didn't vote. He didn't even bother to register to vote! He says there's no point!

Whelp, in my opinion he's lost the right to complain. Now when he starts whinging about Trump/May or whatever I can shut him down right there and then.

 Darkjim wrote:
On The Guardian front page at the moment is a rolling set of photos of the party leaders voting. One is of Tim Farron voting at The Stonecross Hotel in Kendal, where I just voted too, for him. In the rain, obviously.

Lovely part of the world and the mint cake


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 r_squared wrote:
I had the great pleasure of voting against Paul Nuttall.
It made the whole experience very rewarding.

He was never going to win.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
I voted. For Alliance. I can overlook their very pro EU stance because they try to raise above the sectarian nonsense here to do grown up politics.

And funny story. My brother, the Corbynista who never ever shuts up about politics, didn't vote. He didn't even bother to register to vote! He says there's no point!

Whelp, in my opinion he's lost the right to complain. Now when he starts whinging about Trump/May or whatever I can shut him down right there and then.

Yeah. You ain't gonna get him in number 10 not voting.

Bit the bullet and voted Lib Dem. Might as well help the tea girl at the local Lib Dem office get a bit of a boost since I can't bring myself to vote Con/Lab. I don't agree with them on Brexit and Farron's a nob, but there's no chance of them winning, so no harm done.

 jhe90 wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
I voted. For Alliance. I can overlook their very pro EU stance because they try to raise above the sectarian nonsense here to do grown up politics.

And funny story. My brother, the Corbynista who never ever shuts up about politics, didn't vote. He didn't even bother to register to vote! He says there's no point!

Whelp, in my opinion he's lost the right to complain. Now when he starts whinging about Trump/May or whatever I can shut him down right there and then.

Yeah. You ain't gonna get him in number 10 not voting.

It's the EU referendum again. His kind didn't want to leave but didn't bother to vote and then cried over the result. What do you expect?

 Ketara wrote:
Bit the bullet and voted Lib Dem. Might as well help the tea girl at the local Lib Dem office get a bit of a boost since I can't bring myself to vote Con/Lab. I don't agree with them on Brexit and Farron's a nob, but there's no chance of them winning, so no harm done.

Was rather hoping you'd walk in there with a copy of Das Kapital tucked under your arm, start shouting power to the people, and then vote for the trade unionist guy


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 Future War Cultist wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
I voted. For Alliance. I can overlook their very pro EU stance because they try to raise above the sectarian nonsense here to do grown up politics.

And funny story. My brother, the Corbynista who never ever shuts up about politics, didn't vote. He didn't even bother to register to vote! He says there's no point!

Whelp, in my opinion he's lost the right to complain. Now when he starts whinging about Trump/May or whatever I can shut him down right there and then.

Yeah. You ain't gonna get him in number 10 not voting.

It's the EU referendum again. His kind didn't want to leave but didn't bother to vote and then cried over the result. What do you expect?

People not voting gets my goat as well. Even somebody who turns up and spoils their ballot gets respect in my book.

 Future War Cultist wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
I voted. For Alliance. I can overlook their very pro EU stance because they try to raise above the sectarian nonsense here to do grown up politics.

And funny story. My brother, the Corbynista who never ever shuts up about politics, didn't vote. He didn't even bother to register to vote! He says there's no point!

Whelp, in my opinion he's lost the right to complain. Now when he starts whinging about Trump/May or whatever I can shut him down right there and then.

Yeah. You ain't gonna get him in number 10 not voting.

It's the EU referendum again. His kind didn't want to leave but didn't bother to vote and then cried over the result. What do you expect?

Gah. There annoying. So so very annoying.

Feth it, cast my vote for Phil Wilson. Of the candidates, only Phil Wilson and the UKIP candidate are actually local. I dislike the Labour party, and Corbyn in particular even if I do agree with him on certain issues (nhs, renationalize rail, stop interfering in the middle east etc). But Phil Wilson as an individual MP has done right by my home town.

The Tory candidate is an Insult to our constituency. She's not local, she's exaggerated her career, she's lied about Phil Wilson's voting record, and she's far too young only 24 and still at university so she has little life experience (I'm only 26 myself, this isn't an age bias thing). And worst of all, she's made it clear that she's only standing to support Theresa May on Brexit. She has very little to say about the actual.issues directly affecting the constituency.

Dehenna Davison is the sort of candidate that a party nominates just to keep up appearances, someone who's not expected to win.but you need to look like you at least made an effort.

It's a moot point anyway though as sedgefield is a safe Labour seat. Coulda just drove.on past.the polling station on my way home and I wouldn't have gotten soaked and I'd still get Phil Wilson as an Mp

When does the polls close and will we know the outcome today?

10pm and sometime tomorrow morning.

 whembly wrote:
When does the polls close and will we know the outcome today?

