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I don't believe GW has ever "officially" referred to any edition of 40K as it's numbered nomenclature (as we tend to). They might off-camera use the same terminology, but I can't recall a single time GW have put in print "Prepare for 5th edition!" etc.

It just makes sense on the consumer side. There have been (to date) seven major rulebooks or revamps of the game mechanics. We've arbitrarily assigned edition numbers to them.

 oni wrote:
I have to admit I'm really concerned that GW isn't calling this 8th edition.

GW calls it "'New' 40K". Fact!

Yeah, so? 2nd edition was called New Warhammer 40,000. 3rd edition was called New Warhammer 40,000 and so on. They rarely use the number.

War Zone: Cadia

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/06/new-warhammer-40000-war-zone-cadia-may6gw-homepage-post-4/

Tomorrow's update:
"Biggest model's" game mechanics.

So super-heavies tomorrow?

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Are they going to retain all the Relics, warlord traits and chapter specific rules for space Marines and other races?

I loved the new space marine chapter traits and rules for Raven Guard that came with 6th and 7th ed, and I've been converting models to use the raven guard relics.

I won't be happy if all that is gone.

This is what worries me. I don't want this to be known as the bland edition. having said that 7th is such a mess, anything within reason is better.

I got to the stage that I was refusing to buy GW products. Then the New GW suckered me back in, with wrath of magnus and traitor legions. Both now invalid, so my hopes arn't high.

Since all current wargear options are supposed to stay legal according to GW, I'd say that relics are still in.

Ohhh how exciting! For years Abbadon has failed to have any success in a crusade. Now he is able to take Cadia... and it causes him to fail.
The warp has broken the galactic map in half but Abbadon can not even properly break the defenders of Cadia, they are all just sitting in space waiting for a retaliation strike order.
I think ill start collecting a Chaos Warp Storm army since it is obviously the real threat in the galaxy. It has 0 models and when I show up to play I just flip the table and say "I WIN"
/S
(please note the /S that was very heavy /S)

Actual thoughts:
I was hoping with their refocusing on imperial vs chaos that they would make chaos an actual threat. I'm glad to see the warp has ripped the galaxy in half since the with Rowboat coming back and declaring hes going to return the Imperium to its former glory there is far to much "hope" in the grimdark.
Even in this update"This has left huge numbers of Imperial defenders deployed around Cadia awaiting a coordinated Chaos second wave that may never come" and
"Poised around the Eye sits a force of Space Marines rivalling that of the Legions of old, entire Knight Households, and of course, the orphans of Cadia themselves – more than 200 regiments of Astra Militarum shock troops eager for vengeance."
That does not sound like they are making Abbadon an actual threat at all.

What do the Chaos Gods see in Abaddon anyway? He has a 10,000 year long track record of failure after all.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
So super-heavies tomorrow?

They will explain how vehicles/monstrous creatures will have deteriorating stats as they suffer wounds.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
What do the Chaos Gods see in Abaddon anyway? He has a 10,000 year long track record of failure after all.

Well no he doesn't really. What were assumed to be 12 failed black crusades in the past were him accomplishing goals for his long game to widen the rift, which he just accomplished. They addressed it in the gathering storm series. He was fooling the Imperium into thinking he was pushing for Terra when in reality he was destroying Obelisks containing the eye of terror every time.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
What do the Chaos Gods see in Abaddon anyway? He has a 10,000 year long track record of failure after all.

Well no he doesn't really. What were assumed to be 12 failed black crusades in the past were him accomplishing goals for his long game to widen the rift, which he just accomplished. They addressed it in the gathering storm series. He was fooling the Imperium into thinking he was pushing for Terra when in reality he was destroying Obelisks containing the eye of terror every time.

Did not know that, thanks.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
What do the Chaos Gods see in Abaddon anyway? He has a 10,000 year long track record of failure after all.

