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Kilkrazy wrote: OMG! Totally worth wrecking our economy and international prestige to avoid!
We had Black Wednesday and the debacle of the Iraq invasion when we were in the EU, so Brexit can't be blamed for something we were doing pre-Brexit anyway.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
A healthy debate is one thing, but let's not get after each other's throats!
Besides, relax. Kronk has it all figured out!
We have football! And cheerleaders! And Bourbon!
And dodgy chicken. And funds wanting our juicy NHS. And a trade deal, in a decade, which will have us over a barrel, though admittedly we decided to lie over the barrel in the first place.
And something else so unutterably bad he is literally unutterable on here. But thanks for The Muppets
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Kilkrazy wrote: OMG! Totally worth wrecking our economy and international prestige to avoid!
We had Black Wednesday and the debacle of the Iraq invasion when we were in the EU, so Brexit can't be blamed for something we were doing pre-Brexit anyway.
A healthy debate is one thing, but let's not get after each other's throats!
Besides, relax. Kronk has it all figured out!
We have football! And cheerleaders! And Bourbon!
And dodgy chicken. And funds wanting our juicy NHS. And a trade deal, in a decade, which will have us over a barrel, though admittedly we decided to lie over the barrel in the first place.
And something else so unutterably bad he is literally unutterable on here. But thanks for The Muppets
The Muppet Show was made in Britain.
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15 minutes until a pilot wishes a minister well on her onward journey. Before she gets sacked for organising meetings that may well have been ordered by the person who's about to sack her.
nfe wrote: 15 minutes until a pilot wishes a minister well on her onward journey. Before she gets sacked for organising meetings that may well have been ordered by the person who's about to sack her.
I wonder if she has a director or consultancy position already lined up.
Kilkrazy wrote: OMG! Totally worth wrecking our economy and international prestige to avoid!
We had Black Wednesday and the debacle of the Iraq invasion when we were in the EU, so Brexit can't be blamed for something we were doing pre-Brexit anyway.
A healthy debate is one thing, but let's not get after each other's throats!
Besides, relax. Kronk has it all figured out!
We have football! And cheerleaders! And Bourbon!
And dodgy chicken. And funds wanting our juicy NHS. And a trade deal, in a decade, which will have us over a barrel, though admittedly we decided to lie over the barrel in the first place.
And something else so unutterably bad he is literally unutterable on here. But thanks for The Muppets
The EU's market share is shrinking compared to the new money of Asia and South America.
I believe that the British cargo ships should be heading for India and China, and not be stuck in the EU.
Not for a minute am I saying we should stop trading with the EU
but we should be chasing the future, not the past, and making Asia the focus for trade.
Since the EU is the best part of a decade further into trading deals with most of Asia, and have about 10x our clout, what are you expecting we'll manage to do better with regards to Asia than we get within the EU? Is this hypothetical increase in trade to Asia worth risking any of our trade with the EU?
Bear in mind that some Asian trade goes through the EU.
We already buy and sell a lot of stuff from/to Asia from within the EU.
The news coverage of Priti Patel's arrival in Britain is becoming farcical. I've had an email alert from a news app, the BBC helicopter is tracking her car from Heathrow to Downing street
and the media is treating Patel as though she were Chamberlain returning from Munich and promising peace in our time...
Country is going to the dogs. Where's the sense of perspective? It's a junior cabinet minister getting the boot, not the WARSAW pact steamrolling through Europe!
I'm confused
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
A healthy debate is one thing, but let's not get after each other's throats!
Besides, relax. Kronk has it all figured out!
We have football! And cheerleaders! And Bourbon!
Are Cheerleaders as much as they seem?
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: The news coverage of Priti Patel's arrival in Britain is becoming farcical. I've had an email alert from a news app, the BBC helicopter is tracking her car from Heathrow to Downing street
and the media is treating Patel as though she were Chamberlain returning from Munich and promising peace in our time...
Country is going to the dogs. Where's the sense of perspective? It's a junior cabinet minister getting the boot, not the WARSAW pact steamrolling through Europe!
I'm confused
The sharks can smell blood. This is not so much about Patel as what happens next. With the slim majority, party infighting and number of MPs in deep water there is a good chance we will have another election soon, and no one wants to miss that moment, not in the 24h rolling news world we live in.
insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
If there are by elections and the government loses their majority (even with the help of the DUP), there will be a lot of deal making going on out of sight. If Labour believe they can form a government they can bring a vote of no confidence. If that passes May will be forced to inform the Queen she can no longer hold the confidence of parliament and dissolve the government.
Corbyn will then be invited by the Queen to form a government if he believes he can command the confidence of parliament, then he will be PM, no general election required.
It'll piss a lot of people off and we'll get the normal ignorant squaking of "we didn't vote for that", and likely Corbyn will feel the pressure to hold a general election.
This is of course only if the current governments majority wobbles so far that it topples. There's no guarantee in that, no matter how bad it looks for May now.
