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 Weazel wrote:

FunJohn wrote:

 Weazel wrote:
I get that people link jump packs with assault, but to me this Inceptor squad doesn't seem to have anything to do with assault. I mean they seem to have two regular boltguns. I'm thinking flying dakka marines, Crysis Suit style.

I bet you they can use thoes in close combat as they refer to them as 'twin assault bolters'

Possibly. But I'm inclined to believe they serve more of a fire support role. But we'll soon learn.

That's also entirely possible. I think assault bolters are the Primaris version of the storm bolter

FunJohn wrote:

 Weazel wrote:
I get that people link jump packs with assault, but to me this Inceptor squad doesn't seem to have anything to do with assault. I mean they seem to have two regular boltguns. I'm thinking flying dakka marines, Crysis Suit style.

I bet you they can use thoes in close combat as they refer to them as 'twin assault bolters'

The "assault" part could refer to the weapon type. Assault weapons like stormbolters often weren't actually good in close combat.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Anybody know what that combat gauge is for? I've gone through the last ten pages of the thread and the only mentions of it are in the price list, but no explanation of what it does.

Same as this one.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-WW/Combat-Gauge

 Weazel wrote:
I get that people link jump packs with assault, but to me this Inceptor squad doesn't seem to have anything to do with assault. I mean they seem to have two regular boltguns. I'm thinking flying dakka marines, Crysis Suit style.

The guns look to be larger Bolt Pistols with "bullet shields".

I would think of them less as Crisis Suits and more like Seraphim; gunslingers with high mobility.

 lessthanjeff wrote:

FunJohn wrote:

 Weazel wrote:
I get that people link jump packs with assault, but to me this Inceptor squad doesn't seem to have anything to do with assault. I mean they seem to have two regular boltguns. I'm thinking flying dakka marines, Crysis Suit style.

I bet you they can use thoes in close combat as they refer to them as 'twin assault bolters'

The "assault" part could refer to the weapon type. Assault weapons like stormbolters often weren't actually good in close combat.

Oh yeah if the assault-type weapons are still in there that's possible. Entirely forgot those

DaemonJellybaby wrote:
From http://saltywargaming.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/warhammer-40k-8th-edition-pricing.html

Dark Imperium Starter Set £95.00
Warhammer 40,000 8th:Rulebook £35
Tactical Objective Cards £8.00
Sector Imperialis Objectives £20
Command Dice £12.50
Wound Trackers £8.00
Combat Gauge £6.00
Indices £15.00 each
Dark Imperium Novel £18.00

So a 125 euros or 265 dollars for the starter. Not bad to be honest. The rules are also fairly cheaper respect the older books. THe indexes are the latest pricing bracket for Battletome, 25 euros. Not bad.

The Inceptors really look more like jetpack/flying infantry than jump infantry, they look like something that is supposed to be floting most of the time, not walking (look at the "pseudo boots" that they wear under their feets, they are like stirrups)

This would indeed make they closer to Tau battle suits than to jump pack assault squads, and explain the choice of weapons.

Lord Kragan wrote:

DaemonJellybaby wrote:
From http://saltywargaming.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/warhammer-40k-8th-edition-pricing.html

Dark Imperium Starter Set £95.00
Warhammer 40,000 8th:Rulebook £35
Tactical Objective Cards £8.00
Sector Imperialis Objectives £20
Command Dice £12.50
Wound Trackers £8.00
Combat Gauge £6.00
Indices £15.00 each
Dark Imperium Novel £18.00

So a 125 euros or 265 dollars for the starter. Not bad to be honest. The rules are also fairly cheaper respect the older books. THe indexes are the latest pricing bracket for Battletome, 25 euros. Not bad.

$265 AUS - so that our resident Americans don't have a heart attack thinking that's the US price .

Warhams-77 wrote:
Assault marines and Gravis armour photo - via War of Sigmar - source: Stay Frosty Studios

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2038

Spoiler:

@John There were similiar markers before, that running symbol (arrow with food prints) looks familiar. Or are these command dice?

