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2017/05/16 21:57:15
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Death Guard / Dark Imperium fluff(All info in OP)
Galas wrote: If AoS has teach me anything, is that the first year they will push to no end this new Primaris Marines and some kind of Chaos Antagonist, but after that they will began to do again good things like the lovely Kharadron Overlords!
Man everything they have been releasing has been fantastic. even during the hard AOS push. (model wise) rules im not 100% fluent enough too judge
to be fair i cant get enough of those griffin puppies.
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ImAGeek wrote: On the plus side, Sanguinius could make a really really cool model.
Could being the operative word. I'm not sure I trust GW to pull it off, Sanguinius absolutely would not suit the mashed about potato face style of a plastic kit, he needs resin to pull off IMO.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
I am fine with them changing any rules, but changing iconic fluff, i will need some time to process this. I understand it has changed before, but at the moment it is such an iconic piece of 40k history, i mean ........
/rant
I can certainly see the possibility of old marines very slowly getting phased out over like a dozen years. I don't think this is a bad way to do it tough.
I wouldn't have a problem in like 8 years when 10th edition coming along, another retcon would just merge the marines and puff primaris marines never happened, indominitus crusade is just one of many ordinary crusades.
I really am curious about tomorrow article tough, that should answer some questions about how many armies would function(summoners, outflankers, deepstrikers)
Grey Templar wrote: The Riptide can't be a giant death robot, its completely lacking a sword or massive chainsaw. All giant death robots have swords or massive chainsaws.
2017/05/16 22:10:54
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Death Guard / Dark Imperium fluff(All info in OP)
Galas wrote: If AoS has teach me anything, is that the first year they will push to no end this new Primaris Marines and some kind of Chaos Antagonist, but after that they will began to do again good things like the lovely Kharadron Overlords!
Man everything they have been releasing has been fantastic. even during the hard AOS push. (model wise) rules im not 100% fluent enough too judge
to be fair i cant get enough of those griffin puppies.
Yeah, they are fantastic if you like Stormcast Eternals or Space Marines. I'm not discussing about the quality of the sculpts. Heck, I'm even guilty of buying in the Bloodbound of AoS But the thing I like more of warhammer is how variety it has. So the idea of months and months of power-armour releases don't interest me much (Only if they are womans with a bob-cut hair)
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/05/16 22:15:14
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Death Guard / Dark Imperium fluff(All info in OP)
Lysenis wrote: Hmmmm what if... (we all love this game don't we ^_~)
Chaos gods pieced Horus's should together though the pieces of his humanity are now gone. Over 10,000 years they developed the perfect Chaos.... King... For a king of chaos he would be. The only entities greater than him are the God's of Chaos themselves. Daemon Princes bow, and Abbadon quakes. It turns out that the creation of the giant rift splitting the Imperium was actually caused by the revival of this being. Of this King of Chaos.
Now, the other sleeping primarchs are rising. Those not dead are coming out of hiding, those with a soul saved by the Emperor and pushed into a form to protect and say it's children. The emperor stirs in his seat and the Imperium feels the rumbles out to the fringes of the Galaxy.
All the while, a being trapped in the warp, greater than the Chaos gods stirs
Sounds like Archeon the Everchosen, Grand Marshal of Chaos Undivided, decided to come to the future for a bit.
That is what Horus represents but on such a grand scale of betrayal...
As for Abbadon filling that role, heh.... I don't think he makes even a quarter of the high end Daemon Princess grovel. The King of Chaos... He would make the Lord of Change and all those higher up Daemon Princes his underlings.
I don't think Gork, or Mork is... So... Revolting
2017/05/16 22:17:39
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Death Guard / Dark Imperium fluff(All info in OP)
Galas wrote: If AoS has teach me anything, is that the first year they will push to no end this new Primaris Marines and some kind of Chaos Antagonist, but after that they will began to do again good things like the lovely Kharadron Overlords!
True - they need their bread and butter, but maybe the KO sellout will change their minds a bit.
2017/05/16 22:18:28
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Death Guard / Dark Imperium fluff(All info in OP)
ImAGeek wrote: On the plus side, Sanguinius could make a really really cool model.
Could being the operative word. I'm not sure I trust GW to pull it off, Sanguinius absolutely would not suit the mashed about potato face style of a plastic kit, he needs resin to pull off IMO.