Well no he doesn't really. What were assumed to be 12 failed black crusades in the past were him accomplishing goals for his long game to widen the rift, which he just accomplished. They addressed it in the gathering storm series. He was fooling the Imperium into thinking he was pushing for Terra when in reality he was destroying Obelisks containing the eye of terror every time.

Yup.

Unlike Horus, who never had the opportunity, the Despoiler is playing a long game. Strike here, strike there. Do it in an apparently haphazard and random order and you're half way to victory already, as your foe sees you solely as a failure. Then, once all the manifold threads are in hand, one good tug and the rug comes up from under their feet.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
What do the Chaos Gods see in Abaddon anyway? He has a 10,000 year long track record of failure after all.

The Chaos Gods are actually the most tolerant and kind bosses in the workplace. They know they need to sack him but they know Abby has bills to pay and children to feed so they just let him keep doing his thing.

Though one does wonder if Abaddon is ultimately on a fool's errand.

Think and look to Horus. The man himself did fairly little wrong - it was his subordinates going off the deep end that fatally hampered him. Starting with Angron (THE ANGRIEST OF ALL RONALDS) going planetside during the Isstvan purge, culminating with the Emperor's Children going hatstand on Holy Terra at the culmination.

Chaos is its own worst enemy. Yes Abaddon has united the various factions, but he doesn't have the absolute control needed, because he's leading literal madmen and psychopaths, lunatics and the insane. When his actions demand his orders be followed nine times out of ten, seven out of ten just isn't going to cut it.

well now the rift has expanded, like the article says, the chaos forces have dispersed and spread out. Why continue to follow abaddon when the purpose of his crusade has been met? he's given them the means to strike out against most of the galaxy, there's little reason to stay under his command

 loki old fart wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Are they going to retain all the Relics, warlord traits and chapter specific rules for space Marines and other races?

I loved the new space marine chapter traits and rules for Raven Guard that came with 6th and 7th ed, and I've been converting models to use the raven guard relics.

I won't be happy if all that is gone.

This is what worries me. I don't want this to be known as the bland edition. having said that 7th is such a mess, anything within reason is better.

I got to the stage that I was refusing to buy GW products. Then the New GW suckered me back in, with wrath of magnus and traitor legions. Both now invalid, so my hopes arn't high.

They have confirmed that Legion traits and Chapter Tactics remain. How? They haven't say it.

 Elbows wrote:
I don't believe GW has ever "officially" referred to any edition of 40K as it's numbered nomenclature (as we tend to). They might off-camera use the same terminology, but I can't recall a single time GW have put in print "Prepare for 5th edition!" etc..

Actually, the skull on the cover of the 4th Edition rulebook had a IV carved into it. I think that's the only time they acknowledged the number of an edition in that fashion though (or in general, officially at least), they definitely didn't for 5-8.

Edit: Ah, found it:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
What do the Chaos Gods see in Abaddon anyway? He has a 10,000 year long track record of failure after all.

He had a nice rule in Battlefleet Gothic where he could start blasting his own ships if they failed to carry out his orders properly.

He's a good villian.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
What do the Chaos Gods see in Abaddon anyway? He has a 10,000 year long track record of failure after all.

Considering that Horus fought about that long in the BL HH novel fluff just to gain all the Chaos god's favor during the Heresy, I suppose they're playing the long game. When you're immortal, you really don't sweat the small millenial stuff.

 keltikhoa wrote:

Actual thoughts:
I was hoping with their refocusing on imperial vs chaos that they would make chaos an actual threat. I'm glad to see the warp has ripped the galaxy in half since the with Rowboat coming back and declaring hes going to return the Imperium to its former glory there is far to much "hope" in the grimdark.
Even in this update"This has left huge numbers of Imperial defenders deployed around Cadia awaiting a coordinated Chaos second wave that may never come" and
"Poised around the Eye sits a force of Space Marines rivalling that of the Legions of old, entire Knight Households, and of course, the orphans of Cadia themselves – more than 200 regiments of Astra Militarum shock troops eager for vengeance."
That does not sound like they are making Abbadon an actual threat at all.

