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So Scotland has gone more Tory and England has gone a bit more Labour. Some people are saying this is a rejection of isolationism. Pro unionism in Scotland and against a hard brexit elsewhere.
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"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
If the Tory party form a government supported by the DUP, which looks likely, they will STILL be in a minority on anything that's subject to EVEL, which the DUP and dozen-odd Scottish Tories can't vote on. Like the NHS, for example.
And Brexit? Brexit negotiations start in a week. Possibly with the downing street cat, who looks like being the only creature with a reasonable certainty of staying there. Expect tough talk about inport/export duties on Whiskas.
Oh, no wait, I think with EVEL the Torys have a majority in England.
I'm very confused.
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I think the country needs a little yoga time. The Tory party are the largest party by a long way. Labour have done well no doubt but defeat is never victory no matter how hard you spin it. Corbyn is an old man. 5 years will he still be PM material? (If a career protester ever was)
Cons can form a government quite easily.
Situation is far from ideal in anyone's book. Apart from people who thrive off chaos. But it's workable. Let's relax and let the winners take a look around.
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oh good eh ?!
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
welshhoppo wrote: Con and DUP will take it to at least 325. Considering Sinn Fenn don't actually take their seats it's workable.
SNP got shafted though, losing that many seats in 2 years shows that Scotland is sick of Indyref2.
SNP yeah, they got a clear message. Salmon, deputy leader, even I think Westminster leader down too.
Scotland told them to I'm thinking concentrate on Scotland and not independence.
Also...
Just saw some figures. Nutell, UKIP vote down 26%. They where 7k behind second place labour, con took it with least 10k majority and UKIP got left on 3k.
There dead Jim..
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
wuestenfux wrote: What the hell is going on in UK.
Strengthening Brexit talks was the aim, but now Brexit talks seem to get washed.
You've got to remember almost half the country was against Brexit.
Another emerging narrative is that the collapse in UKIP support was not anti-EU conservatives going home, it was anti-EU Labour voters going home.
A lot of the reason for people voting to leave the EU was because they were disgruntled working class in bad circumstances that they blamed on globalisation, the EU and the urban elite who like it. Corbyn for the first time in a generation offers a genuinely left-wing vision.
Why do they bother?
They stand and get never attend, never do anything. Local people get zero representative members, and do we still pay them a nice salary?
...
Also Mansfield. Labour MP who held since 1987 is out replaced by conservative. 30 years, one MP in every election.
Damn...
I gotta also say that's a very very long time to be in... Term limits, new blood anyone?
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
tneva82 wrote: BTW out of curiosity is it normal expected result for single group get majority and anything other than that is abnormal in UK? As in Finland one party getting more than 25% would be huge victory. One party getting absolute majority would be unheard of in here. 2 parties combining for majority is pretty rare I think. Usually it's 3 parties needed to form a goverment strong enough it won't breeze over by one or two members missing critical vote of no-confidence.
For most of the past 40 years, we've had 3 party politics (the rest pretty irrelevant), whereby 1 party rarely gets the majority of votes, but because of First Past the Post, does get the majority of seats and so forms a majority government, UKIP made it four party politics for a while, in terms of vote share at least. In 2010 when no party got an overall majority, we had a coalition of 2 parties to form the majority.
What has changed tonight, is (in England at least) we are back to 2 party politics. The Lib Dems were more or less wiped out 2 years ago and have made very little ground back, and now UKIP have lost virtually all of the 10% or so the vote share they had, so it's now just the Tories and Labour. Those leaving UKIP have split between the Tories and Labour a lot more evenly than was expected (though still in the Tories favour), hence what we currently seem to be heading for, which is a reduced Tory majority / no majority at all. Scotland has saved the Tories, lots of ramifications up there too.
Thanks for the explanation. For Finn when we have 3-4 big parties fighting between 15-23% shares plus smaller ones <10% and system that doesn't give any huge boost to seats compared to % they got(I think last had 0.1% difference with 1 seat more for the smaller party) idea of one party having absolute majority feels unusual. Don't think we have ever had that in Finland! It's always 2 big ones(maybe 3 now that there has been 4 big ones) and n smaller ones combining.
welshhoppo wrote: Con and DUP will take it to at least 325. Considering Sinn Fenn don't actually take their seats it's workable.
SNP got shafted though, losing that many seats in 2 years shows that Scotland is sick of Indyref2.
SNP yeah, they got a clear message. Salmon, deputy leader, even I think Westminster leader down too.
Scotland told them to I'm thinking concentrate on Scotland and not independence.
Also...
Just saw some figures. Nutell, UKIP vote down 26%. They where 7k behind second place labour, con took it with least 10k majority and UKIP got left on 3k.
There dead Jim..
That's because UKIP lived the dream. They are the dog that caught a car and returned it to its owner.
But it's not just Scotland, it looks like this whole country is littered with cracks. North/South divide, Indyref2/Unionist divide, Young/Old Divide and Remainer/Leaver divide. And a lot of it is caused by mass finger pointing. Some of the comments I've seen from people are disgusting. You have Remainers calling Leavists bigoted racists, I've seen Labour supports call Tory supporters murders, I've seen Tory supports tell labour supports they are Marxist bigots. The list just goes on and on.
And it has really shown in this election. We need a break and some couples therapy.
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welshhoppo wrote: Con and DUP will take it to at least 325. Considering Sinn Fenn don't actually take their seats it's workable.
