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I didn't bother to read anything that's been trailed for May's speech today.

I've given up on her and the government.

They are a quasi-democratic regime barely sustained in power by a small group of social hard-right-wingers in return for an illegal bribe of £1 billion.

The Guardian's headline is "May urges Britain to come back together".

I assume this 'urging' is in lieu of any actual effort to make it happen, like compromising on things that will see this country stay a functioning entity.

Far more acceptable is if we all just line up behind one of the extreme positions that keep the Tories in power and her in the top spot.

"May begs the Tory party to come back together" I think would be more accurate.

It's just a more polite version of the papers who keep calling people traitors. I'm reasonably sure that it is my democratic right to not agree. I'm rather fed up with this Brexit idea that we must all come together and support something we don't agree with.

I wonder what the spread of support now is, between the various Brexit options.

We keep being told that the opinion polls haven't changed much, but we also keep being told that opinion polls are so 20th century nowadays.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I didn't bother to read anything that's been trailed for May's speech today.

I've given up on her and the government.

They are a quasi-democratic regime barely sustained in power by a small group of social hard-right-wingers in return for an illegal bribe of £1 billion.

Isn't the idea of smaller political parties having more influence what proponents of Proportional Representation want? What deals are done behind closed doors in other nations?

 Kilkrazy wrote:
We keep being told that the opinion polls haven't changed much

Even though they are still changing, and it doesn't take much to shift a 52/48 to a 48/52.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I didn't bother to read anything that's been trailed for May's speech today.

I've given up on her and the government.

They are a quasi-democratic regime barely sustained in power by a small group of social hard-right-wingers in return for an illegal bribe of £1 billion.

Isn't the idea of smaller political parties having more influence what proponents of Proportional Representation want? What deals are done behind closed doors in other nations?

We don't have proportional representation in the UK Parliament.

On very sad news.


Woke up this morning to no snow at all.


Seriously Swansea, why are you like this?

The thing that really worries me about the Hard Right Brexiteers?

It’s the way they act as if the referendum was on very specific point outcomes of potential Brexit scenarios, and not a simpleton’s binary poll. And don’t forget, the worst of them during the campaign said nobody was talking about leaving the single market, or the customs union.

Yet more bloody lies that dogged the issues.

That alone is reason for further scrutiny, a cross party group to negotiate Brexit, and ultimately a ‘are we sure?’ Second referendum.

You're probably the only place in the country with no snow.

I've commented before that May seems to be unlucky with her timing, and the fact that bad things seem to happen just when you think she's on top of things.

But with Britain fighting off the Beast from the East, and everybody burning books to keep warm...

Is anybody really paying attention to May's speech?

If you've been stuck on the M6 for 20 hours in -10 temperatures, I doubt if even the most ardent EU supporter would give two hoots right now, if such a scenario applied to them.


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 welshhoppo wrote:
On very sad news.


Woke up this morning to no snow at all.


Seriously Swansea, why are you like this?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha

In contrast, up here, it's like Stalingrad.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


In contrast, up here, it's like Stalingrad.

A bombed out wasteland surrounded by Nazis?

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


In contrast, up here, it's like Stalingrad.

A bombed out wasteland surrounded by Nazis?

No, biting cold, and snow drifts so deep, you'd never be seen again if you fell into one.

We could do with some T-34s up here to pull out cars stuck in the snow.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I've commented before that May seems to be unlucky with her timing, and the fact that bad things seem to happen just when you think she's on top of things.

She's never actually been on top of things though. She's barely calling the shots, keeps contradicting herself, and keeps fudging issues to kicking them into the long grass.
The only time she's vaguely "in control" is for the few days between a fudge being announced and reality hitting that the fudge is still unworkable.

On the snow: it's not actually that cold up here (if you stay dry), but there's a lot of blocked roads. Currently only one road out of my town is passable, sorta, if you're careful.
At least the red warning has been downgraded to amber. I did get to take the kid up and down the street on a sledge though, so it's not all bad.

Waitrose have just called to tell me that the delivery driver might be late due to the snow. THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END!!!!! ANARCHY REIGNS!

 Kilkrazy wrote:
You're probably the only place in the country with no snow.

I think we are.

Cardiff, 40 miles down the road. 52cm of snow. Bridgend, has snow.


What do I have? Half a centremeter of grey sludge.


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 Steve steveson wrote:
Waitrose have just called to tell me that the delivery driver might be late due to the snow. THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END!!!!! ANARCHY REIGNS!

Political correctness gone mad.

Boris Johnson’s white privilege: imagine he was a black woman

..makes you proud eh ?

But our Govt. has been busy :

UK will allow imperial pint bottles of Champagne again

which I'm sure we will all agree was a major pressing concern.

 r_squared wrote:
Nigel Farage is still on QT, puffed up like the blubbery, pink bullfrog that he is.
However, what's interesting is that the support from the crowd in Blackpool for his bluster and hyperbole is quite lacklustre. Considering that's a Leave heartland, it's quite interesting.

There's an interesting assessment here of MEPs that have been on the BBC and concerns over bias....

https://twitter.com/RCorbettMEP/status/969343499937243136


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 reds8n wrote:


But our Govt. has been busy :

UK will allow imperial pint bottles of Champagne again

which I'm sure we will all agree was a major pressing concern.

I think it is a good example of the where Conservative priorities lie in reality. After all how many people on the street are bothered about such things. How many born into wealth like Boris would be?

And I'm a bit concerned about the argument as well. After all the Champagne regions are protected in the EU. They will hence still make Champagne is the standard bottles. Ergo there still won't be the small bottles they want.