The thing is that it doesn't really matter though. Cadia and the Cadian system were the absolute linchpin and center piece of the Cadian gate, especially Cadia itself with it's pylons basically completely shut out Abbadon from getting anything bigger than small splinter fleets into the imperial "heartland". The reason why those defenders are still left is because there is no reason for Abbadon to clear them out, now that his forces can use the Cadian system as a jump point in the direction of Terra (which, let's be honest, is the one that matters, especially for Abbadon and Chaos in general), Agripinaa is out of the way as is Belis Corona. Conquering them is rather pointless now that the Warp rift enables chaos troops to launch attacks in those directions while circumventing those systems anyway.

If you want a real life analogy, the remaining defenders are like the Japanese garrisons on islands in the pacific near the end of WWII that were completely ignored by the Americans as part of their island hopping strategy because they just sailed past them and focused on worthwhile targets closer to the Japanese mainland (e.g. Iwo Jima and Okinawa).

At one point some bored chaos warlord will likely attack them, but until then the defenders will basically sit there, cut off from reinforcement and having huge difficulties to use their fleet assets for anything. The best they could achieve would be to maybe recapture some fortress worlds in the cadian system itself (assuming they didn't get planet-killered like Cadia itself), but good luck trying to hold them long enough to fortify them sufficiently if Abbadon realizes what is happening. The pylons were what mattered and they are gone for good.

For me this is just an awesome piece of lore (the last, cut off bastions still holding out against all odds) and also serves to keep the Cadian Shock Troops alive with their own planets rather than a Tanith 1st stranded throughout the galaxy.
And as a Cadian fan the whole "get revenge and symbolically reclaim the ruins of Cadia" thing does get my blood pumping and ready to smash chaos forces across the table, so it is definitely working ;-).

If this is the sort of fluff quality we can expect from the story progression then I'm more than happy about it (infinitely better than how they handled the WFB end times and the AoS fluff).

 warboss wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
What do the Chaos Gods see in Abaddon anyway? He has a 10,000 year long track record of failure after all.

Considering that Horus fought about that long in the BL HH novel fluff just to gain all the Chaos god's favor during the Heresy, I suppose they're playing the long game. When you're immortal, you really don't sweat the small millenial stuff.

Huh?

 Galas wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Are they going to retain all the Relics, warlord traits and chapter specific rules for space Marines and other races?

I loved the new space marine chapter traits and rules for Raven Guard that came with 6th and 7th ed, and I've been converting models to use the raven guard relics.

I won't be happy if all that is gone.

This is what worries me. I don't want this to be known as the bland edition. having said that 7th is such a mess, anything within reason is better.

I got to the stage that I was refusing to buy GW products. Then the New GW suckered me back in, with wrath of magnus and traitor legions. Both now invalid, so my hopes arn't high.

They have confirmed that Legion traits and Chapter Tactics remain. How? They haven't say it.

The lead director confirmed it on twitter.

 Ragnar Blackmane wrote:

For me this is just an awesome piece of lore (the last, cut off bastions still holding out against all odds) and also serves to keep the Cadian Shock Troops alive with their own planets rather than a Tanith 1st stranded throughout the galaxy.
And as a Cadian fan the whole "get revenge and symbolically reclaim the ruins of Cadia" thing does get my blood pumping and ready to smash chaos forces across the table, so it is definitely working ;-).

If this is the sort of fluff quality we can expect from the story progression then I'm more than happy about it (infinitely better than how they handled the WFB end times and the AoS fluff).

I have to agree. As a guy who has enough Cadian models that I don't even want to feel bad by counting how many, Abbadon just blew up my regiment's homeworld, killed it's two most iconic heroes, and scattered the remains of it's forces. He sure as hell feels like a threat to me. If this happened to Space Marine's most iconic chapter, Macragge would be obliterated and Marneus Calgar slain.

