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Kilkrazy wrote: That's pretty stiff even if he is a serial offender.
However I shall not shed bitter tears.
My understanding is that the 13 month sentence for previous contempt of court was suspended and he was warned explicitly to not attend any further court appearances. He only has himself to blame, he was pinched for breach of the peace and the full suspended sentence was then imposed.
He could have just stayed away, which begs the question that maybe he wanted to be arrested so as to be a martyr?
Especially as many of his supporters that I know personally claim he will be lucky to survive prison as he will almost certainly be tossed into a dark cell full of Islamic fundementalists, apparently.
"All their ferocity was turned outwards, against enemies of the State, foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals" - Orwell, 1984
Kilkrazy wrote: That's pretty stiff even if he is a serial offender.
However I shall not shed bitter tears.
My understanding is that the 13 month sentence for previous contempt of court was suspended and he was warned explicitly to not attend any further court appearances. He only has himself to blame, he was pinched for breach of the peace and the full suspended sentence was then imposed.
He could have just stayed away, which begs the question that maybe he wanted to be arrested so as to be a martyr?
Especially as many of his supporters that I know personally claim he will be lucky to survive prison as he will almost certainly be tossed into a dark cell full of Islamic fundementalists, apparently.
Thats exactly what happened the last time he was imprisoned.
Was it? The only fact I can find was that he was attacked in prison.
The only people claiming they were Muslims is a right wing US news site, and his supporters. It’s possible it is true, but far more likely that either it is totally untrue, or he was attacked because he was spouting the same racist garbage in prison and got attacked because of that. Unfortunately prisons have violent people in them and sometimes people do get attacked. Especially if you are a mouthy git that goes out of your way to anger people. That does not make it a conspiracy.
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Kilkrazy wrote: That's pretty stiff even if he is a serial offender.
However I shall not shed bitter tears.
The maximum sentence is 2 years, so 13 months is not surprising given that it was a second offence and both have been at the serious end, and likely to be repeated.
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insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
He's a pretty scummy person generally, and he broke the law. However, it seems to me to be a law that flies in the face of democracy. Anyone should be able to report on a trial, there should be complete transparency, in the same way that in the US they have to issue mug shots when a person is arrested and put on trial so the public are aware, otherwise a government could run a secret police.
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Steve steveson wrote: Was it? The only fact I can find was that he was attacked in prison.
The only people claiming they were Muslims is a right wing US news site, and his supporters. It’s possible it is true, but far more likely that either it is totally untrue, or he was attacked because he was spouting the same racist garbage in prison and got attacked because of that. Unfortunately prisons have violent people in them and sometimes people do get attacked. Especially if you are a mouthy git that goes out of your way to anger people. That does not make it a conspiracy.
Not a conspiracy. Negligence. He was put onto a wing with a lot of Muslim inmates convicted for violent offences.
Tommy Robinson himself claims that the men who assaulted him knew him personally, and had previously threatened him and his family outside of Prison.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Here's an interesting report that contradicts a Remain argument that our top universities will struggle to attract the brightest and best students and researchers:
Oxford and Cambridge sitting on a 21 billion golden egg
Money talks, and with that sort of brass in the bank, they could build world class facilities and pay high salaries to lure in the best of the best.
They are drowning in money (though a lot of it is tied into things that aren't exactly liquid - like the college buildings...). However, did you read the article? They're not exactly at pains to spend their money. If you think they're going to single-handedly save UKHE you might want to have a look at the role their efforts to separate themselves from the rest of the UKHE sector to remove financial connections had in the largest ever UK university and college staff strikes in February and March.
Additionally, I'm not sure if you quite understand the college system? The majority of the money is not Oxford or Cambridge univeristies'. It is the colleges. Separate entities.
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CREEEEEEEEED wrote: He's a pretty scummy person generally, and he broke the law. However, it seems to me to be a law that flies in the face of democracy. Anyone should be able to report on a trial, there should be complete transparency, in the same way that in the US they have to issue mug shots when a person is arrested and put on trial so the public are aware, otherwise a government could run a secret police.
I'd disagree. Justice and the right to a fair trial is fundamental to democracy and you can't get a fair trial if there's wall-to-wall coverage of it. UK courts are subject to heavy censorship during a trial, specifically for that reason, but everything (with the exception of individuals' identities in special cases, generally where children need to be protected) is available afterwards.
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CREEEEEEEEED wrote: He's a pretty scummy person generally, and he broke the law. However, it seems to me to be a law that flies in the face of democracy. Anyone should be able to report on a trial, there should be complete transparency, in the same way that in the US they have to issue mug shots when a person is arrested and put on trial so the public are aware, otherwise a government could run a secret police.