SNP got shafted though, losing that many seats in 2 years shows that Scotland is sick of Indyref2.
SNP yeah, they got a clear message. Salmon, deputy leader, even I think Westminster leader down too.
Scotland told them to I'm thinking concentrate on Scotland and not independence.
Also...
Just saw some figures. Nutell, UKIP vote down 26%. They where 7k behind second place labour, con took it with least 10k majority and UKIP got left on 3k.
There dead Jim..
That's because UKIP lived the dream. They are the dog that caught a car and returned it to its owner.
But it's not just Scotland, it looks like this whole country is littered with cracks. North/South divide, Indyref2/Unionist divide, Young/Old Divide and Remainer/Leaver divide. And a lot of it is caused by mass finger pointing. Some of the comments I've seen from people are disgusting. You have Remainers calling Leavists bigoted racists, I've seen Labour supports call Tory supporters murders, I've seen Tory supports tell labour supports they are Marxist bigots. The list just goes on and on.
And it has really shown in this election. We need a break and some couples therapy.
We need a few years to try and close those cracks not a new election in 1-2 months.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
I suppose I was right about Nick Clegg, and wrong about everything else, so I'm happy to put my hand up and say I got it wrong...
But last week I did warn that a hung parliament would be a fething disaster for Britain, and so it's come to pass...
We have a lame duck Prime minister, at the mercy of hard core Tory backbenchers, and in 11 days time, Brexit negotiations start.
The French and Germans will rip us to shreds. We're a laughing stock.
What a fething shambles.
I have warned people for years that the Conservative party comes before the national interest, and it's happened again, and people still vote for them
We deserve everything we get...
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Well this really had turned into quite a mess. At least, hopefully the DUP will make it big quite as big a mess as it could have been.
Bit all things being equal, for the way things are right now, my guy says we needed a solid majority, either Labour or Tory than something as weak as we have.
Word from Brussels is that talks will be delayed because they don't know who they will be dealing with.
We're a laughing stock...
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
If the Tory party form a government supported by the DUP, which looks likely, they will STILL be in a minority on anything that's subject to EVEL, which the DUP and dozen-odd Scottish Tories can't vote on. Like the NHS, for example.
And Brexit? Brexit negotiations start in a week. Possibly with the downing street cat, who looks like being the only creature with a reasonable certainty of staying there. Expect tough talk about inport/export duties on Whiskas.
Oh, no wait, I think with EVEL the Torys have a majority in England.
I'm very confused.
Did EVEL actually come into effect? It looks like it's all just consultations and posturing at the moment?
That's a good point, because all those Scottish Tory MPs won't be able to vote on a lot of stuff because of EVEL.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Compel wrote: Well this really had turned into quite a mess. At least, hopefully the DUP will make it big quite as big a mess as it could have been.
Bit all things being equal, for the way things are right now, my guy says we needed a solid majority, either Labour or Tory than something as weak as we have.
We need a majority.
Labour. Con, coalition, do not matter at this point. Wr just need a strong, and fairly stable government.
Not a minority that collapses on one bad vote.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
Congratulations have to be given to Corbyn for his campaign, his party did far better than I expected.
The climate at the moment seems to favour the political insurgent; Trumpy, Macron and Corbyn have defined the odds in elections and posted higher numbers than expected.
What implications will this have on the edifice that is Merkel? Who knows.
I think we can definitely say that Momentum have completed their takeover of Labour now though, I anticipate that hard line, left wing policies will define Labour for a while at least.
Like all of us I am looking for the glimmers of hope for my own personal preference.
Teresa May conducted one of the worst Conservative campaigns in memory and still leads the biggest party which looks like it can form the government with help from the DUP.
Therefore, I think the signs are that right wing positions on the issues are still very popular amongst the voters.
With a better leader (Ruth Davidson perhaps?) I can still see potential for a bright future for the Conservatives despite being in government, and not a return to the 'toxic tory' years of IDS and Michael Howard..
One final thought, is there anything more glorious than Alex Salmond loosing his seat to a Tory? Haha!
I wasn't a fan of Corbyn but seeing the original vermin party, whose nonsense has already resulted in Brexit, get such a bloody nose is really quite glorious.
The light of the very poorest, the gutting of the NHS, education and the police, the unnecessary continuation of an austerity policy that has shrunk the economy aren't going to be solved by this election, tragically, but simply the look on the prominent Tories' faces has made it all worth it.
But the best thing about this is that young people have effectively fought back against the depredations of the old, who have been steadily kicking the ladders out from under them over the last seven years.
I'm welcoming the chaos. We deserve this for a little while.
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Word from Brussels is that talks will be delayed because they don't know who they will be dealing with.
We're a laughing stock...
And with 2 year time limit ticking no deal exit looks more and more likely.
It's not often I agree with you, but you're 100% right this time.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
ekwatts wrote: I wasn't a fan of Corbyn but seeing the original vermin party, whose nonsense has already resulted in Brexit, get such a bloody nose is really quite glorious.
The light of the very poorest, the gutting of the NHS, education and the police, the unnecessary continuation of an austerity policy that has shrunk the economy aren't going to be solved by this election, tragically, but simply the look on the prominent Tories' faces has made it all worth it.
But the best thing about this is that young people have effectively fought back against the depredations of the old, who have been steadily kicking the ladders out from under them over the last seven years.
I'm welcoming the chaos. We deserve this for a little while.
Ladders have been kicked away for at least 20 years.
Otherwise, totally agree
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