I can't understand everyone hating on the jump dudes. They're absolutely amazing! I really hope that the Primaris characters have a jump pack option, I really want a jump lieutenant or a captain.

As for the captain, that photo really shows what's wrong with the pose; the upper torso leans backwards, making the stomach look fat. The legs and the right arm bending backwards don't help either. I need to completely chop up this dude and rebuild him.

In Tau faction focus I think they mentioned Flying units can fall back from assault and shoot normally. I think that might be the case with Inceptors as well. They'd provide fire support, and if caught in melee they can just bounce back and unload their guns...

So, sorry if I missed it.. not reading every reply.. But, does the big book have the rules, or do the rules come in that little foldy thing in the box set kinda like the AOS rules?

So the box set comes with a mini codex for the new marines and death guard, but I'd assume all that content will be in those 6 index books too? Don't really think I need/want the starter set, models look great but I know I'll never get around to painting them... is there anything else in the starter set I'll actually need? I'm planning to get the big book plus the 6 index books, guess I'll be set with all that?

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

DaemonJellybaby wrote:
From http://saltywargaming.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/warhammer-40k-8th-edition-pricing.html

Dark Imperium Starter Set £95.00
Warhammer 40,000 8th:Rulebook £35
Tactical Objective Cards £8.00
Sector Imperialis Objectives £20
Command Dice £12.50
Wound Trackers £8.00
Combat Gauge £6.00
Indices £15.00 each
Dark Imperium Novel £18.00

So a 125 euros or 265 dollars for the starter. Not bad to be honest. The rules are also fairly cheaper respect the older books. THe indexes are the latest pricing bracket for Battletome, 25 euros. Not bad.

$265 AUS - so that our resident Americans don't have a heart attack thinking that's the US price .

Oh thank God for that. I really did almost have a heart attack.

 Weazel wrote:
In Tau faction focus I think they mentioned Flying units can fall back from assault and shoot normally. I think that might be the case with Inceptors as well. They'd provide fire support, and if caught in melee they can just bounce back and unload their guns...

They said that Crisis Suits could do it; there's no guarantee that it's directly something that all Flying units can do.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Weazel wrote:
In Tau faction focus I think they mentioned Flying units can fall back from assault and shoot normally. I think that might be the case with Inceptors as well. They'd provide fire support, and if caught in melee they can just bounce back and unload their guns...

They said that Crisis Suits could do it; there's no guarantee that it's directly something that all Flying units can do.

Well every unit with the 'Fly' keyword can, as far as I understood it

Youn wrote:
Wonder if their plasma gun gets hot? Seems like putting 5 guys with just plasma guns would be a recipe for disaster.

Go big or go home!

Those also look bigger than plasma guns, so maybe Plasma Rifles? 30" range?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Weazel wrote:
In Tau faction focus I think they mentioned Flying units can fall back from assault and shoot normally. I think that might be the case with Inceptors as well. They'd provide fire support, and if caught in melee they can just bounce back and unload their guns...

They said that Crisis Suits could do it; there's no guarantee that it's directly something that all Flying units can do.

I can't believe you're still banging that drum. The guys from FLG literally said it was all flying units on their podcast on Friday last Monday. It is 100% the fly keyword.

Link to the relevant part.

Eyjio wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Weazel wrote:
In Tau faction focus I think they mentioned Flying units can fall back from assault and shoot normally. I think that might be the case with Inceptors as well. They'd provide fire support, and if caught in melee they can just bounce back and unload their guns...

They said that Crisis Suits could do it; there's no guarantee that it's directly something that all Flying units can do.

I can't believe you're still banging that drum. The guys from FLG literally said it was all flying units on their podcast on Friday. It is 100% the fly keyword.

I'll keep banging that drum until I have the rules in hand specifically saying "Flying units can Fall Back from a combat and act normally", and even then I'll say it's stupid if that is the case.

 Frozocrone wrote:
So will the Imperium Index 1 factions all be allies and so on?

I hope they remove ally shenanigans in general to be honest.

