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Wow, that starter box is awesome. I even like these weird Assault PSM. Gravis armour looks like a mix of new Terminator and Artificier.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

PossumCraft wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

PossumCraft wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Apologies, I misremembered.

It was from the first Facebook Livestream.

Facebook? seriously?

FFS. We have to a member of that soulsucking hellhole just to get basic information nowadays?

Stop the world. I'm done.

In order to engage with your community, you use a platform a great majority have easy access too.

What a shocker

Its odd, but 99.9% of warhammer players have access to games-workshop.com.

That's a shop, not a social media platform that grants you instant communication with your customer base. Unless you expected them to redesign the site from the ground up?

No, just would have hoped they'd repost relevant info to their own website

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I based it on GWs actual price brackets as I said. You know, the actual way they do their prices (and also the way everyone else is calculating their region's prices from the EU prices)?
And of course I'm aware, I live in Australia. However I do get a bit annoyed when you go all doom an gloom and make it seem even worse than it is, as that causes people to just dismiss us as idiotic whiners.

How though? Because the 7ed rulesbook has been $140 AUD since it was released, and is still that on the GW site right now. Which is a 69% markup over the EUR price of the same book, and an even greater markup over the GBP price. You can't compare model brackets to book brackets, because book prices are historically way worse than models.

I like this starter set, some good models in there, a hardcover (complete) rulebook, but also everything you would need to play if you were a beginner. A nice set overall

What I found interesting when looking at the closeups of MkX was how they have upgraded the MkI-VIII formula kind of to a new level (I think they look great) but also went back in time to unused Rogue Trader rulebook art with some of its elements like those bigger ear pieces and pipes on helmets, a bulkier and heavier looking armour and the gunslinger assault marines

Pics under spoiler

@ruprecht: By going to the a version of the GW store that uses the Euro as its currency (I used the Spanish site as that's where miniwars is based), found a recent item with the same price as one of the 40k 8th products, then went to the AUS store and searched for that product.

GW doesn't have a set price increase for items. If they did there'd be some even worse 'deals' on the Australian store.

As far as the models go, I'm in love! I especially appreciate the 7-man Plague Marine squad and the rotors of the Drone forming the Mark of Nurgle...

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
@ruprecht: By going to the a version of the GW store that uses the Euro as its currency (I used the Spanish site as that's where miniwars is based), found a recent item with the same price as one of the 40k 8th products, then went to the AUS store and searched for that product.

GW doesn't have a set price increase for items. If they did there'd be some even worse 'deals' on the Australian store.

That's probably where we diverged. If it was a model, the markup is different to books. OK problem solved, sorry if I got a bit worked up over war dollies.

 ruprecht wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
@ruprecht: By going to the a version of the GW store that uses the Euro as its currency (I used the Spanish site as that's where miniwars is based), found a recent item with the same price as one of the 40k 8th products, then went to the AUS store and searched for that product.

GW doesn't have a set price increase for items. If they did there'd be some even worse 'deals' on the Australian store.

That's probably where we diverged. If it was a model, the markup is different to books. OK problem solved, sorry if I got a bit worked up over war dollies.

Let's test this with 2 recent releases - the recent Gaunt Summoner release ($40AUD) and the softcover Battletome: Disciples of Tzeentch (also $40AUD).

On the Spanish store the Gaunt Summoner is 20 Euro, and Battletome: Disciples of Tzeentch is also 20 Euros.

While what you are saying might have been true in the past, it isn't true in the present.

I have to admit, I'm liking the model's style (Apart from the weird jump-packs and feet skids on the 'Interceptors), liking the more appropriate true-scale SM size (Although I think Eldar are going to need a slight boost now as they are meant to be taller and more slender than your average human - so they should sit somewhere between Guardsman and Primaris Marine), slightly worried about how Terminators will now fit into my army size-wise, and generally concerned about how GW will fluff-hammer these guys in.

Fluff-wise, it would be nice if they took them in the direction of a 1st Company only 'Promotion' - I.E, on promotion to 1st Company you get Termie Honours and a genetic boost, similar to the transition seen as scouts progressively gain more organ implantations throughout their training, culminating in the black carapace.

I get that people link jump packs with assault, but to me this Inceptor squad doesn't seem to have anything to do with assault. I mean they seem to have two regular boltguns. I'm thinking flying dakka marines, Crysis Suit style.

In case people were wondering what the marines might look like in different colours, I edited the image a bit (and badly, I'm sure):

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:


Let's test this with 2 recent releases - the recent Gaunt Summoner release ($40AUD) and the softcover Battletome: Disciples of Tzeentch (also $40AUD).

On the Spanish store the Gaunt Summoner is 20 Euro, and Battletome: Disciples of Tzeentch is also 20 Euros.

While what you are saying might have been true in the past, it isn't true in the present.