No.. Thetes a very exact reason for it.
Anyone is free to report after but the case is decided on facts alone not media pressure etc. During trial the restrictions are very tight to prevent any kind of comtaniation of the proceedings.
Its trial by jury, not media.
Our laws protect the proceedings heavily, a trial of the type he reported on involving kids and so. Is very restricted on what can and cannot be published.
Our systems are set up as they are for good reason.
We do not have zinerman media circus events.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
Steve steveson wrote: Was it? The only fact I can find was that he was attacked in prison.
The only people claiming they were Muslims is a right wing US news site, and his supporters. It’s possible it is true, but far more likely that either it is totally untrue, or he was attacked because he was spouting the same racist garbage in prison and got attacked because of that. Unfortunately prisons have violent people in them and sometimes people do get attacked. Especially if you are a mouthy git that goes out of your way to anger people. That does not make it a conspiracy.
Not a conspiracy. Negligence. He was put onto a wing with a lot of Muslim inmates convicted for violent offences.
Tommy Robinson himself claims that the men who assaulted him knew him personally, and had previously threatened him and his family outside of Prison.
Again, according to who? Please do provide me with a reliable source that says it was any more than a standard prison assault. What Tommy Robinson claims is worthless. Let’s have some independent evidence.
insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Here's an interesting report that contradicts a Remain argument that our top universities will struggle to attract the brightest and best students and researchers:
Oxford and Cambridge sitting on a 21 billion golden egg
Money talks, and with that sort of brass in the bank, they could build world class facilities and pay high salaries to lure in the best of the best.
That includes assets. Buildings and so? It's not all liquid and some is shares, investments and so.
Also money is set aside in funds for specific uses or willed and ran for certain purposes such as awards, support or helping those with research etc.
Of that 21 billion, not all will be available for spending freely, alot will be asigned for certain use and cannot be spent outside that bracket.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Here's an interesting report that contradicts a Remain argument that our top universities will struggle to attract the brightest and best students and researchers:
Oxford and Cambridge sitting on a 21 billion golden egg
Money talks, and with that sort of brass in the bank, they could build world class facilities and pay high salaries to lure in the best of the best.
They are drowning in money (though a lot of it is tied into things that aren't exactly liquid - like the college buildings...). However, did you read the article? They're not exactly at pains to spend their money. If you think they're going to single-handedly save UKHE you might want to have a look at the role their efforts to separate themselves from the rest of the UKHE sector to remove financial connections had in the largest ever UK university and college staff strikes in February and March.
Additionally, I'm not sure if you quite understand the college system? The majority of the money is not Oxford or Cambridge univeristies'. It is the colleges. Separate entities.
And the vast majority of that is in assets they can’t sell. Oxford colleges own large amounts of Oxford. The land alien is worth a few billion, without the listed buildings sat on it. Most colleges do not have vast reserves of wealth, nor do the universities themselves. And a large amount of the remaining is investments that generate small but steady incomes. They are not poor, but they are far from rich, and a frightening amount of that money from income goes in to the upkeep of all the Grade 1 listed buildings. This has no relevance to the research income of the UK HE sector at all.
insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Here's an interesting report that contradicts a Remain argument that our top universities will struggle to attract the brightest and best students and researchers:
Oxford and Cambridge sitting on a 21 billion golden egg
Money talks, and with that sort of brass in the bank, they could build world class facilities and pay high salaries to lure in the best of the best.
They are drowning in money (though a lot of it is tied into things that aren't exactly liquid - like the college buildings...). However, did you read the article? They're not exactly at pains to spend their money. If you think they're going to single-handedly save UKHE you might want to have a look at the role their efforts to separate themselves from the rest of the UKHE sector to remove financial connections had in the largest ever UK university and college staff strikes in February and March.
Additionally, I'm not sure if you quite understand the college system? The majority of the money is not Oxford or Cambridge univeristies'. It is the colleges. Separate entities.
And the vast majority of that is in assets they can’t sell. Oxford colleges own large amounts of Oxford. The land alien is worth a few billion, without the listed buildings sat on it. Most colleges do not have vast reserves of wealth, nor do the universities themselves. And a large amount of the remaining is investments that generate small but steady incomes. They are not poor, but they are far from rich, and a frightening amount of that money from income goes in to the upkeep of all the Grade 1 listed buildings. This has no relevance to the research income of the UK HE sector at all.
This undersells it. Some are very, very rich. Trinity is absurd. And flaunts it. They aren't all like that, of course, and as you say, it has zero bearing on UKHE as a sector.
If "Tommy Robinson" gets the gak kicked out of himself in prison, it's because Tommy Robinson is a fething prick and I have precisely zero sympathy for him or anyone like him who gets filled in because they run their mouth off.