I never knew there used to be pint bottles of champagne, even though I am over 45.

 Steve steveson wrote:
Waitrose have just called to tell me that the delivery driver might be late due to the snow. THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END!!!!! ANARCHY REIGNS!

Though surprisingly we are never that far from anarchy. At any one time the UK has only about 7 days stock of food. If there was ever a major issue then we could really have trouble. We are so reliant on an efficient network anything that knocks it over for even a small amount of time is a real problem.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I didn't bother to read anything that's been trailed for May's speech today.

I've given up on her and the government.

They are a quasi-democratic regime barely sustained in power by a small group of social hard-right-wingers in return for an illegal bribe of £1 billion.

Isn't the idea of smaller political parties having more influence what proponents of Proportional Representation want? What deals are done behind closed doors in other nations?

We don't have proportional representation in the UK Parliament.

Yes I know - I wondered if things like this would be more common with it.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I didn't bother to read anything that's been trailed for May's speech today.

I've given up on her and the government.

They are a quasi-democratic regime barely sustained in power by a small group of social hard-right-wingers in return for an illegal bribe of £1 billion.

Isn't the idea of smaller political parties having more influence what proponents of Proportional Representation want? What deals are done behind closed doors in other nations?

We don't have proportional representation in the UK Parliament.

You didn't miss anything, you would have just come out of it thinking you've just wasted a bit of an all too valuable life. There was nothing in the speech really, nothing new, no solutions to problems. Still wanting a unique solution that doesn't exist. Has no idea over NI, but does want us all to align behind her in her grand vision of idiocy.....erm no....

 Whirlwind wrote:

 Steve steveson wrote:
Waitrose have just called to tell me that the delivery driver might be late due to the snow. THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END!!!!! ANARCHY REIGNS!

Though surprisingly we are never that far from anarchy. At any one time the UK has only about 7 days stock of food. If there was ever a major issue then we could really have trouble. We are so reliant on an efficient network anything that knocks it over for even a small amount of time is a real problem.

I have experienced that in a very real way; back in 2000 I was at University when we had the first fuel strike. Our shared house had only a small fridge and no freezer, so we relied on nipping to the shops every couple of days. It became truly terrifying a few days into the strikes, when you go to the shops and find there is no bread, no milk, no eggs and very little canned goods, because panic buying has cleared the shelves and there were no deliveries. I was genuinely about a day away from having to bail back to my parents house as we had no food in the house and no way of buying any.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I didn't bother to read anything that's been trailed for May's speech today.

I've given up on her and the government.

They are a quasi-democratic regime barely sustained in power by a small group of social hard-right-wingers in return for an illegal bribe of £1 billion.

Isn't the idea of smaller political parties having more influence what proponents of Proportional Representation want? What deals are done behind closed doors in other nations?

We don't have proportional representation in the UK Parliament.

Yes I know - I wondered if things like this would be more common with it.

A PR system is about a fairer representation of the public voting intention. A £1bn bung was given to DUP because they are really only interest in NI and hence will happily let the Tories get on with acting like a mini dictatorship and allowing very hardline views to dominate because May is more spineless than a jellyfish after it is has been run over by a jumbo jet, scraped up and then put into a liquidiser. DUP gave Tories what they want because they get vastly more MPs than their voting proportion represents. In a PR system you have much less chance that hard line elements will dominate forcing more compromises and more realistic solutions because the outcomes will be better challenged rather than having one party railroad them through.

On the subject of weather.

Why the feth do the news and their production partners need to send reporters out into parts of the country that are dangerous to then report that the locations are dangerous?

I can undertsand reporting from warzones etc but, I can look out of the window and know its bad.

I also saw a reporter interviewing someone last night - unrelated to the beast from Emma or whatever its called - out in the fething blizzard....WHY?!! What possible reason is there?

 Jadenim wrote:


I have experienced that in a very real way; back in 2000 I was at University when we had the first fuel strike. Our shared house had only a small fridge and no freezer, so we relied on nipping to the shops every couple of days. It became truly terrifying a few days into the strikes, when you go to the shops and find there is no bread, no milk, no eggs and very little canned goods, because panic buying has cleared the shelves and there were no deliveries. I was genuinely about a day away from having to bail back to my parents house as we had no food in the house and no way of buying any.

Just don't ask about electricity transformers then. IIRC there are only about 7 spare at any one time (because they blow so infrequently). There are historic records that shows we have had solar storms that would blow every single one of our transformers if they happened today. Can you imagine what would happen if you didn't have electricity for months on an end (and in this case most western countries would be affected as well?)

Even individuals can cause major disruption as these sites are hardly protected. A co-ordinated campaign to take out several major sites around the country would leave us reeling.


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 Mr. Burning wrote:
On the subject of weather.

Why the feth do the news and their production partners need to send reporters out into parts of the country that are dangerous to then report that the locations are dangerous?

I can undertsand reporting from warzones etc but, I can look out of the window and know its bad.

I also saw a reporter interviewing someone last night - unrelated to the beast from Emma or whatever its called - out in the fething blizzard....WHY?!! What possible reason is there?

Maybe their staff bill is too high????

 reds8n wrote:

UK will allow imperial pint bottles of Champagne again

What's the point of a 584ml bottle of champagne, where a 750ml bottle won't Do?

Herzlos wrote:
What's the point of a 584ml bottle of champagne, where a 750ml bottle won't Do?

Did anyone, apart from a dead prime minister, miss a pint of champers?