So only a 34% australia tax. Still not convinced it will carry over to premium hardback rules, but I guess we'll see. Maybe some of my bitching at GW over AU prices got through, you're welcome aussies

 Weazel wrote:
I get that people link jump packs with assault, but to me this Inceptor squad doesn't seem to have anything to do with assault. I mean they seem to have two regular boltguns. I'm thinking flying dakka marines, Crysis Suit style.

Good point. And it also shows that Primaris units will be supplementing current marine units. Filling gaps in battlefield roles and such

Wonder if their plasma gun gets hot? Seems like putting 5 guys with just plasma guns would be a recipe for disaster.

GW have really, really thought about this release. Boxed set, rulebook, army lists, gaming aids the full gamut of bits and bobs.

And what a gorgeous starter set, let us hope that the new rules live up to this release.

Do we know what these Command Dice are yet?
https://17890-presscdn-0-51-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/40K_Command_Dice.jpg

 ruprecht wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:


Let's test this with 2 recent releases - the recent Gaunt Summoner release ($40AUD) and the softcover Battletome: Disciples of Tzeentch (also $40AUD).

On the Spanish store the Gaunt Summoner is 20 Euro, and Battletome: Disciples of Tzeentch is also 20 Euros.

While what you are saying might have been true in the past, it isn't true in the present.

So only a 34% australia tax. Still not convinced it will carry over to premium hardback rules, but I guess we'll see. Maybe some of my bitching at GW over AU prices got through, you're welcome aussies

It was the same when Battletome: Disciples of Tzeentch was released (not the $40AUD price tag, but the way price brackets work and there being 0 discrepancy between new models and books).

But yes, we'll see. Maybe GW will buck the trend for the first time in a while and ignore the price bracket system completely. I doubt it, but you can't ever be 100% certain .

Also don't think of it as a formula, it fluctuates between brackets.

I guess the dice will be like the markers we had in earlier editions, showing wounds and other unit status?

Plague Marines and Characters look very busy and even with Nurgle level skill of painting look like a pain to paint... But I absolutely love those smiling plague cultists!

Warhams-77 wrote:
I guess the dice will be like the markers we had in earlier editions, showing wounds and other unit status?

Yeah the bottom ones with the skulls does look like wounds, but why would they sell seperate wound dice then? Just trying to clean out some stock?
The top ones with the droppod, grenade and other icons are what's intriguing.

Assault marines and Gravis armour photo - via War of Sigmar - source: Stay Frosty Studios

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2038



@John There were similiar markers before, that running symbol (arrow with food prints) looks familiar. Or are these command dice?

 Weazel wrote:
I get that people link jump packs with assault, but to me this Inceptor squad doesn't seem to have anything to do with assault. I mean they seem to have two regular boltguns. I'm thinking flying dakka marines, Crysis Suit style.

I bet you they can use thoes in close combat as they refer to them as 'twin assault bolters'

FunJohn wrote:

 Weazel wrote:
I get that people link jump packs with assault, but to me this Inceptor squad doesn't seem to have anything to do with assault. I mean they seem to have two regular boltguns. I'm thinking flying dakka marines, Crysis Suit style.

I bet you they can use thoes in close combat as they refer to them as 'twin assault bolters'

Possibly. But I'm inclined to believe they serve more of a fire support role. But we'll soon learn.

From http://saltywargaming.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/warhammer-40k-8th-edition-pricing.html

Dark Imperium Starter Set £95.00
Warhammer 40,000 8th:Rulebook £35
Tactical Objective Cards £8.00
Sector Imperialis Objectives £20
Command Dice £12.50
Wound Trackers £8.00
Combat Gauge £6.00
Indices £15.00 each
Dark Imperium Novel £18.00

Anybody know what that combat gauge is for? I've gone through the last ten pages of the thread and the only mentions of it are in the price list, but no explanation of what it does.

It's a ruler, they have been calling these combat gauge for a while

It's a metal thing with one edge measuring 3", another measuring 2", and the other measuring 1". Useful for coherency, combat, etc.

I am guessing:

Assault Bolter (2) Range 18" AP -1 D 1, Pistol 1

This would allow them to fire twice at 1" and use their attacks at strength for assault phase. The extra range would be in line with their other weapons.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Anybody know what that combat gauge is for? I've gone through the last ten pages of the thread and the only mentions of it are in the price list, but no explanation of what it does.

It's something they started using with AoS; it's an easier tool than a ruler for measuring coherency and distances for CC.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Anybody know what that combat gauge is for? I've gone through the last ten pages of the thread and the only mentions of it are in the price list, but no explanation of what it does.

It's basically a measuring tool, which each side being a different number of inches long.

They're useful for small distances like Coherency, Pile In, checking to see if you succeeded your Charge, that kind of thing.