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2017/05/23 11:49:03
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
PossumCraft wrote: I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.
Index books are half the price of a Codex and cover multiple factions each. Rulebook is cheaper and has rules for Cityfight, Planetary Assault, etc.
Somehow this equates to GW upping prices?
And they only ever said the basic rules would be free. If people interpreted otherwise, that's on them.
This moneygrab of 'index books' is brand new, no mention so far.
Their upping of prices is well documented over the past years. Every release costs more. Not just books but models, paints, tools.
5 books covering all armies at release has been known for quite a while. They never mentioned free though.
Mantic and Warlord had price increases fairly recently. Battlefront had one a while ago. Are these also members of some evil conspiracy to gouge hobbyists? Or are they having to adjust to stay profitible and reflect interest/declining currency values?
Where was this mention of 5 books being known? I've been following the warhammer community page, never seen that?
Literally in the first FaQGW released when they first announced 8th.
2017/05/23 11:49:09
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
PossumCraft wrote: So if rules for factions arent free, but all games require factions..?
Here's your game of battleship. Ships cost extra.
technically rules come in the box as well so it is free. However if you have models already you need the updated rules. Which aren't free.
ERGO here's another set of rules to make our game more playable and welcoming to new players. Pay for it to play.
Not at all it's buy models get datasheets and download rules free and play straight away with just your models purchased. Want advanced rules that few people will likely play and tournament points system buy a faction book
So the starter box is a preorder and we get all rules required to play the game, minus cities of death, strongholds and competitive, free? Where's this written?
Well if you bought the starter box you get a rule book and the models faction sheets. So yes all rules to play. If you buy als carts later the models all come with datasheets and core rules are free.
And where is that written? Right on gw preorder page!!!!
"and rules. Lots of rules. All the rules you need to wage the bloodiest of wars in the far future. Alongside the core rules for the game, there are missions, full guidelines for the 3 ways to play (open, narrative and matched) and advanced rules to represent the myriad war zones of the far future, including all the rules you need to play games of Cities of Death, Planetstrike, Stronghold Assault and Death from the Skies."
You've quoted a line with the word 'rules' without any context or relevance. Are you arguing they said they're free, said they aren't..?
What a load of tripe.
The 8th Edition BRB is cheaper than 7th.
The 8th Edition "Indices" are substantially cheaper than current codices and cover multiple factions rather than singular entries.
Prices have dropped and value has increased. You can obtain the basic 40K rules for free - isn't that exactly what was promised?
I'm sorry for your loss, in all things, always.
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2017/05/23 11:50:18
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
PossumCraft wrote: I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.
Index books are half the price of a Codex and cover multiple factions each. Rulebook is cheaper and has rules for Cityfight, Planetary Assault, etc.
Somehow this equates to GW upping prices?
And they only ever said the basic rules would be free. If people interpreted otherwise, that's on them.
This moneygrab of 'index books' is brand new, no mention so far.
Their upping of prices is well documented over the past years. Every release costs more. Not just books but models, paints, tools.
5 books covering all armies at release has been known for quite a while. They never mentioned free though.
Mantic and Warlord had price increases fairly recently. Battlefront had one a while ago. Are these also members of some evil conspiracy to gouge hobbyists? Or are they having to adjust to stay profitible and reflect interest/declining currency values?
Where was this mention of 5 books being known? I've been following the warhammer community page, never seen that?
As for prices increasing to 'reflect interest' what the actual heck? Nobody EVER increases prices to try and improve interest...
Interest falling? New products, better image, lower prices. Thats.... thats just such basic marketing that it hurts to even think otherwise
My bad, I meant inflation, not interest.
As for the 5 books, we knew about it on Dakka for a while. Not sure if they covered it on community or not.
"The Omnissiah is my Moderati"
2017/05/23 11:51:38
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
PossumCraft wrote: I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.
Index books are half the price of a Codex and cover multiple factions each. Rulebook is cheaper and has rules for Cityfight, Planetary Assault, etc.
Somehow this equates to GW upping prices?
And they only ever said the basic rules would be free. If people interpreted otherwise, that's on them.
This moneygrab of 'index books' is brand new, no mention so far.
Their upping of prices is well documented over the past years. Every costs more. Not just books but models, paints, tools.
5 books covering all armies at has been known for quite a while. They never mentioned free though.
Mantic and Warlord had price increases fairly recently. Battlefront had one a while ago. Are these also members of some evil conspiracy to gouge hobbyists? Or are they having to adjust to stay profitible and reflect interest/declining currency values?
Where was this mention of 5 books being known? I've been following the warhammer community page, never seen that?
As for prices increasing to 'reflect interest' what the actual heck? Nobody EVER increases prices to try and improve interest...
Interest falling? New products, better image, lower prices. Thats.... thats just such basic marketing that it hurts to even think otherwise
My bad, I meant inflation, not interest.
As for the 5 books, we knew about it on Dakka for a while. Not sure if they covered it on community or not.
They covered it in the FIRST FaQ. THere's been a ton of especulation about the factions layouts both on this thread and others on Dakkadakka too.
2017/05/23 11:52:31
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
Wonder if we broke their website or if they are putting up more information on their website? Both games-workshop.com and forgeworld.co.uk are down for maintenance.