As someone not terribly familiar with Sanguinius could you explain why?
2017/05/16 22:23:43
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Death Guard / Dark Imperium fluff(All info in OP)
ImAGeek wrote: On the plus side, Sanguinius could make a really really cool model.
Could being the operative word. I'm not sure I trust GW to pull it off, Sanguinius absolutely would not suit the mashed about potato face style of a plastic kit, he needs resin to pull off IMO.
As someone not terribly familiar with Sanguinius could you explain why?
He is the most beautiful of the primarchs, with a very slender and femenine face. In plastic thats is very difficult to accomplish. (I think he said it for that reason)
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/05/16 22:24:58
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Death Guard / Dark Imperium fluff(All info in OP)
He is the most beautiful of the primarchs, with a very slender and femenine face. In plastic thats is very difficult to accomplish. (I think he said it for that reason)
Cool - thanks
2017/05/16 22:29:27
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Death Guard / Dark Imperium fluff(All info in OP)
ImAGeek wrote: On the plus side, Sanguinius could make a really really cool model.
Could being the operative word. I'm not sure I trust GW to pull it off, Sanguinius absolutely would not suit the mashed about potato face style of a plastic kit, he needs resin to pull off IMO.
As someone not terribly familiar with Sanguinius could you explain why?
He is the most beautiful of the primarchs, with a very slender and femenine face. In plastic thats is very difficult to accomplish. (I think he said it for that reason)
Fulgrim would have a word...
But the concern about the difficulty... Sanguinius would be about Alarielle's size no doubt, and she looks many parts femenine and slender.
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There's no rule that says I can't.
ImAGeek wrote: On the plus side, Sanguinius could make a really really cool model.
Could being the operative word. I'm not sure I trust GW to pull it off, Sanguinius absolutely would not suit the mashed about potato face style of a plastic kit, he needs resin to pull off IMO.
As someone not terribly familiar with Sanguinius could you explain why?
Organic surfaces (feathers,) flowing robes and subtle facial features. Things that plastic/GW sculptors don't do all that well IMO.
Plus we'll get random swirly gak to support him to make it look like he's flying and very likely typical GW lack of restraint on greeble.
None of which means that a plastic kit can't/won't be great, but I fear the odds are stacked against it. Not that it'll matter if you're 12 and collect BA, but for me I'd rather see the subtlety and restraint that FW could impart in a resin kit way more than what will likely result from the GW treatment.
Just look at the RG differences to see what I mean.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
v0iddrgn wrote: Guess this means not as many narrative games will be played out in 8th?
Depends. The scenarios/missions included will be a driving factor. The Ambush scenario previewed earlier lends itself pretty well to narrative games, and I believe they're bringing back Meatgrinder as well.
Power Levels seem like they might be better for narrative type long term campaigns that I've seen FLGS run instead of points. Friendlier for newer and more casual players to jump in with.
2017/05/16 22:52:17
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Death Guard / Dark Imperium fluff(All info in OP)
v0iddrgn wrote: Guess this means not as many narrative games will be played out in 8th?
Depends. The scenarios/missions included will be a driving factor. The Ambush scenario previewed earlier lends itself pretty well to narrative games, and I believe they're bringing back Meatgrinder as well.
Power Levels seem like they might be better for narrative type long term campaigns that I've seen FLGS run instead of points. Friendlier for newer and more casual players to jump in with.
You could also design a Campaign system with an injury table....
2017/05/16 23:16:10
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Death Guard / Dark Imperium fluff(All info in OP)
v0iddrgn wrote: Guess this means not as many narrative games will be played out in 8th?
Depends. The scenarios/missions included will be a driving factor. The Ambush scenario previewed earlier lends itself pretty well to narrative games, and I believe they're bringing back Meatgrinder as well.
Power Levels seem like they might be better for narrative type long term campaigns that I've seen FLGS run instead of points. Friendlier for newer and more casual players to jump in with.
You could also design a Campaign system with an injury table....
LOL I meant the fact that these rumored fluff changes seem to be very unpopular.
2017/05/16 23:21:06
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Death Guard / Dark Imperium fluff(All info in OP)
v0iddrgn wrote: Guess this means not as many narrative games will be played out in 8th?
