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Kilkrazy wrote: Lack of strategy plays into Hard Brexit, because that is the default result if the negotiations fail for whatever reason.
This is probably what some of the hard right nutcase MPs want. And May rather than having any backbone is sleep walking straight into it.
She really is a terrible leader. So desperate for anything she'll try and avoid anything controversial. She's actually being praised for not raising human rights issues in China by the state run media for not mentioning it. So she is quite happy to exploit a populace and their conditions for any hint of a deal (which apparently is agricultural and for them technological, not really what a developed nation wants to hear).
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
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Region was on course to benefit from £2.5bn of funding between 2000 and 2020 but voted 56% in favour of leaving EU
(26 June 2016)
I didn’t think they’d eat my face, says region that vote for the Leopards Eating People’s Faces Party...
I think there was quite amount of voting without any consideration of what leaving meant. Aptly illustrated by the huge spike in Google searches for "what is the eu" after the polls closed.
Region was on course to benefit from £2.5bn of funding between 2000 and 2020 but voted 56% in favour of leaving EU
(26 June 2016)
I didn’t think they’d eat my face, says region that vote for the Leopards Eating People’s Faces Party...
I think there was quite amount of voting without any consideration of what leaving meant. Aptly illustrated by the huge spike in Google searches for "what is the eu" after the polls closed.
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:We all disagree on Brexit, but we can all agree that this lack of a strategy, something, anything for us to hang our hats on, is shambolic.
Hard Brexit? Soft Brexit? Canada? Norway? Switzerland? Singapore? North Korea? Vulcan? Klingon? A trade deal with B5's league of non-aligned worlds??
Give us something!!!!!!
Wouldn't that have been a nice question to ask in a referendum instead of a rather simplistic and nebulous "out or not"? Haven't, more or less, all the anti-Brexit people already said that Brexit doesn't mean anything because it's an umbrella term for all the options you mentioned (and more). If the UK doesn't want a second referendum then maybe a referendum on what type of Brexit could work? Narrow the path to Brexit down with each further referendum until a choice can be made. At least then the UK could negotiate instead of just wandering around aimlessly like after a long night of drinking.
Given the depth of ignorance about the EU (I include myself -- I learned a lot during the campaign) it doesn't seem likely that a more focussed referendum question would have been of any value.
That is one of the reasons why the UK is a representative parliamentary democracy and is not governed by referenda, supposedly.
Kilkrazy wrote: Lack of strategy plays into Hard Brexit, because that is the default result if the negotiations fail for whatever reason.
This is probably what some of the hard right nutcase MPs want. And May rather than having any backbone is sleep walking straight into it.
She really is a terrible leader. So desperate for anything she'll try and avoid anything controversial. She's actually being praised for not raising human rights issues in China by the state run media for not mentioning it. So she is quite happy to exploit a populace and their conditions for any hint of a deal (which apparently is agricultural and for them technological, not really what a developed nation wants to hear).
Given the UK’s current position on arms sales, the transitional laws on leaving the EU, and killing off as many poor and disabled people as possible, it’s less about not being controversial and more about not setting yourself up to give your critics an open goal.
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Do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote to leave the European Union?
Right to leave: 40% • Wrong to leave: 46%
- Largest lead for 'wrong' since poll started -
___________________________________
Do you think that the government are handling negotiations well or badly?
Well: 25% • Badly: 57%
___________________________________
Date conducted: 28-29 January 2018
Published: The Times | 2 February 2018
This trend has been growing for some time now so it's not a surprise that we have now got to point where there is such a significant difference. Not that I expect the Tories to take any notice whatsoever and will do their utmost to resist asking the question again because of the damage it will do to their own party (or more so anyway).
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
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Listening to a political podcast earlier I heard a criticism laid at the feet of the EU about their negotiating strategy. It went something along the lines of,
The EU don't negotiate, they make a list of demands and wait for you to get back to them once you'd ticked off all the boxes.
Definitely sounds like the sort of negotiating team I'd like fighting our corner.