Polling closes 10PM

If in queues you can vite long as you in line before the cut off time. so that could delay count abit.

first declare about 11PM

we should know the result by 5-6AM for who got a majority, Misc seats and recounts declare after the Majority normally declared and we know who is running the nation.
(May differ if Hung Parliment and negotiations and coalitions come into play)

In 2015, the SNP nearly broke Jeremy Vine's swing-o-meter, so I'm hoping for more of the same today

Long lines at universities, so it looks like students have awoken. Lazy gits


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 whembly wrote:
When does the polls close and will we know the outcome today?

I don't like to boast, but there's no sign of wikileaks or Russians in our election.

I suppose we're not that important anymore


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 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
10pm and sometime tomorrow morning.

10pm and 11pm if you live in Sunderland. Fixed that for you.

ref :

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/727725.page




Our current PM there helping to sell off part of out National Grid to Qatar -- Oh and China.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/national-grid-sells-shares-china-qatar-investors-a7463256.html


IIRC deal went through in March this year.

...... but Corbyn met people from the IRA .....

 Ketara wrote:
. I don't agree with them on Brexit and Farron's a nob, but there's no chance of them winning, so no harm done.

Well apparently a nob is a person of social distinction according to the dictionary so it seems that he has won you around.

In other news new polls results show no one is voting Con/Lab and LD are going to get a vast majority....


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 Darkjim wrote:
On The Guardian front page at the moment is a rolling set of photos of the party leaders voting. One is of Tim Farron voting at The Stonecross Hotel in Kendal, where I just voted too, for him. In the rain, obviously.

Did you see the extremist one on one action at the polling booth there...it appears that media turf wars have broken out now

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/polling-booths_uk_59394329e4b0b13f2c67a154?utm_hp_ref=uk


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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


I don't like to boast, but there's no sign of wikileaks or Russians in our election.

I suppose we're not that important anymore

Yep no reason to mess with the elections when we can shoot ourselves in the foot, head and stomach all at the same time anyway without foreign intervention!

May's so incompetent that they probably want her in.


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 reds8n wrote:
ref :

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/727725.page

Spoiler:

Our current PM there helping to sell off part of out National Grid to Qatar -- Oh and China.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/national-grid-sells-shares-china-qatar-investors-a7463256.html


IIRC deal went through in March this year.

...... but Corbyn met people from the IRA .....

Well I hope you all have solar power because Saturday the rest of the Middle East will stop selling us oil...

Yeah it's good to know that the media will provide a balanced view on the world. It's not like the Tories and New Labour didn't also meet with IRA representatives for talks. But with Corbyn being ahead of time that is to be condemned!

Well I've voted. Went with labour not because I really support them (would much prefer LD and much much prefer Greens) but to get any semblance of political discussions going in the area the Tory majority has got to come down first.

 reds8n wrote:
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Our current PM there helping to sell off part of out National Grid to Qatar -- Oh and China.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/national-grid-sells-shares-china-qatar-investors-a7463256.html


IIRC deal went through in March this year.

...... but Corbyn met people from the IRA .....

This is the sort of thing that bothers me the most about the conservatives, why do they think that it's perfectly OK to sell our core infrastructure to foreign, state owned companies.
I can imagine it's only because it passes the entire cost onto the population, so instead of paying smaller amounts through taxes, we get to pay more subject to the whims of a foreign state. It's the exact opposite of "taking back control", but they all seem to love the idea.

 jhe90 wrote:

 whembly wrote:
When does the polls close and will we know the outcome today?

Polling closes 10PM

If in queues you can vite long as you in line before the cut off time. so that could delay count abit.

first declare about 11PM

we should know the result by 5-6AM for who got a majority, Misc seats and recounts declare after the Majority normally declared and we know who is running the nation.
(May differ if Hung Parliment and negotiations and coalitions come into play)

Thanks all!

So for those states-side... poll closes at 4pm CT

Nate Silver weighed in for a bit:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-three-scenarios-for-the-u-k-election/

Scenario No. 1: Narrow-ish Conservative majority
Scenario No. 2: Conservative landslide
Scenario No. 3: Conservatives lose their majority

 Whirlwind wrote:

 Darkjim wrote:
On The Guardian front page at the moment is a rolling set of photos of the party leaders voting. One is of Tim Farron voting at The Stonecross Hotel in Kendal, where I just voted too, for him. In the rain, obviously.

Did you see the extremist one on one action at the polling booth there...it appears that media turf wars have broken out now

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/polling-booths_uk_59394329e4b0b13f2c67a154?utm_hp_ref=uk

I missed the excitement sadly, but it made the Beeb too -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40201908/media-scuffle-outside-polling-station

Cameraman handbags because they're all in a bad mood getting sent up here to stand around in the rain

 Darkjim wrote:

 Whirlwind wrote:

 Darkjim wrote:
On The Guardian front page at the moment is a rolling set of photos of the party leaders voting. One is of Tim Farron voting at The Stonecross Hotel in Kendal, where I just voted too, for him. In the rain, obviously.