2017/05/23 11:54:37
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
nintura wrote: Have to say, not a fan of the assault primaris guns. Those shields look ridiculous and serve no purpose given how thin the armor is.
The plague marines though. Beautiful. Specially the banner bearer.
The shield was the only thing I was struggling with from a design perspective. I thought it might be to stop any residual from the barrel going up an intake for the jump pack maybe?
2017/05/23 11:58:21
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
And there are FaQs under the 40k section, but they're quite old (there was the Primaris one a week and a bit ago, and the other one came out almost a month ago)
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2017/05/23 11:59:18
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
It's not, with the rumour prices it's more like $250AUD.
65 EUR is $97.40 today
7ed rules: 65 EUR, $140 AUD. 69% Australia Tax.
8ed rules (45 eur) + 4 indices (80 eur) = 125 eur or $187.31 AUD
plus 69% Australia Tax: $316.55 just for rules.
Please GW, may I have another.
It's not that bad dude.
Price brackets are a thing, and by GW's price brackets it'll cost you $250. It isn't a number I just pulled out of my unlike yours.
For reference it'll be $90AUD for the rulebook and ~$40 for each index.
A hell of a lot better than $140 and $83
And that's with out the inevitable 10-20% discounts you'll be able to get by preordering from independents.
What's the source on the $90 AUD / $40 AUD prices? Because it seems you are indeed pulling them out of your bleep, unlike my calculation which was based on the current geographical markup between products on the GW website right now.
If you're not aware of how GW gouges Australians and New Zealanders that's fine, but literally pulling numbers out of your bleep while dismissing my actually calculated numbers is really quite something to behold.
2017/05/23 12:00:30
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
nintura wrote: Have to say, not a fan of the assault primaris guns. Those shields look ridiculous and serve no purpose given how thin the armor is.
The plague marines though. Beautiful. Specially the banner bearer.
The shield was the only thing I was struggling with from a design perspective. I thought it might be to stop any residual from the barrel going up an intake for the jump pack maybe?
The purpose looks to be so it can deflect incoming fire. I dont think it's to deflect brass since it's in front of the ejection port. And they don't use powder firing charges, but mini rockets.
It's not, with the rumour prices it's more like $250AUD.
65 EUR is $97.40 today 7ed rules: 65 EUR, $140 AUD. 69% Australia Tax.
8ed rules (45 eur) + 4 indices (80 eur) = 125 eur or $187.31 AUD plus 69% Australia Tax: $316.55 just for rules.
Please GW, may I have another.
It's not that bad dude. Price brackets are a thing, and by GW's price brackets it'll cost you $250. It isn't a number I just pulled out of my unlike yours.
For reference it'll be $90AUD for the rulebook and ~$40 for each index.
A hell of a lot better than $140 and $83
And that's with out the inevitable 10-20% discounts you'll be able to get by preordering from independents.
What's the source on the $90 AUD / $40 AUD prices? Because it seems you are indeed pulling them out of your bleep, unlike my calculation which was based on the current geographical markup between products on the GW website right now.
If you're not aware of how GW gouges Australians and New Zealanders that's fine, but literally pulling numbers out of your bleep while dismissing my actually calculated numbers is really quite something to behold.
I based it on GWs actual price brackets as I said. You know, the actual way they do their prices (and also the way everyone else is calculating their region's prices from the EU prices)? And of course I'm aware, I live in Australia. However I do get a bit annoyed when you go all doom an gloom and make it seem even worse than it is, as that causes people to just dismiss us as idiotic whiners.
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2017/05/23 12:02:34
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
Some exact info will have come from the live stream Q&A plus facebook comments on articles.
I'm missing where in there it mentions paying for 5 books of rules
2nd question?!
Can I still use all my models?
Yes. Every Warhammer 40,000 miniature we sell today will be usable in the new edition of Warhammer 40,000. What’s more, they’ll be supported with new rules, which will be available from the get go in handy, low-cost books.
Alright, it doesn't mention 5 but it does say they will be for sale.
2017/05/23 12:05:40
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
FFS. We have to a member of that soulsucking hellhole just to get basic information nowadays?
Stop the world. I'm done.
In order to engage with your community, you use a platform a great majority have easy access too.
What a shocker
Its odd, but 99.9% of warhammer players have access to games-workshop.com.
A site that's also been nothing more than a store since they spent all that money sidegrading/downgrading it.
And last I checked Warhammer-Community didn't have functionality for immediate community response.
The point of the livestream was that they answered people's questions as they got them from the viewers.
2017/05/23 12:06:25
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
FFS. We have to a member of that soulsucking hellhole just to get basic information nowadays?
Stop the world. I'm done.
In order to engage with your community, you use a platform a great majority have easy access too.
What a shocker
Its odd, but 99.9% of warhammer players have access to games-workshop.com.
That's a shop, not a social media platform that grants you instant communication with your customer base. Unless you expected them to redesign the site from the ground up?
2017/05/23 12:07:18
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 23 May 2017: Confirmed: release/pre-order date+starter set in OP
Can I still use all my models?
Yes. Every Warhammer 40,000 miniature we sell today will be usable in the new edition of Warhammer 40,000. What’s more, they’ll be supported with new rules, which will be available from the get go in handy, low-cost books.
Alright, it doesn't mention 5 but it does say they will be for sale.
gak. I missed that part. I thought they were making the rules free to draw in new players.
unlike yours.