If you share factions you share an FOC but you can lose out on specific faction bonuses.

Those Inceptors look goofy as hell. Close to dreadknight level.

What? I actually Like them alot. They almost Look Like a jump Pack unit that could Work.

I wonder how long before we see the first dedicated codex released and the index books start to become obsolete.

I love the gun-slinging fly boys.

Makes me think of the good old days of Urban War interdicts.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

PossumCraft wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

PossumCraft wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Apologies, I misremembered.

It was from the first Facebook Livestream.

Facebook? seriously?

FFS. We have to a member of that soulsucking hellhole just to get basic information nowadays?

Stop the world. I'm done.

In order to engage with your community, you use a platform a great majority have easy access too.

What a shocker

Its odd, but 99.9% of warhammer players have access to games-workshop.com.

That's a shop, not a social media platform that grants you instant communication with your customer base. Unless you expected them to redesign the site from the ground up?

A truly hi-larious objection, given that that's exactly what they did to turn their website into a mere webstore in the first place - it used to be an actual place for news and articles. But hey, it's GW, so I'm sure it would cost them another 4 million quid to add an additional dedicated rotating banner right under the navigation bar of the site linking to news items on the Community website, given a web design student could do it from their phone to pass the time as they used the bathroom

Not everybody is happy being the product(because that's what you are when you use "free" platforms like FB), and using third-party websites shouldn't be a requirement to find out what's going on when GW have perfectly servicable sites of their own.

As for the new books and box - hmm. A mixed bag. I'm probably going to end up ignoring 99% of the new Big Damn Heroes Edition fluff so the Primaris will only be of use to me as fodder for truescale Marines in proper marks of armour anyway, but a few of them do look pretty cool in their own right, like the helmeted Lieutenant. Those nuAssault Marines are derptacular though. The Plague Marine stuff will probably look much, much better to my eye in a more muted, grimy paint scheme. I like that their gear has lots of Heresy-era aesthetic cues hidden under the layers of mutation and corruption. The plague cultist models are a lot more spine-encrusted than I thought they'd be, those I'll have to see in bare plastic to decide if I can use. Overall a pretty good starter box that will either be fantastic if you're into the nuMarines thing or merely not bad if you're not.

The Indexes are probably the best solution we could expect from GW, the only reason they gave away free rules for existing models with AoS was they were getting rid of the existing factions and many of their models anyway. Still, given how big a shift this edition is going to be it would have been good if they released a small selectiion of datasheets, enough to make up a wee "sample army" list for each, so people could try out the new rules without having to spend any money first.

What is up with these names? On one hand you have the absurdly pretentious Inceptors and Intercessors (but not Interceptors mind you, because that's a word an English-speaker might conceivably use in normal conversation). And on the other you have the Hellblasters, a name the Pan Fo themselves would be proud to revile. I wonder if the captain is parentally inserted in his Gravitas Armour?

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 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:
So will the Imperium Index 1 factions all be allies and so on?

I hope they remove ally shenanigans in general to be honest.

If you share factions you share an FOC but you can lose out on specific faction bonuses.

Hmm this makes sense...kind of.

I think I will get to basics with the rules before recommitting - and if I recommit, only use one army for the time being.

Previews:

ooo where did you get that from?

DaemonJellybaby wrote:
From http://saltywargaming.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/warhammer-40k-8th-edition-pricing.html

Dark Imperium Starter Set £95.00
Warhammer 40,000 8th:Rulebook £35
Tactical Objective Cards £8.00
Sector Imperialis Objectives £20
Command Dice £12.50
Wound Trackers £8.00
Combat Gauge £6.00
Indices £15.00 each
Dark Imperium Novel £18.00

Not bad, that translates to $150 for the starter and $25 for the Indices. I am going to sell the Death Guard off, so about $100 for the Primaris and the BRB, and the $25 Marine Index. I will get the Other Imperium book later on. Crimson Fists and Blood Angels are my priority.

 Latro_ wrote:
ooo where did you get that from?

I collect random pixels from around the Internet~