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gungo wrote:

 ruprecht wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

It's not, with the rumour prices it's more like $250AUD.

65 EUR is $97.40 today
7ed rules: 65 EUR, $140 AUD. 69% Australia Tax.

8ed rules (45 eur) + 4 indices (80 eur) = 125 eur or $187.31 AUD
plus 69% Australia Tax: $316.55 just for rules.

Please GW, may I have another.

Your quote has less to do with gw and more to do with your countries tax. That price is doubled based on your Tax not gw pricing.

The tax charged is charged by GW. Australia isn't charging that,

Prices in NZ are TRIPLE UK prices, and that is not NZ tax which is a set percentage.

 ruprecht wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

It's not, with the rumour prices it's more like $250AUD.

65 EUR is $97.40 today
7ed rules: 65 EUR, $140 AUD. 69% Australia Tax.

8ed rules (45 eur) + 4 indices (80 eur) = 125 eur or $187.31 AUD
plus 69% Australia Tax: $316.55 just for rules.

Please GW, may I have another.

So you are including the price of the indexes in the price of rules for 8th, but not all the codexes in the price for 7th?

To me the direct comparison is the 65 euro book against the 45 euro book, and the price of three to seven (!) codices (so between 78 and 182 euros!) with a 20 euros index...

 ruprecht wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

It's not, with the rumour prices it's more like $250AUD.

65 EUR is $97.40 today
7ed rules: 65 EUR, $140 AUD. 69% Australia Tax.

8ed rules (45 eur) + 4 indices (80 eur) = 125 eur or $187.31 AUD
plus 69% Australia Tax: $316.55 just for rules.

Please GW, may I have another.

So your complaint is that the core rules are cheaper, but if you add in the "codex" cost for 8th edition and not for any other editions, it's more expensive? Great logic there.

What are the icons on the Xenos book logo? Some are easily-identifiable, others are new to me.

My favourite facebook model shop is doing preorders for the starter at £70 (not including postage)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/271077163071577/?fref=nf

may well end up being pretty competive

gungo wrote:

 ruprecht wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

It's not, with the rumour prices it's more like $250AUD.

65 EUR is $97.40 today
7ed rules: 65 EUR, $140 AUD. 69% Australia Tax.

8ed rules (45 eur) + 4 indices (80 eur) = 125 eur or $187.31 AUD
plus 69% Australia Tax: $316.55 just for rules.

Please GW, may I have another.

Your quote has less to do with gw and more to do with your countries tax. That price is doubled based on your Tax not gw pricing.

Well now you've gone and done it. Mentioning AUS GW prices is like saying Beatlejuice three times.

PossumCraft wrote:

gungo wrote:

PossumCraft wrote:
So if rules for factions arent free, but all games require factions..?


Here's your game of battleship. Ships cost extra.

technically rules come in the box as well so it is free. However if you have models already you need the updated rules. Which aren't free.

ERGO here's another set of rules to make our game more playable and welcoming to new players. Pay for it to play.

Not at all it's buy models get datasheets and download rules free and play straight away with just your models purchased. Want advanced rules that few people will likely play and tournament points system buy a faction book

Eyjio wrote:
[So your complaint is that the core rules are cheaper, but if you add in the "codex" cost for 8th edition and not for any other editions, it's more expensive? Great logic there.

No, my complaint is that the supposedly "free rules" release of 40k would cost me over $300 on launch day just for rules. Great reading there.

gungo wrote:

 ruprecht wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

It's not, with the rumour prices it's more like $250AUD.

65 EUR is $97.40 today
7ed rules: 65 EUR, $140 AUD. 69% Australia Tax.

8ed rules (45 eur) + 4 indices (80 eur) = 125 eur or $187.31 AUD
plus 69% Australia Tax: $316.55 just for rules.

Please GW, may I have another.

Your quote has less to do with gw and more to do with your countries tax. That price is doubled based on your Tax not gw pricing.

It's also a massive difference to the $13000 AUS you inititally quoted. I repeat, Thirteen Thousand. You now change that to $187. Not sure where the other $12, 813 comes from.

gungo wrote:

PossumCraft wrote:

gungo wrote:

PossumCraft wrote:
So if rules for factions arent free, but all games require factions..?


Here's your game of battleship. Ships cost extra.

technically rules come in the box as well so it is free. However if you have models already you need the updated rules. Which aren't free.

ERGO here's another set of rules to make our game more playable and welcoming to new players. Pay for it to play.

Not at all it's buy models get datasheets and download rules free and play straight away with just your models purchased. Want advanced rules that few people will likely play and tournament points system buy a faction book

So the starter box is a preorder and we get all rules required to play the game, minus cities of death, strongholds and competitive, free? Where's this written?

I like the look of the Primaris but the one thing getting me on the Advance Order sites, just in case they are a limited release, is the Sector Imperialis Objectives set.


I can't decide whether I like the containment tank or what looks like a bomb the best.

 ruprecht wrote:

Eyjio wrote:
[So your complaint is that the core rules are cheaper, but if you add in the "codex" cost for 8th edition and not for any other editions, it's more expensive? Great logic there.