He could try not being a fething gobshite, and maybe people wouldn't feel compelled to kick his teeth in.
"All their ferocity was turned outwards, against enemies of the State, foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals" - Orwell, 1984
Most arn’t in the same situation though. Some have hardly anything. Teddy Hall and St Hilders are both, by all accounts, not that well off at all. Trinity Camb has about the same wealth of the three wealthiest Oxford Colleges combined and the 4 largest colleges have about the same between them as either of the universities. Trinity is an outlier.
insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
r_squared wrote: If "Tommy Robinson" gets the gak kicked out of himself in prison, it's because Tommy Robinson is a fething prick and I have precisely zero sympathy for him or anyone like him who gets filled in because they run their mouth off.
He could try not being a fething gobshite, and maybe people wouldn't feel compelled to kick his teeth in.
Nah not in jail. I'd quite cheerfully stick one on his jaw in the street, but if you incarcerate people you really do have to keep them safe.
r_squared wrote: If "Tommy Robinson" gets the gak kicked out of himself in prison, it's because Tommy Robinson is a fething prick and I have precisely zero sympathy for him or anyone like him who gets filled in because they run their mouth off.
He could try not being a fething gobshite, and maybe people wouldn't feel compelled to kick his teeth in.
Nah not in jail. I'd quite cheerfully stick one on his jaw in the street, but if you incarcerate people you really do have to keep them safe.
In his case you'd have to keep him safe by wiring his jaw shut. He could make the Pope want to chib him.
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"All their ferocity was turned outwards, against enemies of the State, foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals" - Orwell, 1984
.. I think we can do without the fantasy beat down talk TBH.
ta.
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Spoiler:
yes, one wouldn't want someone interfering with the due process of the law now would you eh ?
Personally I wouldn't use someone who is best known for claiming that "Hitler will live forever" as my intermediary either but strokes for folks etc etc .
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r_squared wrote: If "Tommy Robinson" gets the gak kicked out of himself in prison, it's because Tommy Robinson is a fething prick and I have precisely zero sympathy for him or anyone like him who gets filled in because they run their mouth off.
He could try not being a fething gobshite, and maybe people wouldn't feel compelled to kick his teeth in.
This.
See, unlike the overwhelming majority of the religion he’s chosen to victimise, he actually deserves vitriol on the basis of his own actions.
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
r_squared wrote: If "Tommy Robinson" gets the gak kicked out of himself in prison, it's because Tommy Robinson is a fething prick and I have precisely zero sympathy for him or anyone like him who gets filled in because they run their mouth off.
He could try not being a fething gobshite, and maybe people wouldn't feel compelled to kick his teeth in.
r_squared wrote: If "Tommy Robinson" gets the gak kicked out of himself in prison, it's because Tommy Robinson is a fething prick and I have precisely zero sympathy for him or anyone like him who gets filled in because they run their mouth off.
He could try not being a fething gobshite, and maybe people wouldn't feel compelled to kick his teeth in.
This.
See, unlike the overwhelming majority of the religion he’s chosen to victimise, he actually deserves vitriol on the basis of his own actions.
Sure. VITRIOL. Not violence.
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If someone - anyone - gets beaten up in prison, then at the very least the prison authorities screwed up big-time. That sort of thing isn't supposed to happen, even to obnoxious people with unpopular opinions. It's not something we should ever tolerate or respond to with a "Ho-hum, I guess he must have deserved it." We're not the USA.
A little bit of righteous anger now and then is good, actually. Don't trust a person who never gets angry.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Here's an interesting report that contradicts a Remain argument that our top universities will struggle to attract the brightest and best students and researchers:
Oxford and Cambridge sitting on a 21 billion golden egg
Money talks, and with that sort of brass in the bank, they could build world class facilities and pay high salaries to lure in the best of the best.
They are drowning in money (though a lot of it is tied into things that aren't exactly liquid - like the college buildings...). However, did you read the article? They're not exactly at pains to spend their money. If you think they're going to single-handedly save UKHE you might want to have a look at the role their efforts to separate themselves from the rest of the UKHE sector to remove financial connections had in the largest ever UK university and college staff strikes in February and March.
Additionally, I'm not sure if you quite understand the college system? The majority of the money is not Oxford or Cambridge univeristies'. It is the colleges. Separate entities.
And the vast majority of that is in assets they can’t sell. Oxford colleges own large amounts of Oxford. The land alien is worth a few billion, without the listed buildings sat on it. Most colleges do not have vast reserves of wealth, nor do the universities themselves. And a large amount of the remaining is investments that generate small but steady incomes. They are not poor, but they are far from rich, and a frightening amount of that money from income goes in to the upkeep of all the Grade 1 listed buildings. This has no relevance to the research income of the UK HE sector at all.