"All their ferocity was turned outwards, against enemies of the State, foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals" - Orwell, 1984
tneva82 wrote: If wrexit wouldn't hurt getting 30k models this would be great entertaiment.
It won't. There's a not improbable chance that you'll be able to fly to WHW, buy a good supply of models in pounds and fly back for the same price they're not charging in euros.
And pay 24% imports. Think free postage is cheaper anyway. Problem is 24% imports which is whether i go there or order
People seem to think we have some hold over the EU. That the EU was desperate for us to stay. Many Brexiteers like to point to them needing us more than we need them. That’s simply not true, and I am not surprised at all that they are just saying “this is our demands, deal with it”. That’s perfectly valid negotiation if you have nothing to lose.
Many pro Brexit people seem to think still the UK has nothing to lose and are still a major power. That’s not the case. We need the EU and they don’t need us. All we have is the debt to them, but if we leave without paying the UKs credit rating is stuffed. But point that out to pro Brexit people and they come over all “your not patriotic” and “you just hate the UK.”. The story coming through again and again is that whilst the remain campaign was not good, they could have provided the best reasons to stay and would have still had people spouting the same jingoistic rubbish. I love the UK and do think we are one of the greatest nations, but I am also realstic about how small we are and how much our continuing success is down to our partnership with our EU partners.
insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
This is Sinn Fein MLA for North Belfast Gerry Kelly caught on camera this morning cutting off a parking clamp from his car with bolt cutters. Shouldn’t be much of a suprise as a IRA terrorist he escaped from jail, where he was serving two life sentences for bombing the old Bailey and ministry of agriculture in London. He escaped from jail stopping once to shoot a prison warden in the head.
His parties tag line at the moment is ‘equality, respect and (wait for it...) integrity’.....
Despair at your local politicians all you like but you have nothing on us
This is Sinn Fein MLA for North Belfast Gerry Kelly caught on camera this morning cutting off a parking clamp from his car with bolt cutters. Shouldn’t be much of a suprise as a IRA terrorist he escaped from jail, where he was serving two life sentences for bombing the old Bailey and ministry of agriculture in London. He escaped from jail stopping once to shoot a prison warden in the head.
His parties tag line at the moment is ‘equality, respect and (wait for it...) integrity’.....
Despair at your local politicians all you like but you have nothing on us
His parties tag line at the moment is ‘equality, respect and (wait for it...) integrity’.....
Despair at your local politicians all you like but you have nothing on us
It's a parking clamp, not soemone's leg, so here's to progress!
Oh, and, just, FYI, I've lived in Youngstown Ohio where once the winning party to an election was the subject of an election commercial of him taking a bribe from the mob on camera. to cover protection for drug dealers Be glad the IRA still believes in doing their own dirty work rather than subcontracting out.
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His parties tag line at the moment is ‘equality, respect and (wait for it...) integrity’.....
Despair at your local politicians all you like but you have nothing on us
It's a parking clamp, not soemone's leg, so here's to progress!
Oh, and, just, FYI, I've lived in Youngstown Ohio where once the winning party to an election was the subject of an election commercial of him taking a bribe from the mob on camera. to cover protection for drug dealers Be glad the IRA still believes in doing their own dirty work rather than subcontracting out.
The Sinn Fein team of ‘integrity equality and respect’ brought us all another horror show just a few weeks ago when the Sinn Fein MP for Tyrone Barry McElduff was caught mocking the victims of one of the worst massacres here. The Kingsmill massacre. He danced on a video on twitter with a loaf of bread on his head with the name of the massacre emblazoned across it and posted the video to his IRA mates at 5 minutes past midnight on the anniversary of the massacre.
10 men were slaughtered when their work mini bus was stopped on a country road by the terrorists who asked if any of the workers were Catholic when one man identified himself as Catholic he was told to walk down the road. The remaining 10 Protestants were lined up against the bus and gunned down. One man survived despite being shot 18 times.
