the_scotsman wrote:

Marleymoo wrote:
I've been out of the 40K loop for a while, but the Trygon rules says "At the end of any of your movement phases, set up etc.."
Didn't we have to do some kind of reserve roll before, or is this just part of it's Subterranean Assault rule.

Will other "Tactical Reserves" also not need to roll do you think?

I certainly hope so, because they have said that anything not in on turn 3 is destroyed.

Even if it were a 2+ roll, it'd suuuuuuuuuck to lose your deep striking unit just because you rolled 3 unlucky 1's.

leopard wrote:
Draw a ling across the front of the model, are you when firing at the vehicle totally ahead of that line? if you front armour, if partly ahead or totally behind, rear armour. allow ordinance to use the top armour plus infantry in close assault.

 Jidmah wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
I would expect transport rules get a mention.

And yeah no facings. GW decided to say screw to logic.

Logic as in Space Marine carrying heavy bolter shoots at chimera - and is unable to put as much as a dent into the chimera. He moves half an inch to the right and shoots again - the shot now suddenly penetrates the armor plates of the chimera, hits a vital piece of equipment and the APC explodes in a fireball, killing everybody inside. You know, because it mattered where the marine was standing, and not where he was aiming.

Facings were totally logical. Especially on anything the tau or eldar call a vehicle.

You could either write six pages of rules and draw a diagram for every single vehicle ever, or you could just drop the whole thing, making the rules a lot simpler with little to no loss.

I think GW has made the right choice.

Spoletta wrote:
And this is great! I never understood why Raveners that "deepstrike" by slowly approaching an enemy from underground, have the same accuracy and mishapp chances of something blindly teleporting on the battflefield from outside the orbit of the planet!

the_scotsman wrote:

 Kroem wrote:

It's the only situation where i not only want the specific paint job of a model to affect it's rules

Would everybody hate if there was some sort of guidance saying that if you want to use a particular faction keyword then there must be something on the models to signify that it is part of that faction? Be that back banners, decals paint schema or whatever.

I think that would prevent people from 'faction hoping' to gain an advantage against different opponents, although people like that would probably just find a different way to game the system!

No, because I like to see people coming up with their own paint schemes. If your electric space tigers want to use Salamanders rules because it makes the most sense in their fluff, I don't care.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
And this is great! I never understood why Raveners that "deepstrike" by slowly approaching an enemy from underground, have the same accuracy and mishapp chances of something blindly teleporting on the battflefield from outside the orbit of the planet!

Have you ever tried slowly tunneling up under someone and getting it pinpoint accurate? I tried and dug through a neighbours water main.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

leopard wrote:
Draw a ling across the front of the model, are you when firing at the vehicle totally ahead of that line? if you front armour, if partly ahead or totally behind, rear armour. allow ordinance to use the top armour plus infantry in close assault.

That works for FoW because they deal with a bunch of boxes. Trying to apply that mechanic to something like a creatively posed Wraithknight? Ork vehicle conversions? Even a Contemptor? Think I'd pass.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
And this is great! I never understood why Raveners that "deepstrike" by slowly approaching an enemy from underground, have the same accuracy and mishapp chances of something blindly teleporting on the battflefield from outside the orbit of the planet!

Have you ever tried slowly tunneling up under someone and getting it pinpoint accurate? I tried and dug through a neighbours water main.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
And this is great! I never understood why Raveners that "deepstrike" by slowly approaching an enemy from underground, have the same accuracy and mishapp chances of something blindly teleporting on the battflefield from outside the orbit of the planet!

Have you ever tried slowly tunneling up under someone and getting it pinpoint accurate? I tried and dug through a neighbours water main.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
And this is great! I never understood why Raveners that "deepstrike" by slowly approaching an enemy from underground, have the same accuracy and mishapp chances of something blindly teleporting on the battflefield from outside the orbit of the planet!

