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2017/07/04 15:37:11
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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In my ideal United Kingdom, each of the countries would have their own parliament with their own government (that includes England) who govern their own affairs and raise their own taxes. I think we're close to that already.
Then above that would be the democratically elected House of Lords (with a new name?) who control defense, foreign affairs, the currancy and all things that need to be decided at the national level like the Highway Code etc. There's about 100 counties across the whole of the uk. If you had a lord for each of them, plus one for the bigger cities, I think that would come to about 130-150 lords. Whilst English lords would make up about half of that number, the others combined would roughly equal it. Plus you can assume an unofficial north south devide within those English lords, hopefully meaning that power won't be too focused on one region.
These lords would also be elected on longer terms (at least seven years) to allow longer planning, so that whilst they are accountable to voters they won't be spending their time pursuing quick results rashly. I haven't ironed out a lot of the details but it's something I think about from time to time.
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2017/07/04 16:51:47
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
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2017/07/04 18:22:02
Subject: The UK General Election
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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Y'think?
In other news, man who shoved his diddler in a blender regrets decision, and man that swallowed arsenic for a dare considers the wisdom of agreeing.
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2017/07/04 18:40:23
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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Honestly, that seems like a stretched interpretation of that Twitter conversation.
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2017/07/04 19:03:41
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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My idea is "The Peoples' Lords". This would be a senior house containing a mixture of members elected by proportional representation from lists put forwards by the various parties, and some members appointed from a list compiled by popular acclamation of the general public by internet voting. Anyone could apply to be on the popular list, e.g Jeremy Clarkson, your local primary school lollipop lady, or the Chief Rabbi.
The mixture would be 70:30 political to popular. Terms would be varied to ensure the country had a chance to elect and reelect members separately to the House of Commons general election cycle.
As a democratically elected house, the Peoples' Lords would have the legal right to block or recommend changes to bills sent up from the Commons.
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2017/07/04 19:18:48
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Lord of the Fleet
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 Kilkrazy wrote:
My idea is "The Peoples' Lords". This would be a senior house containing a mixture of members elected by proportional representation from lists put forwards by the various parties, and some members appointed from a list compiled by popular acclamation of the general public by internet voting. Anyone could apply to be on the popular list, e.g Jeremy Clarkson, your local primary school lollipop lady, or the Chief Rabbi.
The mixture would be 70:30 political to popular. Terms would be varied to ensure the country had a chance to elect and reelect members separately to the House of Commons general election cycle.
As a democratically elected house, the Peoples' Lords would have the legal right to block or recommend changes to bills sent up from the Commons.
It would fail on a scale not yet seen before in government, save maybe the collapse of the Mayan Civilization. Stop and think about what you're suggesting, you want to add more idiots from the public to the Government, rather than less, and you want ot make it a popularity contest? and have INTERNET VOTING?
'Lord Lolcats wishes to speak on the subject...."
Picture Dakka and then picture all of them as your new House of UnLords. England would Burn.
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Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
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2017/07/04 19:20:18
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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Do you want Pepe the Frog sitting in the House of Lords? Because this is how you get Pepe the Frog sitting in the House of Lords. 
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2017/07/04 19:33:25
Subject: The UK General Election
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Lord of the Fleet
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Let me make a suggestion on how to 'fix' the house of lords. don't.
No, seriously, you're talking about an electorate that cannot be trusted to wipe their own arse being entrusted with the long term future of England. Something they've shown many times, not just Brexit, that they are utterly incapable of dealing with.
You'd have Lord Trump in the very first vote, and the abyss yawns below you from there.
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Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
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2017/07/04 20:06:47
Subject: The UK General Election
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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 BaronIveagh wrote:You'd have Lord Trump in the very first vote, and the abyss yawns below you from there.
More like Corbyn.
Corbyn is our version of Trump.
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2017/07/04 20:11:21
Subject: The UK General Election
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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You keep saying that, but I really don't see it. How is Corbyn in any way near as bad as Trump?
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
 kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
 sebster wrote:Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
 BaronIveagh wrote:Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
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2017/07/04 20:11:52
Subject: The UK General Election
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
My secret fortress at the base of the volcano!
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I would've thought Boris Johnson would be your Trump. Mostly because of the hair.
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2017/07/04 20:19:36
Subject: The UK General Election
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
You keep saying that, but I really don't see it. How is Corbyn in any way near as bad as Trump?
Did I say that?
He's our version of Trump in that he's a reactionary populist. Doesn't mean he's "as bad as Trump", just that he's performing a similar role.
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2017/07/04 20:21:55
Subject: The UK General Election
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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By espousing a political preference he's espoused since before he became an MP and all throughout his career as an MP?
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2017/07/04 20:25:16
Subject: The UK General Election
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Co'tor Shas wrote:
You keep saying that, but I really don't see it. How is Corbyn in any way near as bad as Trump?
Did I say that?
He's our version of Trump in that he's a reactionary populist. Doesn't mean he's "as bad as Trump", just that he's performing a similar role.
What? He's leftist isn't he? Then he'd be your Sanders not your Trump. Reactionary is far right-wing.
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote:Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote:Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
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2017/07/04 20:29:17
Subject: The UK General Election
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:By espousing a political preference he's espoused since before he became an MP and all throughout his career as an MP?
I.e. populism. 