After people picked up on the videos meaning he claimed he didn’t know what he was doing, but after a public outcry he was suspended by the party for 3 whole months on full pay. Not suspended as an MP just as a party member. Which is ironic given the fact their MPs refuse to go to work. Thankfully though the public kept up the pressure and he had to resign.
This upstanding public representative of the highest elected office in the land was known for stunts like this, a few months earlier he posted a photo of the police out stopping traffic looking for drink drivers and he added the caption to his friends to ‘watch out for animals on the road’.
But for me the icing on the cake for these lovely people was when the named a children’s play park after one of the men who most likely carried out the Kingsmill massacre Raymond McCreesh. This paragon of respect was caught with one of the rifles used a few weeks after the slaughter. And now the good children of Newry play in the Raymond Mcreesh play park, and bang goes the hope for another generation.
If your interested here’s a link to an interview with the survivor of the massacre Alan Black, a man with more integrity and respect in his little toe than most people. It was after this interview went public Barry was forced to resign. I warn you it’s an emotionally harrowing interview.
You only have to look back a few pages here to find people insisting that the troubles are over and will never come back, and these people will never return to violence now. The same thugs remain. The same behaviour bubbles below the surface. The only thing that would reduce it now is the fact that the US has stopped having such a romantic view of terror since 9/11 so hopefully they at least won’t have the funds if Brexit does damage the peace process.
insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
The thugs remain Steve but they are gangsters in suits now revelling in their blood soaked past.
Resuming an armed campaign is a totally different matter. That requires a very different skill set. Sinn Fein are more worried about the IRAs head of internal security (known as the nutting squad) being outed as an MI5 informant and being arrested for murder last week. They are petrified of what could come out in the washing. The most likely thing to come out is the identity of more agents.
One of the IRAs splinter groups called a ceasefire just last week because they couldn’t sustain an armed campaign. They were made up of the most hardened terrorists. No appetite out there for full armed campaigns. Intelligence services have all the groups tied up with informants.
His parties tag line at the moment is ‘equality, respect and (wait for it...) integrity’.....
Despair at your local politicians all you like but you have nothing on us
It's a parking clamp, not soemone's leg, so here's to progress!
Oh, and, just, FYI, I've lived in Youngstown Ohio where once the winning party to an election was the subject of an election commercial of him taking a bribe from the mob on camera. to cover protection for drug dealers Be glad the IRA still believes in doing their own dirty work rather than subcontracting out.
The Sinn Fein team of ‘integrity equality and respect’ brought us all another horror show just a few weeks ago when the Sinn Fein MP for Tyrone Barry McElduff was caught mocking the victims of one of the worst massacres here. The Kingsmill massacre. He danced on a video on twitter with a loaf of bread on his head with the name of the massacre emblazoned across it and posted the video to his IRA mates at 5 minutes past midnight on the anniversary of the massacre.
10 men were slaughtered when their work mini bus was stopped on a country road by the terrorists who asked if any of the workers were Catholic when one man identified himself as Catholic he was told to walk down the road. The remaining 10 Protestants were lined up against the bus and gunned down. One man survived despite being shot 18 times.
After people picked up on the videos meaning he claimed he didn’t know what he was doing, but after a public outcry he was suspended by the party for 3 whole months on full pay. Not suspended as an MP just as a party member. Which is ironic given the fact their MPs refuse to go to work. Thankfully though the public kept up the pressure and he had to resign.
This upstanding public representative of the highest elected office in the land was known for stunts like this, a few months earlier he posted a photo of the police out stopping traffic looking for drink drivers and he added the caption to his friends to ‘watch out for animals on the road’.
But for me the icing on the cake for these lovely people was when the named a children’s play park after one of the men who most likely carried out the Kingsmill massacre Raymond McCreesh. This paragon of respect was caught with one of the rifles used a few weeks after the slaughter. And now the good children of Newry play in the Raymond Mcreesh play park, and bang goes the hope for another generation.