No, my complaint is that the supposedly "free rules" release of 40k would cost me over $300 on launch day just for rules. Great reading there.

You're complaint is invalid, as you neither have to get all the rules on day one or get the paid rules. There are free rules on day one. Those are the core rules of the game. Matched Play and Advanced Rules are extra. Its no different to PS+ or Xbox Live subscriptions to play online games. You can still play the game on your console without, but its not Matched Play.

It's also not $300, its $187 as you calculated, plus your tax, which is neither under GW's control nor their problem. They also have no obligation to give you free anything.

So you are upset that something they never promised or said would happen didnt happen?

They also make the core rules required to play the game at the entry level free but for everything else they offer it combined for way WAY cheaper than in the past? Dont even need it to play, all you need is the core 12 page rule book and one 30ish dollar index to play the core game.

Seems like a much cheaper entry point to me than in the past.

Also, I like the idea of dedicated shooting jump marines instead of just being 100% focused on assault.

PossumCraft wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

PossumCraft wrote:
I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.

Index books are half the price of a Codex and cover multiple factions each. Rulebook is cheaper and has rules for Cityfight, Planetary Assault, etc.

Somehow this equates to GW upping prices?

And they only ever said the basic rules would be free. If people interpreted otherwise, that's on them.

This moneygrab of 'index books' is brand new, no mention so far.

Their upping of prices is well documented over the past years. Every release costs more. Not just books but models, paints, tools.

except it's NOT a money crab, the indexes are cheaper then the codices. the index books are about 20 euros. well let's look at the price of a codex now, about 40 euros. so the codices are HALF the price they used to be, and you get waaaay more for the price. you can get every codex in the game for 8th for about 100 euros. meanwhile to get that every codex for 40k you're looking at..800 euros.

Money grab my ass.

So, I have a silly question. With online sales being a big thing in the modern day. Wouldn't it be cheaper for the Australian/New Zealand buyer to simply order the box set/rules off ebay/an online US seller? And then have it shipped to them in their country.

 Deadshot wrote:
It's also a massive difference to the $13000 AUS you inititally quoted. I repeat, Thirteen Thousand. You now change that to $187. Not sure where the other $12, 813 comes from.

If you didn't immediately realise that was deliberately comically overexaggerated I'm not sure I can help you.

 ruprecht wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

Where did it say free rules? If that was a rumour, why did you put stock in it? This is GW, you'll get basic rules from free but they're a business. Also, you don't need to buy all the Codexes in one go, you can spread it out over a few months. Month 1, Space Marines, Month 2, Necrons, Month 3, Chaos, Month 4 Tyranids. Pick which you want to play with first and buy that.

I'm well aware they're a business, I'm a shareholder and I've been supporting it financially for 28 years. Fact is I can't play proper 8th on release day with my expensive armies without a massive financial investment in rules. That is not what their marketing led us to believe, as we were led to believe it would work like AoS which has free warscrolls for every mini they make.

 Deadshot wrote:

Also, I REALLLLYYY don't believe its $13,000. That's like £7000 in the UK. Unless each Codex/Index and the BRB cost £1300 EACH. Maybe you meant to write $1300 (£700?)

Australia Tax is frightening isn't it?

I'm intrigued where these numbers come from I just put 5 codex space marines(hugely more that the cheapest codexest which are 3rd the price) and the 7th edition triple rule book(again available as a cheaper version too) into a basket and got Aus$590 in the uk basket that's £225. (It's fair to say aus tax is high as yes £225 = aus$389, but not 13000...) Anyways it's meaningless as the new books will be no where near the price of the old rule books.

 ruprecht wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

It's not, with the rumour prices it's more like $250AUD.

65 EUR is $97.40 today
7ed rules: 65 EUR, $140 AUD. 69% Australia Tax.

8ed rules (45 eur) + 4 indices (80 eur) = 125 eur or $187.31 AUD
plus 69% Australia Tax: $316.55 just for rules.

Please GW, may I have another.

It's not that bad dude.
Price brackets are a thing, and by GW's price brackets it'll cost you $250. It isn't a number I just pulled out of my unlike yours.

For reference it'll be $90AUD for the rulebook and ~$40 for each index.

A hell of a lot better than $140 and $83



And that's with out the inevitable 10-20% discounts you'll be able to get by preordering from independents.

Youn wrote:
So, I have a silly question. With online sales being a big thing in the modern day. Wouldn't it be cheaper for the Australian/New Zealand buyer to simply order the box set/rules off ebay/an online US seller? And then have it shipped to them in their country.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA

welcome to Games Wankshop.

No. It breaches reseller rules to do so.

US, UK, EU resellers are PROHIBITED from selling outside their territories.

They are not allowed to sell to AUS or NZ.

 ruprecht wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
It's also a massive difference to the $13000 AUS you inititally quoted. I repeat, Thirteen Thousand. You now change that to $187. Not sure where the other $12, 813 comes from.

If you didn't immediately realise that was deliberately comically overexaggerated I'm not sure I can help you.

