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 Azreal13 wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
This is what happens when space marine fans drink the Kool-aid. Now we have 30k MK2. I think I'm going to quit playing 40k and just go to Age of Sigmar for a few years until you either work this out or they start making super Primarch and I know the 40k I loved is dead in the gutter for a thinly veiled 30k in modern times.

You said this weeks ago....

I believe Gamgee is like a smoker; he "quits" 40k between each battle/painting session.

There will be many people claiming to quit, we will see most of them around here after 8th drops.

There is also the fact that every Primarch is an engineered being and the guy who made them is technically still around, there's really no reason they couldn't be rebuilt any more than one couldn't make another car if the first one got written off.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
This is what happens when space marine fans drink the Kool-aid. Now we have 30k MK2. I think I'm going to quit playing 40k and just go to Age of Sigmar for a few years until you either work this out or they start making super Primarch and I know the 40k I loved is dead in the gutter for a thinly veiled 30k in modern times.

You said this weeks ago....

I know but ripping of a band aid can be a slow painful process. 40k has so much meaning to me, and I keep hoping it will get better. Then every turn it just gets more like 30k.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Bringing Sanguinius back doesn't mean undoing the effects of his death. His death happened, and it's still imprinted upon the blood angels. Maybe one of his tasks can be helping them get over it (and coming to terms with it himself).

Hell, it might even convince the Blood Angels to fight harder. Death is not the end for their Primarch, and their fury does not end with it either.

 Desubot wrote:

 Jambles wrote:
Oh boy, here we go.

Once they start saying primarchs that died didn't actually die, you can be sure we're off the deep end of the creativity for the setting.

I'm sure the retcons will be totally respectful of what makes 40k interesting as a setting for a wargame, and won't at all be a sanitising and homogenising of the various story elements for practical marketing purposes...

Well with soul magic and the likes i wouldnt mind if some of the super dead primarchs came back in some specific ways like some bs eldar soul stone nonsense or they poked at dad and her burped out sanguinuses soul that proceded to take over some notable blood angle guy and now he IS Sanguinious.

maybe trollzian makes a deal to release his pokeball primarch and girlyman sets out of his adventures in joto to catch all the primarchmons.

i honestly have no issue with it.

40k story is already ridiculous as it is so whats the worse that can happen.

Just because you can - doesn't mean you should...

I'm being a bit negative about it, I'm sure it won't be that bad, but it's been a trend for GW for a long time. It stinks of business-oriented decision making

 Gamgee wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
This is what happens when space marine fans drink the Kool-aid. Now we have 30k MK2. I think I'm going to quit playing 40k and just go to Age of Sigmar for a few years until you either work this out or they start making super Primarch and I know the 40k I loved is dead in the gutter for a thinly veiled 30k in modern times.

You said this weeks ago....

I know but ripping of a band aid can be a slow painful process. 40k has so much meaning to me, and I keep hoping it will get better. Then every turn it just gets more like 30k.

No, ripping off a band aid is, by definition, a quick process. Otherwise you're not ripping it off.

The A-team right there. Guilliman (Hannibal), Dorn (B.A), The Lion (Faceman) and Sanguinius (Howling Mad) cas you know he can fly.

Thinking more of it though. Sanguinius being the beacon of light for all those trapped on the other side of the rift just feels right.

Edit: Plus with more mentions of the Imperial Fists having a major involvement in the new Crusade, fully expect Dorn too.

 Cephalobeard wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Bringing Sanguinius back doesn't mean undoing the effects of his death. His death happened, and it's still imprinted upon the blood angels. Maybe one of his tasks can be helping them get over it (and coming to terms with it himself).

Hell, it might even convince the Blood Angels to fight harder. Death is not the end for their Primarch, and their fury does not end with it either.

I...yeah...exactly! There you go, thank you!

 Rippy wrote:
I will have a read through the rumors when I can, thanks Warhams-77!

You are welcome. Please be careful with any interpretations (including mine) in the OP, better just link to her article and her comments below. But it looks like a future Blood Angels campaign and some interesting related releases

 Azreal13 wrote:
There is also the fact that every Primarch is an engineered being and the guy who made them is technically still around, there's really no reason they couldn't be rebuilt any more than one couldn't make another car if the first one got written off.

The problem is not really bringing back Sanguinus. The problem is that Atia has basically confirmed that they are gonna retcon all the Emperor vs Horus battle. Why no real reason for that... maybe they wan't to revive Horus? Pf.

BACK ON TOPIC HERE PLEASE.

THE REMINDER BEING THAT THE TOPIC IS "Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary".

 Jambles wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 Jambles wrote:
Oh boy, here we go.