Right now there's a massive and mostly pointless force sitting there like a galactic Maginot line guarding a former choke point which is now too wide to stop anything. On top of that places like Mordian, Baal, Valhalla, Atilla and Macragge have all been either cut off or destroyed by a combination of the new warp rift and resurgent Necron dynasties. As far as I can remember the Imperium has never been in this much trouble, if they didn't have Guilliman coming back to give something to the Empire this really WOULD be the 40k end times because chaos would be about to win, and as much as I like grimdark if chaos wins you have to stop producing content for like 90% of the armies.

DrLoveMonkey wrote:

 Ragnar Blackmane wrote:

For me this is just an awesome piece of lore (the last, cut off bastions still holding out against all odds) and also serves to keep the n Shock Troops alive with their own planets rather than a Tanith 1st stranded throughout the galaxy.
And as a n fan the whole "get revenge and symbolically reclaim the ruins of " thing does get my blood pumping and ready to smash chaos forces across the table, so it is definitely working ;-).

If this is the sort of fluff quality we can expect from the story progression then I'm more than happy about it (infinitely better than how they handled the WFB end times and the AoS fluff).

I have to agree. As a guy who has enough n models that I don't even want to feel bad by counting how many, Abbadon just blew up my regiment's homeworld, killed it's two most iconic heroes, and scattered the remains of it's forces. He sure as hell feels like a threat to me. If this happened to Space Marine's most iconic chapter, Macragge would be obliterated and Marneus Calgar slain.

Right now there's a massive and mostly pointless force sitting there like a galactic Maginot line guarding a former choke point which is now too wide to stop anything. On top of that places like Mordian, Baal, Valhalla, Atilla and Macragge have all been either cut off or destroyed by a combination of the new warp rift and resurgent Necron dynasties. As far as I can remember the Imperium has never been in this much trouble, if they didn't have Guilliman coming back to give something to the Empire this really WOULD be the 40k end times because chaos would be about to win, and as much as I like grimdark if chaos wins you have to stop producing content for like 90% of the armies.

Creed is alive, though.

And yes, this is being handled far better than end times and AoS launch.

Fair enough. I wouldn't want them to write off cadia all together either if that was my army. Remnants allow for that. I should have empathised my "hope" comment because that was what I was mainly referring to. The Galaxy is divided in half by something that basically eats reality itself, and yet the seems to be a distinct lack of "oh " in the narrative itself.

I'll be eager to see if the fluff makes it into a more tragic event than these pr releases have so far

 Ragnar Blackmane wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
I don't believe GW has ever "officially" referred to any edition of 40K as it's numbered nomenclature (as we tend to). They might off-camera use the same terminology, but I can't recall a single time GW have put in print "Prepare for 5th edition!" etc..

Actually, the skull on the cover of the 4th Edition rulebook had a IV carved into it. I think that's the only time they acknowledged the number of an edition in that fashion though (or in general, officially at least), they definitely didn't for 5-8.

Edit: Ah, found it:

The fifth edition rulebook had a 'V' as part of a shield design on the cover or something along those lines.

Now that's something worth fighting for

 Capamaru wrote:
So 40k is getting AOSed... we are getting something like an End Times, we just don't call it that way cause we will upset people... I really wanna see where the game is going but I can tell you right now I don't like the direction.

It feels less like end times and more like the glory days of 2nd edition, but with some rules simplification.

I have over a $1000 worth of codexes invalidated by 8th edition, but so far I am really liking the announced changes.

The only thing I'm sad to see go is summoning, but I understand how it was a problem .

The preview information on assault has already given me faith the Orks and Tyranids will do better in 8th than they have in last few editions.

If Cult Ambush rules make it over to 8th edition, Genestealer Cults will be sitting pretty as well.

Space Marines do well in EVERY edition.

 Elbows wrote:
It just makes sense on the consumer side. There have been (to date) seven major rulebooks or revamps of the game mechanics. We've arbitrarily assigned edition numbers to them.

That's the opposite of arbitrary.

I hope they do a faction focus on lore as well as rules. Just a little tease for all the major factions new lore in the setting.