Depends. The scenarios/missions included will be a driving factor. The Ambush scenario previewed earlier lends itself pretty well to narrative games, and I believe they're bringing back Meatgrinder as well.
Power Levels seem like they might be better for narrative type long term campaigns that I've seen FLGS run instead of points. Friendlier for newer and more casual players to jump in with.
You could also design a Campaign system with an injury table....
LOL I meant the fact that these rumored fluff changes seem to be very unpopular.
Make them popular! Work them up to a BIG ARMEGGEDON BATTLE OF DOOOOOOOMMMMMM
Have prizes, watch marine squads gain veteran status or get obliterated. Take a leafed from SW: Armada's Corelian Conflict campaign.
Use power levels and various missions and make it fun!
v0iddrgn wrote: Guess this means not as many narrative games will be played out in 8th?
Depends. The scenarios/missions included will be a driving factor. The Ambush scenario previewed earlier lends itself pretty well to narrative games, and I believe they're bringing back Meatgrinder as well.
Power Levels seem like they might be better for narrative type long term campaigns that I've seen FLGS run instead of points. Friendlier for newer and more casual players to jump in with.
You could also design a Campaign system with an injury table....
LOL I meant the fact that these rumored fluff changes seem to be very unpopular.
Bah, these fluff rumors are just rumors. People complain they will leave all the time. They either return (like me... From a 5 year hiatus) or they don't.
Enjoy the game!
On changes and rumors before I get snipped by the great Alpharius. The Tau changes makes me happy. I expect Toughness to be reworked a bit and wounds/armor. Also games will have more survival since armor saves are more of a thing
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2017/05/16 23:37:23
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Death Guard / Dark Imperium fluff(All info in OP)
He read another poster mention it about 5 minutes before he posted it.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
I can live with the Sanguinor being the Spirit of Sanguinus. Even reviving for X means all the Primarchs. Yeah, its scrapping the deep end of the barrel...
But retconing this?!
How can they live with that?
I suppose that they aren't gonna Retcon to bring Ollanius Pius back, no?
This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2017/05/17 00:14:12
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/05/17 00:41:41
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Death Guard / Dark Imperium fluff(All info in OP)
Man, if they give Blood Angels the rest of the C:SM models, I will be all over that. Probably a Stormhawk or two and some Assault Centurions. If the Angel comes back, I will be mad at first, but if his model is good, I will be mad while I am painting him.
I am wondering if the storm surge will keep it's current toughness/ save profile. T6 3+ isn't too bad, and if a 6 hullpoint knight went up to 20+ wounds, I can imagine an 8 wound monster going up to at least 24-26.
Blowing off weapons and destroying mobility to help assault elements keep it pinned down are the most likely damage penalties.
Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote: I am wondering if the storm surge will keep it's current toughness/ save profile. T6 3+ isn't too bad, and if a 6 hullpoint knight went up to 20+ wounds, I can imagine an 8 wound monster going up to at least 24-26.
Blowing off weapons and destroying mobility to help assault elements keep it pinned down are the most likely damage penalties.
There is almost 0 chance that the storm surge will have more wounds than a knight. 7th wounds are not equivalent to HPs.
2017/05/17 01:03:48
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 16 May 2017: Death Guard / Dark Imperium fluff(All info in OP)
Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote: I am wondering if the storm surge will keep it's current toughness/ save profile. T6 3+ isn't too bad, and if a 6 hullpoint knight went up to 20+ wounds, I can imagine an 8 wound monster going up to at least 24-26.
Blowing off weapons and destroying mobility to help assault elements keep it pinned down are the most likely damage penalties.
I'm pretty sure they said that Knights had some of the most wounds. Guessing Stormsurge might be about the same.
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I mean, fifty bucks is on the line.
There's no rule that says I can't.
It will almost definitely have more wounds, but it won't exceed the Knight. It has five times the weapons of a Knight, so if it is as durable as a Knight, it is going to be paying for it. I doubt a 500 pt Stormsurge would be palatable for the average Tau player (paying appropriate points for stuff is an anathema to them in the first place), so it is going to have to sacrifice in one way or another to get that amount of shooting.
But the thing I like more of warhammer is how variety it has. So the idea of months and months of power-armour releases don't interest me much (Only if they are womans with a bob-cut hair)
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