Once they start saying primarchs that died didn't actually die, you can be sure we're off the deep end of the creativity for the setting.

I'm sure the retcons will be totally respectful of what makes 40k interesting as a setting for a wargame, and won't at all be a sanitising and homogenising of the various story elements for practical marketing purposes...

Well with soul magic and the likes i wouldnt mind if some of the super dead primarchs came back in some specific ways like some bs eldar soul stone nonsense or they poked at dad and her burped out sanguinuses soul that proceded to take over some notable blood angle guy and now he IS Sanguinious.

maybe trollzian makes a deal to release his pokeball primarch and girlyman sets out of his adventures in joto to catch all the primarchmons.

i honestly have no issue with it.

40k story is already ridiculous as it is so whats the worse that can happen.

Just because you can - doesn't mean you should...

I'm being a bit negative about it, I'm sure it won't be that bad, but it's been a trend for GW for a long time. It stinks of business-oriented decision making

i just like the idea of primarchmon GO its mostly in jest but could be a goal for gulliman. edit: Bah mod warning sorry mate.

Man if only Vampires and Angles had a history in popular culture of coming back from the dead this whole Sanguinius thing would be much simpler.

 Azreal13 wrote:
There is also the fact that every Primarch is an engineered being and the guy who made them is technically still around, there's really no reason they couldn't be rebuilt any more than one couldn't make another car if the first one got written off.

Well, if there absolutely needs to be Primarchs in 40K, I'd prefer them to be brand new creations, rather than all the guys who died/vanished ten thousand years ago suddenly and conveniently returning all at once.

 Galas wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
There is also the fact that every Primarch is an engineered being and the guy who made them is technically still around, there's really no reason they couldn't be rebuilt any more than one couldn't make another car if the first one got written off.

The problem is not really bringing back Sanguinus. The problem is that Atia has basically confirmed that they are gonna retcon all the Emperor vs Horus battle. Why no real reason for that... maybe they wan't to revive Horus? Pf.

For the record, I'm fairly skeptical that Sanguinius will return, but not totally convinced it's impossible. It is, however, the most obvious thing to retcon. If the Emperor doesn't end up on the Golden Throne, that is literally the central core of the whole setting out the window, if Horus doesn't end up so utterly destroyed that his soul basically never existed, well, I guess there's scope to alter that to introduce the possibility of his return, but we've already got enough Horus clones (or rumoured ones) in the background that there's no need to change that to allow for it.

Most likely it'll just be changes to the order and occurrence of events that allows for better Black Library and GW/FW interactions and nothing materially changes in terms of the outcome.


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 Crimson wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
There is also the fact that every Primarch is an engineered being and the guy who made them is technically still around, there's really no reason they couldn't be rebuilt any more than one couldn't make another car if the first one got written off.

Well, if there absolutely needs to be Primarchs in 40K, I'd prefer them to be brand new creations, rather than all the guys who died/vanished ten thousand years ago suddenly and conveniently returning all at once.

Yeah, but the souls of the dead ones will be returned to new bodies, thanks to a pact with Ynnead, even if that's the case.

Ruin wrote:

LightKing wrote:
Wait a second people are hating on the Indomitus Crusade


why? we havn't even learned anything about it yet?

1- GW covered it today.

2- The misuse of this trope is mainly why there have been complaints about it. We know a fair bit from the article today and the video from a couple of weeks ago.

Oh you, I just lost twenty minutes of my life and ended up reading about Stargate Atlantis.

Gamgee wrote:This is what happens when space marine fans drink the Kool-aid. Now we have 30k MK2. I think I'm going to quit playing 40k and just go to Age of Sigmar for a few years until you either work this out or they start making super Primarch and I know the 40k I loved is dead in the gutter for a thinly veiled 30k in modern times.

This is not 40k anymore. It's not even 41k or advancing the plot. It's going backwards in time to the same 30k gak. It's only a matter of time until they make an Emperor model and chaos gods too. This setting is officially jumping the shark.

I'm honestly thinking the same thing. May have to step away and come back once GW figures out what it wants this setting to be now. I've never wanted so badly for an Atia rumor to be false or misinterpreted. Nothing takes me out of a story faster than undoing a character's heroic sacrifice. It's why I stopped liking the Legend of Drizzt 2/3 of the way through.

Warhams-77 wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
I will have a read through the rumors when I can, thanks Warhams-77!

You are welcome. Please be careful with any interpretations (including mine) in the OP, better just link to her article and her comments below. But it looks like a future Blood Angels campaign and some interesting related releases

I have added it to the OP, can you please check to see if you are happy with what I added?

Ahhhh, the joys of history and how people forget so easily the rule history follows.

"History repeats itself"

Knowing that, this baby crusade and RG's innate desire to make his farther proud is huge.