If your interested here’s a link to an interview with the survivor of the massacre Alan Black, a man with more integrity and respect in his little toe than most people. It was after this interview went public Barry was forced to resign. I warn you it’s an emotionally harrowing interview.
So the long and the short of it is that he did something wrong and is now no longer working for the party, funnily we'd still have a government in the North if some other parties had members willing to stand down after doing something wrong.
About a month ago we had people supporting standing up to parking fines and the like in this very thread.
But for me the icing on the cake for these lovely people was when the named a children’s play park after one of the men who most likely carried out the Kingsmill massacre Raymond McCreesh. This paragon of respect was caught with one of the rifles used a few weeks after the slaughter. And now the good children of Newry play in the Raymond Mcreesh play park, and bang goes the hope for another generation.
Unfortunately we are all going to have to stomach these sort of things in the short term. All three sides have blood on their hands but we have to remember that the long term goal is sustainable long term peace. It will take generations before wounds really start to heal. You need to have a generation in control that does not even recall parents/grandparents talking about the troubles so that they are less blinded by factions; when the children of the future generations get their history through books not ideology. It will take time, but eventually parks will be renamed, built on, statues removed and so on. It might be galling to see it happen right now because of what all sides did, but eventually. We might not get to see the true benefits but if we continue along the same path then eventually (assuming we haven't nuked ourselves by then) a more unbiased and historical perspective will come to the fore.
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
His parties tag line at the moment is ‘equality, respect and (wait for it...) integrity’.....
Despair at your local politicians all you like but you have nothing on us
It's a parking clamp, not soemone's leg, so here's to progress!
Oh, and, just, FYI, I've lived in Youngstown Ohio where once the winning party to an election was the subject of an election commercial of him taking a bribe from the mob on camera. to cover protection for drug dealers Be glad the IRA still believes in doing their own dirty work rather than subcontracting out.
The Sinn Fein team of ‘integrity equality and respect’ brought us all another horror show just a few weeks ago when the Sinn Fein MP for Tyrone Barry McElduff was caught mocking the victims of one of the worst massacres here. The Kingsmill massacre. He danced on a video on twitter with a loaf of bread on his head with the name of the massacre emblazoned across it and posted the video to his IRA mates at 5 minutes past midnight on the anniversary of the massacre.
10 men were slaughtered when their work mini bus was stopped on a country road by the terrorists who asked if any of the workers were Catholic when one man identified himself as Catholic he was told to walk down the road. The remaining 10 Protestants were lined up against the bus and gunned down. One man survived despite being shot 18 times.
After people picked up on the videos meaning he claimed he didn’t know what he was doing, but after a public outcry he was suspended by the party for 3 whole months on full pay. Not suspended as an MP just as a party member. Which is ironic given the fact their MPs refuse to go to work. Thankfully though the public kept up the pressure and he had to resign.
This upstanding public representative of the highest elected office in the land was known for stunts like this, a few months earlier he posted a photo of the police out stopping traffic looking for drink drivers and he added the caption to his friends to ‘watch out for animals on the road’.
But for me the icing on the cake for these lovely people was when the named a children’s play park after one of the men who most likely carried out the Kingsmill massacre Raymond McCreesh. This paragon of respect was caught with one of the rifles used a few weeks after the slaughter. And now the good children of Newry play in the Raymond Mcreesh play park, and bang goes the hope for another generation.
If your interested here’s a link to an interview with the survivor of the massacre Alan Black, a man with more integrity and respect in his little toe than most people. It was after this interview went public Barry was forced to resign. I warn you it’s an emotionally harrowing interview.
So the long and the short of it is that he did something wrong and is now no longer working for the party, funnily we'd still have a government in the North if some other parties had members willing to stand down after doing something wrong.
About a month ago we had people supporting standing up to parking fines and the like in this very thread.
More ‘respect’ from republicans. Cant use the name Northern Ireland, still calling it ‘the North’ despite supposedly signing up to it’s legitimacy in the Good Friday Agreement. Apparently the respect they want is more rights for Irish speakers, a language funded to the time of £34 million annually even though only 0.2% of the population use the language in their homes and 6% have some working knowledge. But yet we can’t have government unless it gets more. Or maybe it’s Gay marriage which if there was a functioning government would probably be in place now.