Have you ever tried slowly tunneling up under someone and getting it pinpoint accurate? I tried and dug through a neighbours water main.

To be fair you're not an intergalactic alien worm.

 Deadshot wrote:
You don't have alien bioengineered hypersentivity to vibration and the ability to pinpoint a heartbeat from miles away though.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

HOW DO YOU KNOW

Kroem wrote:

You can't force a guy playing with Dark Angels minis to stick to Dark Angels forever with said mins, when they can work as Salamanders or Blood Angels for today.

Yea I suppose so, I would probably treat it like playing someone with unpainted models i.e. I wouldn't be thrilled about it, but wouldn't refuse to play them or try to make them feel bad about it.

I like I idea of having to work within a more restrictive rule set to promote your strengths and mitigate your weaknesses though, rather than just changing the rules you play by to suit whatever you need for that particular battle.

Youn wrote:
Shouldn't bugs all have LoS from any one of the creatures? If a bunch of bugs are on the surface, I would think the one underground can see exactly what's going on above it. Because, it has a hive mind.

There are exceptions of course – Ork vehicles can be kitted out with some pretty deadly close combat options, which now function just like any other specialist close combat weapon: get hit by a Deathroller, for example, and prepare to be a pancake.

Also, it’s got Attacks and Strength! So it can fight (albeit inexpertly) in combat. This represents it literally ramming or smashing into enemy units.

Today we take a look at how vehicles work in the new Warhammer 40,000.

The best way to show you some of the changes is with an example. Because we haven’t really seen anything from the Necron dynasties yet, we’re going to look at the Annihilation Barge, staple fire-support gun platform of the undying legions:



So this thing looks VERY different in the new Warhammer 40,000.

For a start, it’s using the same stats as everyone else, so armour values on the various facings are out, and instead, we have Toughness, Wounds and an Armour Save, making it more comparable in durability to other large monsters and massive beasts of the Warhammer 40,000 universe.

Also, it’s got Attacks and Strength! So it can fight (albeit inexpertly) in combat. This represents it literally ramming or smashing into enemy units.

Some dedicated combat vehicles (commonly what used to be Walkers), will have melee weapons too, like the classic Dreadnought power fist, but most vehicles will need to make do with crushing enemies under tracks or crumpling them beneath anti-gravitic engines. Generally, these attacks will have a poor to hit roll (5+ or 6+) but high strength – because if a Land Raider runs you over, you’ll feel it. There are exceptions of course – Ork vehicles can be kitted out with some pretty deadly close combat options, which now function just like any other specialist close combat weapon: get hit by a Deathroller, for example, and prepare to be a pancake.



Vehicles will be affected by all the other new rules we’ve talked about too, so they will be able to move as any other model would, including advancing. They shoot just like everyone else does, including (with a few exceptions) -1 to hit with heavy weapons if they move. They can even charge! which effectively replaces the Tank Shock rules, except ANY vehicle can do it and they then fight just like any other unit in the Fight phase.



Generally, you’ll find that vehicles still fill the same roles in your army as they always have, but without so many exceptions to the core rules of the game. You’ll find them to be very durable, probably more so than they are today, and best used in coordination with infantry and where their own specialisations can be used to full effect.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Tank shock is more fun too.

I look forward to running people over with a Land Raider so the unit that was inside can charge safely afterwards. >

Youn wrote:
So, if you surround a vehicle with troops inside. It won't be able to FALL BACK, because it cannot tank shock an opponent now. And won't have space to move away. Any troops that are inside will be instantly destroyed because they won't be able to deploy more then 1" away from an opponent and within 3" of the vehicle.

This is going to make 90 plague zombies deadly to something like a rhino with troops in it.

Requizen wrote:
Finally, won't have to look up Tank Shock and read for 10 minutes every time someone gets the bright idea to use their Rhino for more than moving models. Less fluffy? Maybe a bit. Way easier to use? Frakkin right.