I'm personally torn about primarchs returning, numarines, etc... it has the potential, with good writing (?), to create an interesting narrative for new players and some older ones. That said, it is starting to lose some of what I liked most about the setting. The fact that all these primarchs died in the heresy or shortly afterwards defined much of the present, and it's also what made the HH era feel so epic. You were reading about a history and beings no longer in the present, and a lost golden age that is not returning.

 Rippy wrote:

I have added it to the OP, can you please check to see if you are happy with what I added?

Yes, thanks, Rippy

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Man if only Vampires and Angles had a history in popular culture of coming back from the dead this whole Sanguinius thing would be much simpler.

Hmmmm what if... (we all love this game don't we ^_~)

Chaos gods pieced Horus's should together though the pieces of his humanity are now gone. Over 10,000 years they developed the perfect Chaos.... King... For a king of chaos he would be. The only entities greater than him are the God's of Chaos themselves. Daemon Princes bow, and Abbadon quakes. It turns out that the creation of the giant rift splitting the Imperium was actually caused by the revival of this being. Of this King of Chaos.

Now, the other sleeping primarchs are rising. Those not dead are coming out of hiding, those with a soul saved by the Emperor and pushed into a form to protect and say it's children. The emperor stirs in his seat and the Imperium feels the rumbles out to the fringes of the Galaxy.

All the while, a being trapped in the warp, greater than the Chaos gods stirs

I don't think we need Horus back because Abaddon fulfills his role now.

 Lysenis wrote:


All the while, a being trapped in the warp, greater than the Chaos gods stirs

Obviously that would be Gork... or possibly Mork.

There was a piece of fluff that stated that the armories of Mars and Terra held incredibly powerful equipment. Some of it new, some of it ancient. The doors to these armories are now opening.

The Primaris marines are part of that. Likely their new weapons (and rumored vehicles) will be new and powerful as well.

What I'm wondering is, will this be an excuse for more Heresy era tech to be shoehorned into the 40k universe when they do 8th edition rules for all the Forge World stuff? I collected a lot of Custodes. If I could get my hands on their jetbikes, dreadnoughts, grav tanks, and terminators I would be a happy camper.

 Lysenis wrote:
Hmmmm what if... (we all love this game don't we ^_~)

Chaos gods pieced Horus's should together though the pieces of his humanity are now gone. Over 10,000 years they developed the perfect Chaos.... King... For a king of chaos he would be. The only entities greater than him are the God's of Chaos themselves. Daemon Princes bow, and Abbadon quakes. It turns out that the creation of the giant rift splitting the Imperium was actually caused by the revival of this being. Of this King of Chaos.

Now, the other sleeping primarchs are rising. Those not dead are coming out of hiding, those with a soul saved by the Emperor and pushed into a form to protect and say it's children. The emperor stirs in his seat and the Imperium feels the rumbles out to the fringes of the Galaxy.

All the while, a being trapped in the warp, greater than the Chaos gods stirs

Sounds like Archeon the Everchosen, Grand Marshal of Chaos Undivided, decided to come to the future for a bit.

GW, please. Keep Sanguinius dead.

Seriously. Stop.

Stop GW.

Stoooooooooooop!

If AoS has teach me anything, is that the first year they will push to no end this new Primaris Marines and some kind of Chaos Antagonist, but after that they will began to do again good things like the lovely Kharadron Overlords!

On the plus side, Sanguinius could make a really really cool model.

 cuda1179 wrote:
There was a piece of fluff that stated that the armories of Mars and Terra held incredibly powerful equipment. Some of it new, some of it ancient. The doors to these armories are now opening.

The Primaris marines are part of that. Likely their new weapons (and rumored vehicles) will be new and powerful as well.

What I'm wondering is, will this be an excuse for more Heresy era tech to be shoehorned into the 40k universe when they do 8th edition rules for all the Forge World stuff? I collected a lot of Custodes. If I could get my hands on their jetbikes, dreadnoughts, grav tanks, and terminators I would be a happy camper.

I wouldn't say no to stuff that's inspired by or based on HH gear for the Primaris Marines, after all there mk-x armour seems to take quite a few cues from the mk-iv design. But I'd prefer not to get direct ports as it helps to keep the two era's distinct.

 Galas wrote:
If AoS has teach me anything, is that the first year they will push to no end this new Primaris Marines and some kind of Chaos Antagonist, but after that they will began to do again good things like the lovely Kharadron Overlords!

Its going to be interesting to see how much the Primaris and the new Death guard draw from the existing SM and CSM ranges. I have a LR, a Vindicator and a couple of Rhinos still in there boxes that could end up in either or neither force depending on how things go.