Henry wrote: If there are by elections and the government loses their majority (even with the help of the DUP), there will be a lot of deal making going on out of sight. If Labour believe they can form a government they can bring a vote of no confidence. If that passes May will be forced to inform the Queen she can no longer hold the confidence of parliament and dissolve the government.
Corbyn will then be invited by the Queen to form a government if he believes he can command the confidence of parliament, then he will be PM, no general election required.
It'll piss a lot of people off and we'll get the normal ignorant squaking of "we didn't vote for that", and likely Corbyn will feel the pressure to hold a general election.
This is of course only if the current governments majority wobbles so far that it topples. There's no guarantee in that, no matter how bad it looks for May now.
If another election happens and the Tories lose, they will still likely hold more seats than Corbyn. For all his big talk about the people having spoken, and how his party should prepare for government, his showing was still utterly terrible when you looked at the figures. Gaining the barest handful of seats and remaining seventy odd behind was not a good result. If we run another election and the Tories shed twenty seats to him, they'll still have a damn sight more than him, and form the subsequent minority government. That would be an even worse result than what we have now. You think the country is running badly? Wait until it stops running at all.
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Safe seats for Tories became marginals, and they’ve done nothing to win voters since as a party.
Plus it's been constant tory scandals since the election, and the DUP seem less supportive. Tories are in an even worse position now for a GE than back in May
Considering they’ve already failed to back Frau May, I’d say they’re laughing already.
The Tories fatal flaw is again being utterly beholden to a group of fringe lunatics in their ranks. Their constant civil war now threatens to screw the entire nation.
We need them out, and the sooner the better.
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100 years on from the Russian Revolution, the British shall also revolt!
I mean seriously, it's pretty grim. I really hoped that Parliament could actually put on a unified face for Brexit. But they couldn't find Europe with both hands at the moment.
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welshhoppo wrote: 100 years on from the Russian Revolution, the British shall also revolt!
I mean seriously, it's pretty grim. I really hoped that Parliament could actually put on a unified face for Brexit. But they couldn't find Europe with both hands at the moment.
welshhoppo wrote: 100 years on from the Russian Revolution, the British shall also revolt!
I mean seriously, it's pretty grim. I really hoped that Parliament could actually put on a unified face for Brexit. But they couldn't find Europe with both hands at the moment.
Did anyone not see this coming?
I had a tiny bit of hope.
Just a little bit.
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welshhoppo wrote: 100 years on from the Russian Revolution, the British shall also revolt!
I mean seriously, it's pretty grim. I really hoped that Parliament could actually put on a unified face for Brexit. But they couldn't find Europe with both hands at the moment.
Did anyone not see this coming?
Well considering that we had a strong Tory government at the time of the Referendum, with a relatively strong PM David Cameron who explicitly promised that HE would enact Article 50 the day after the Referendum in the event of a Leave vote and lead the UK's withdrawal from the EU...then immediately broke that promise and proved himself to be a liar...
...You can hardly blame people for expecting it to go better than this.
welshhoppo wrote: 100 years on from the Russian Revolution, the British shall also revolt!
I mean seriously, it's pretty grim. I really hoped that Parliament could actually put on a unified face for Brexit. But they couldn't find Europe with both hands at the moment.
Did anyone not see this coming?
Well considering that we had a strong Tory government at the time of the Referendum, with a relatively strong PM David Cameron who explicitly promised that HE would enact Article 50 the day after the Referendum in the event of a Leave vote and lead the UK's withdrawal from the EU...then immediately broke that promise and proved himself to be a liar...
...You can hardly blame people for expecting it to go better than this.
That Tory government was not that strong, they had the same distant relationship with facts that the current one does, such as Theresa May using incorrect figures for people outstaying visas during her time as home secretary even after she was told they were incorrect.
The fact that David Cameron made a promise to enact article 50 the day after the referendum should have been warning enough about how this would go down as there was zero chance we would have been in any kind of position to do so. See the current debacle for proof of that, where it was close to a year later and the government still had next to nothing prepared.
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welshhoppo wrote: 100 years on from the Russian Revolution, the British shall also revolt!
I mean seriously, it's pretty grim. I really hoped that Parliament could actually put on a unified face for Brexit. But they couldn't find Europe with both hands at the moment.
Did anyone not see this coming?
Well considering that we had a strong Tory government at the time of the Referendum, with a relatively strong PM David Cameron who explicitly promised that HE would enact Article 50 the day after the Referendum in the event of a Leave vote and lead the UK's withdrawal from the EU...then immediately broke that promise and proved himself to be a liar...
...You can hardly blame people for expecting it to go better than this.
But the vote was brought but to silence internal party rebels he couldn't otherwise deal with.
Don’t give me that. Although Cameron’s reasons for having the referendum were selfish, it was only right that we were asked if we wanted to remain in the eu or not.
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