But let’s just quote the great Gerry Adams when he spoke on equality
“But what's the point? The point is to actually break these bastards - that's the point. And what's going to break them is equality. That's what's going to break them - equality.”
"That's what we need to keep the focus on - that's the Trojan horse of the entire republican strategy is to reach out to people on the basis of equality."
Says it all really equality is just a Trojan Horse to break unionists who he calls bastards. Equality isn’t something to be cherished or worked for it’s a ploy a scheme a nasty underhand deceptive trick.
Knockagh wrote: The thugs remain Steve but they are gangsters in suits now revelling in their blood soaked past.
Resuming an armed campaign is a totally different matter. That requires a very different skill set. Sinn Fein are more worried about the IRAs head of internal security (known as the nutting squad) being outed as an MI5 informant and being arrested for murder last week. They are petrified of what could come out in the washing. The most likely thing to come out is the identity of more agents.
One of the IRAs splinter groups called a ceasefire just last week because they couldn’t sustain an armed campaign. They were made up of the most hardened terrorists. No appetite out there for full armed campaigns. Intelligence services have all the groups tied up with informants.
I suspect there are a lot of steps between nasty rhetoric and a full on armed campaign that'll make things horrible for people.
Young uns trying to impress the gangsters, gangsters wanting a return of the good old days, someone using it as an excuse to settle a grudge.
As you said, all the attitudes are still there, none of the problems have actually been solved.
As you said, all the attitudes are still there, none of the problems have actually been solved.
The attitudes might still be there, the question is whether or not the weaponry, training, funding, opportunity, public support, and organisation are still there. Without all of those things, there isn't much you can do beyond the standard thicko Islamic terrorist 'Drive a lorry at people' or 'pull out the kitchenware' attacks. Not that those aren't bad, but they're not a patch on the 80's.
I believe there has been some softening of the divisions and certainly the violence is a lot less than it was 20-30 years ago.
However, as long as there is a hard core of the population who want to unite with EIre, and a hard core of the population who consider that the worst thing in the world, there will continue to be a fundamental level of tension.
His parties tag line at the moment is ‘equality, respect and (wait for it...) integrity’.....
Despair at your local politicians all you like but you have nothing on us
It's a parking clamp, not soemone's leg, so here's to progress!
Oh, and, just, FYI, I've lived in Youngstown Ohio where once the winning party to an election was the subject of an election commercial of him taking a bribe from the mob on camera. to cover protection for drug dealers Be glad the IRA still believes in doing their own dirty work rather than subcontracting out.
The Sinn Fein team of ‘integrity equality and respect’ brought us all another horror show just a few weeks ago when the Sinn Fein MP for Tyrone Barry McElduff was caught mocking the victims of one of the worst massacres here. The Kingsmill massacre. He danced on a video on twitter with a loaf of bread on his head with the name of the massacre emblazoned across it and posted the video to his IRA mates at 5 minutes past midnight on the anniversary of the massacre.
10 men were slaughtered when their work mini bus was stopped on a country road by the terrorists who asked if any of the workers were Catholic when one man identified himself as Catholic he was told to walk down the road. The remaining 10 Protestants were lined up against the bus and gunned down. One man survived despite being shot 18 times.
After people picked up on the videos meaning he claimed he didn’t know what he was doing, but after a public outcry he was suspended by the party for 3 whole months on full pay. Not suspended as an MP just as a party member. Which is ironic given the fact their MPs refuse to go to work. Thankfully though the public kept up the pressure and he had to resign.
This upstanding public representative of the highest elected office in the land was known for stunts like this, a few months earlier he posted a photo of the police out stopping traffic looking for drink drivers and he added the caption to his friends to ‘watch out for animals on the road’.