Did you see the extremist one on one action at the polling booth there...it appears that media turf wars have broken out now

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/polling-booths_uk_59394329e4b0b13f2c67a154?utm_hp_ref=uk

I missed the excitement sadly, but it made the Beeb too -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40201908/media-scuffle-outside-polling-station

Cameraman handbags because they're all in a bad mood getting sent up here to stand around in the rain

I assumed it was the Mirror and Daily Mirror reporters to coming to a disagreement. Do you think we can report them to the police for assault?


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 whembly wrote:


So for those states-side... poll closes at 4pm CT

Nate Silver weighed in for a bit:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-three-scenarios-for-the-u-k-election/

Scenario No. 1: Narrow-ish Conservative majority
Scenario No. 2: Conservative landslide
Scenario No. 3: Conservatives lose their majority

The only issue I'd take with the report is that it mentions about the popular vote but that's not really correct. Our system works on voting for a local MP and those with the most get to form a government. In almost all cases no party gets the popular vote majority and there are always more people that vote against the winning party than for it. The issue is that we have a first past the post system (FPTP) which means a 40-45%% vote share can get you anywhere between about 40% to 70% of the total number of seats. The system massively favour the two main parties (Tories and Labour) and mostly Tory because of the way boundaries are drawn for each MP. This makes it actually very hard for smaller parties (even those with 10% of the vote overall to get a good a representation in parliament). Hence a lot of people become disenfranchised with the system because their vote simply doesn't count in areas where one party has a vast majority. The reason our polls have difficulties predicting results is that each constituency for an MP can be widely different. If you poll people all in the same types of region then it can artificially raise the chances of a party winning because it might not be representative across the whole country (and noting the conservatives want to change boundaries to make the system more biased towards them needing less votes to form a government).

There are continuing calls to change the system to proportional representation as a fairer way of representing the populace in the parliament but Tories/Labour are resistant to the idea because they have the most to lose from the situation, however it does lead to the situation where a minority can dictate the future of the country. Regardless of the result this evening 60% (i.e. much greater than the result of the Wrexit result) of the voting population are not going to be happy tomorrow.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
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What will happen to Corbyn though if he loses? Kinnock got another chance after losing 1987, but the Blairites might have the knives out for Corbyn. They have been itching to use them for weeks.

The point is that Corbyn will look good just by not getting steamrollered.

 Whirlwind wrote:

 Darkjim wrote:

 Whirlwind wrote:

 Darkjim wrote:
On The Guardian front page at the moment is a rolling set of photos of the party leaders voting. One is of Tim Farron voting at The Stonecross Hotel in Kendal, where I just voted too, for him. In the rain, obviously.

Did you see the extremist one on one action at the polling booth there...it appears that media turf wars have broken out now

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/polling-booths_uk_59394329e4b0b13f2c67a154?utm_hp_ref=uk

I missed the excitement sadly, but it made the Beeb too -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40201908/media-scuffle-outside-polling-station

Cameraman handbags because they're all in a bad mood getting sent up here to stand around in the rain

I assumed it was the Mirror and Daily Mirror reporters to coming to a disagreement. Do you think we can report them to the police for assault?

I thought it would be Mail vs Express, trying to get the shot of him looking most wide eyed and a bit weird. I have met a lot of gamers with that expression, when they get on their favourite army or somesuch, he just looks sincere to me.

I will happily concede he is a bit of a nob (based on the classical Young Ones usage), and I certainly don't agree with some of his views (the ones he generally keeps much to himself, except when asked about them, to the exclusion of everything else, for days on end, in sharp contrast to the treatment many other politicians receive), however he has seemed to me in my 2 years here to be an excellent MP. He is very active round here despite being party leader (and yes, they are so few MPs he could do it on XBOX Live, I still think there's probably quite a lot of work involved), and was, I think, great during the floods, popping up everywhere like there was 4 of him for a few weeks. Also has worked very hard backing a campaign to keep a local mental health unit open, and generally promote the area every way he can. Good enough for me.

Plus, I 've never actually voted for the winning candidate in a General Election, despite probably 6 or 7 goes, so I hope he makes it. The Tories have made a very strong push round here so they must think him vulnerable.

 Whirlwind wrote:

 Ketara wrote:
. I don't agree with them on Brexit and Farron's a nob, but there's no chance of them winning, so no harm done.

Well apparently a nob is a person of social distinction according to the dictionary so it seems that he has won you around.

In other news new polls results s show no one is voting Con/Lab and LD are going to get a vast majority....

Don't, you'll make me cry.