This undersells it. Some are very, very rich. Trinity is absurd. And flaunts it. They aren't all like that, of course, and as you say, it has zero bearing on UKHE as a sector.
Well, hang on a moment. Trinity's endowment is only a bit over £100 million.
That's peanuts compared to people like Roman Abramovich and "Sir" Philip Green. He took £500 million out of BHS before it mysteriously crashed with a £500 million hole in its pension fund.
That bloke who's in charge of Persimmon Group got £110 million bonus last year.
I think there are some better options that our best universities if you're trying to raise some ready cash.
r_squared wrote: If "Tommy Robinson" gets the gak kicked out of himself in prison, it's because Tommy Robinson is a fething prick and I have precisely zero sympathy for him or anyone like him who gets filled in because they run their mouth off.
He could try not being a fething gobshite, and maybe people wouldn't feel compelled to kick his teeth in.
r_squared wrote: If "Tommy Robinson" gets the gak kicked out of himself in prison, it's because Tommy Robinson is a fething prick and I have precisely zero sympathy for him or anyone like him who gets filled in because they run their mouth off.
He could try not being a fething gobshite, and maybe people wouldn't feel compelled to kick his teeth in.
This.
See, unlike the overwhelming majority of the religion he’s chosen to victimise, he actually deserves vitriol on the basis of his own actions.
Sure. VITRIOL. Not violence.
He incites violence.
You know what this is? This is the proper channels equivalent of watching the School Bully get the absolute gak kicked out him, having spent several years, with his mob of goon mates, seeking out the smallest, weediest kid they could to give a hard time.
You’re....you’re not actually a supporter of BF and the EDL are you? Because you’re sure coming across as one in your last few posts here....
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Here's an interesting report that contradicts a Remain argument that our top universities will struggle to attract the brightest and best students and researchers:
Oxford and Cambridge sitting on a 21 billion golden egg
Money talks, and with that sort of brass in the bank, they could build world class facilities and pay high salaries to lure in the best of the best.
They are drowning in money (though a lot of it is tied into things that aren't exactly liquid - like the college buildings...). However, did you read the article? They're not exactly at pains to spend their money. If you think they're going to single-handedly save UKHE you might want to have a look at the role their efforts to separate themselves from the rest of the UKHE sector to remove financial connections had in the largest ever UK university and college staff strikes in February and March.
Additionally, I'm not sure if you quite understand the college system? The majority of the money is not Oxford or Cambridge univeristies'. It is the colleges. Separate entities.
And the vast majority of that is in assets they can’t sell. Oxford colleges own large amounts of Oxford. The land alien is worth a few billion, without the listed buildings sat on it. Most colleges do not have vast reserves of wealth, nor do the universities themselves. And a large amount of the remaining is investments that generate small but steady incomes. They are not poor, but they are far from rich, and a frightening amount of that money from income goes in to the upkeep of all the Grade 1 listed buildings. This has no relevance to the research income of the UK HE sector at all.
This undersells it. Some are very, very rich. Trinity is absurd. And flaunts it. They aren't all like that, of course, and as you say, it has zero bearing on UKHE as a sector.
Well, hang on a moment. Trinity's endowment is only a bit over £100 million.
That's peanuts compared to people like Roman Abramovich and "Sir" Philip Green. He took £500 million out of BHS before it mysteriously crashed with a £500 million hole in its pension fund.
That bloke who's in charge of Persimmon Group got £110 million bonus last year.
I think there are some better options that our best universities if you're trying to raise some ready cash.
Their endowment is over a billion, and their assets as we know are vast. They're something silly like the 3rd biggest landowner in the country, and bankroll lavish dinners nightly. They've substantial holdings beyond Trinity hall and other bricks and mortar.
That misses the point, however. As I reckon I've made clear in both of my posts on the topic, I don't think Oxbridge colleges' wealth has anything to do with raising money for UKHE, let alone anything else.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: You know what this is? This is the proper channels equivalent of watching the School Bully get the absolute gak kicked out him, having spent several years, with his mob of goon mates, seeking out the smallest, weediest kid they could to give a hard time.
You’re....you’re not actually a supporter of BF and the EDL are you? Because you’re sure coming across as one in your last few posts here....
Kindly retract that smear.
I believe in the rule of Law. Tommy Robinson broke the Law, and he is being sent to where he belongs. I do NOT believe in violence and extra judicial revenge, unlike the likes of you and R_squared who sadistically revel in people they dislike being subjected to illegal violence.
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