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2017/07/04 20:38:52
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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I think the name you're looking for is Nigel Farage, not Jeremy Corbyn.
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2017/07/04 20:43:31
Subject: The UK General Election
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Assassin with Black Lotus Poison
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Populism is not bad. You're thinking of demagoguery, which Corbyn is certainly not guilty of.
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
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2017/07/04 20:46:27
Subject: The UK General Election
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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Again, when did I ever say Corbyn is bad, or a demagogue? He's simply our equivalent to Trump albeit from the other end of the political spectrum, an anti-establishment populist. You're all missing the fething point, to get back on topic: with a "people's house" as Kilkrazy puts it, you would get a left wing "Lord Corbyn" , not a right wing "Lord Trump" because the political momentum and public opinion now is clearly with the Left, not the Right.
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2017/07/04 20:49:17
Subject: The UK General Election
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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But he really isn't your equivalent of Trump, again, Corbyn would the the equivalent of someone like sanders, a populist left-wing politician who is also an experienced politician. Trump is a populist far-right wing politician who has absolutely no experience and have never before held political office.
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote:Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote:Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
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2017/07/04 20:50:23
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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No, its not. Nigel Farage has a fraction of the popularity of Corbyn, and Farage's popularity was fleeting. Are you seriously saying Farage is a greater populist than Corbyn?
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2017/07/04 20:51:03
Subject: The UK General Election
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Assassin with Black Lotus Poison
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Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Again, when did I ever say Corbyn is bad, or a demagogue? He's simply our equivalent to Trump albeit from the other end of the political spectrum, an anti-establishment populist.
Except Trump is a demagogue, not just a populist. If he is just a populist he is a very bad one as he has failed to actually appeal to the majority of the American populace, or even the majority of the Republican party. His populism is entirely based upon prejudice. Automatically Appended Next Post: Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: No, its not. Nigel Farage has a fraction of the popularity of Corbyn, and Farage's popularity was fleeting. Are you seriously saying Farage is a greater populist than Corbyn?
You don't have to be successful to be invoking populist ideals.
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
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2017/07/04 20:52:10
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
No, its not. Nigel Farage has a fraction of the popularity of Corbyn, and Farage's popularity was fleeting. Are you seriously saying Farage is a greater populist than Corbyn?
I'd suggest he's a better fit for "Trump-equivalent" considering the absolutely epic proportion of BS he spews and gets away with. We're not going to agree on this though, so we might as well drop it now before we inevitably derail the thread again.
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2017/07/04 21:21:04
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Master Engineer with a Brace of Pistols
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Kilkrazy wrote:
My idea is "The Peoples' Lords". This would be a senior house containing a mixture of members elected by proportional representation from lists put forwards by the various parties, and some members appointed from a list compiled by popular acclamation of the general public by internet voting. Anyone could apply to be on the popular list, e.g Jeremy Clarkson, your local primary school lollipop lady, or the Chief Rabbi.
The mixture would be 70:30 political to popular. Terms would be varied to ensure the country had a chance to elect and reelect members separately to the House of Commons general election cycle.
As a democratically elected house, the Peoples' Lords would have the legal right to block or recommend changes to bills sent up from the Commons.
Others beat to me to the punch but...no.
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2017/07/04 21:30:07
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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Imagine the candidates...
Pepe the Frog...
Lordy McLordFace...
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2017/07/04 21:37:17
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Master Engineer with a Brace of Pistols
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Lord Rick Roll...Lord Evil Kermit...Lord Doge...
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2017/07/04 22:29:17
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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To be honest though, wasn't there a suggestion to make Farage a lord the other week?
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For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back. |
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2017/07/04 22:45:09
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch
avoiding the lorax on Crion
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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:To be honest though, wasn't there a suggestion to make Farage a lord the other week?
Question time it seems.
Why not?
Might liven up BBC parlinent lords sessions
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Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all. |
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2017/07/04 22:48:40
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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 jhe90 wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote:To be honest though, wasn't there a suggestion to make Farage a lord the other week?
Question time it seems.
Why not?
Might liven up BBC parlinent lords sessions
Because the man is a raging sociopath?
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For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back. |
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2017/07/04 22:48:51
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Nasty Nob
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AlmightyWalrus wrote:To be honest though, wasn't there a suggestion to make Farage a lord the other week?
A certain section of society continually supports his enoblement, however, I'm pretty sure that her Majesty would cheerfully use the sword to lop his head off. Automatically Appended Next Post: jhe90 wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote:To be honest though, wasn't there a suggestion to make Farage a lord the other week?
Question time it seems.
Why not?
Might liven up BBC parlinent lords sessions
I cannot think of a single person less deserving of enoblement than Nigel Farage.
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2017/07/04 22:54:50
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch
avoiding the lorax on Crion
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 r_squared wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote:To be honest though, wasn't there a suggestion to make Farage a lord the other week?
A certain section of society continually supports his enoblement, however, I'm pretty sure that her Majesty would cheerfully use the sword to lop his head off.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
jhe90 wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote:To be honest though, wasn't there a suggestion to make Farage a lord the other week?
Question time it seems.
Why not?
Might liven up BBC parlinent lords sessions
I cannot think of a single person less deserving of enoblement than Nigel Farage.
They let the likes of Mandleson in...
I don,t think the standards are quite the paragons of virtue anymore.
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Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all. |
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