But for me the icing on the cake for these lovely people was when the named a children’s play park after one of the men who most likely carried out the Kingsmill massacre Raymond McCreesh. This paragon of respect was caught with one of the rifles used a few weeks after the slaughter. And now the good children of Newry play in the Raymond Mcreesh play park, and bang goes the hope for another generation.
If your interested here’s a link to an interview with the survivor of the massacre Alan Black, a man with more integrity and respect in his little toe than most people. It was after this interview went public Barry was forced to resign. I warn you it’s an emotionally harrowing interview.
So the long and the short of it is that he did something wrong and is now no longer working for the party, funnily we'd still have a government in the North if some other parties had members willing to stand down after doing something wrong.
About a month ago we had people supporting standing up to parking fines and the like in this very thread.
More ‘respect’ from republicans. Cant use the name Northern Ireland, still calling it ‘the North’ despite supposedly signing up to it’s legitimacy in the Good Friday Agreement. Apparently the respect they want is more rights for Irish speakers, a language funded to the time of £34 million annually even though only 0.2% of the population use the language in their homes and 6% have some working knowledge. But yet we can’t have government unless it gets more. Or maybe it’s Gay marriage which if there was a functioning government would probably be in place now.
But let’s just quote the great Gerry Adams when he spoke on equality
“But what's the point? The point is to actually break these bastards - that's the point. And what's going to break them is equality. That's what's going to break them - equality.”
"That's what we need to keep the focus on - that's the Trojan horse of the entire republican strategy is to reach out to people on the basis of equality."
Says it all really equality is just a Trojan Horse to break unionists who he calls bastards. Equality isn’t something to be cherished or worked for it’s a ploy a scheme a nasty underhand deceptive trick.
We've had government for years and the DUP have consistently stopped gay marriage, sure according to Sammy Wilson they're ''poofs'' and ''perverts''. The whole government was brought down because Foster wouldn't step down for an investigation into her dodgy dealings.
Many other countries give funding to preserve the countries heritage and the Irish language is a massive part of that, the problem is the DUP are scared of anything with the term Irish in it and will do anything to try and damage it and anything related to irish'ness.
The fact that equality is seen as something that can break unionists says a lot more about the DUP and their supporters than anything else, if there had been equality in the country years ago the troubles would never have reached the levels it did. He shouldn't have used the word bastard in such a wide sweeping statement about a group of the community though it weakened the point he was making massively
Scared of Irishness but yet fund Irish Language to the tune of £34 million a year in a country of 1.8 million people? We have Irish Language schools, evening classes, radio programs. Tell me what exactly more do you want? Roadsigns? Compulsory Irish for civil servants? Flesh out your plans because I and all unionists actually haven’t a clue what more can be thrown at the Irish Language.
The Republic of Ireland only got gay marriage last year and its only a few years in GB. Most countries are new to this. Do Northern Ireland have to be first or else it’s no good? The DUP didn’t get enough seats to block it in the last assembly election so if the provos hadn’t brought government down it would have gone through.
Although Gerry’ Adams idea of sexual equality seems rather broad since he protected active peadophiles and rapists on several occasions including his own father and brother whom he continued to allow access to children despite knowing and hiding their peadophiliia. That must be some more of that respect I keep reading about.
Knockage: he DUP signed up for acht na Gaelige in the Saint Andrews agreement. If they don't honour their commitments, SF has no reason to enter government. Gay marriage wouldn't have passed due to the petition of concern.
McElduff has a history of putting things on his head for a laugh. He has no history of sectarianism. It's possible he may not have an encyclopediac knowledge of every shooting carried out in the Six Counties. If the IRA even carried out the massacre is disputable. The survivors heard an English accent.
Be that as it may, you have neglected to mention the Reavey-O'dowd killings by loyalists the previous night. Like Barry I'm not an encyclopedia: eight dead as I recall? This sort of action wasn't repeated after kingsmills. When Ian Paisley Snr falsely named one of the Reavey brothers as an IRA gunman who carried out kingsmills, I'm sure you called for his resignation.
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