No, I didn't because Aussie prices are always rediculous. But that was unnecessary. If you were serious and the rules total was LITERALLY going to cost 13K, that's a different matter. You might as well have said "OMG it costs a bazillion dollars!"


In which case I'd have given the same response of: Don't need everything Day 1, Don't Need to buy anything, You have 4 armies, Why do you feel entitled to free stuff?

 xttz wrote:

PossumCraft wrote:
So if rules for factions arent free, but all games require factions..?


Here's your game of battleship. Ships cost extra.

They still haven't confirmed or denied free download unit datasheets, but it would be reeaaaally weird to release free rules that no one can use without unit stats.

Similar to WMH. The rule books for WM and Hordes are free, but to play a unit/model you need the stats given by buying the unit/model or the faction deck (hard copy or digital).

 ruprecht wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
It's also a massive difference to the $13000 AUS you inititally quoted. I repeat, Thirteen Thousand. You now change that to $187. Not sure where the other $12, 813 comes from.

If you didn't immediately realise that was deliberately comically overexaggerated I'm not sure I can help you.

If by that you meant facetious -then yes that's why you got called out.

Hmm lots to digest
.

New minis - New Marines are ok - i have so many marines that this generates no interest.
Death Guard - nice models - and I do like the drone - or soem reason don;t lke the Plaguecaster...the cultists all look jolly fellows though

No mini soft back book in the boxed set????? Major fail
No data cards either - sad.

INdex books - happy with those.

Objective markers are ace,

PossumCraft wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

PossumCraft wrote:
I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.

Index books are half the price of a Codex and cover multiple factions each. Rulebook is cheaper and has rules for Cityfight, Planetary Assault, etc.

Somehow this equates to GW upping prices?

And they only ever said the basic rules would be free. If people interpreted otherwise, that's on them.

This moneygrab of 'index books' is brand new, no mention so far.

Their upping of prices is well documented over the past years. Every release costs more. Not just books but models, paints, tools.

5 books covering all armies at release has been known for quite a while. They never mentioned free though.

Mantic and Warlord had price increases fairly recently. Battlefront had one a while ago. Are these also members of some evil conspiracy to gouge hobbyists? Or are they having to adjust to stay profitible and reflect interest/declining currency values?

 Deadshot wrote:
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peace man, this is going nowhere

PossumCraft wrote:

gungo wrote:

PossumCraft wrote:

gungo wrote:

PossumCraft wrote:
So if rules for factions arent free, but all games require factions..?


Here's your game of battleship. Ships cost extra.

technically rules come in the box as well so it is free. However if you have models already you need the updated rules. Which aren't free.

ERGO here's another set of rules to make our game more playable and welcoming to new players. Pay for it to play.

Not at all it's buy models get datasheets and download rules free and play straight away with just your models purchased. Want advanced rules that few people will likely play and tournament points system buy a faction book

So the starter box is a preorder and we get all rules required to play the game, minus cities of death, strongholds and competitive, free? Where's this written?

Well if you bought the starter box you get a rule book and the models faction sheets. So yes all rules to play. If you buy als carts later the models all come with datasheets and core rules are free.

And where is that written? Right on gw preorder page!!!!

"and rules. Lots of rules. All the rules you need to wage the bloodiest of wars in the far future. Alongside the core rules for the game, there are missions, full guidelines for the 3 ways to play (open, narrative and matched) and advanced rules to represent the myriad war zones of the far future, including all the rules you need to play games of Cities of Death, Planetstrike, Stronghold Assault and Death from the Skies."

Looking at e-bay right now at Dark Vengeance box sets. It appears they do ship to New Zealand and Australia. Though the $93.00 box set does charge like $36.60 in shipping.

Just saying.

I would guess you will see new box sets go up on sale the moment someone has them in their hands.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

PossumCraft wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

PossumCraft wrote:
I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.

Index books are half the price of a Codex and cover multiple factions each. Rulebook is cheaper and has rules for Cityfight, Planetary Assault, etc.

Somehow this equates to GW upping prices?

And they only ever said the basic rules would be free. If people interpreted otherwise, that's on them.

This moneygrab of 'index books' is brand new, no mention so far.

Their upping of prices is well documented over the past years. Every release costs more. Not just books but models, paints, tools.

5 books covering all armies at release has been known for quite a while. They never mentioned free though.

Mantic and Warlord had price increases fairly recently. Battlefront had one a while ago. Are these also members of some evil conspiracy to gouge hobbyists? Or are they having to adjust to stay profitible and reflect interest/declining currency values?

Where was this mention of 5 books being known? I've been following the warhammer community page, never seen that?

As for prices increasing to 'reflect interest' what the actual heck? Nobody EVER increases prices to try and improve interest...

Interest falling? New products, better image, lower prices. Thats.... thats just such basic marketing that it hurts to even think otherwise

Youn wrote:
Looking at e-bay right now at Dark Vengeance box sets. It appears they do ship to New Zealand and Australia. Though the $93.00 box set does charge like $36.60 in shipping.

Just saying.

Ebay is the distributor so if I'm not mistaken isn't bound by GW's border patrol rules. They don't actually sell anything as a company so selling through Ebay as a "second hand reseller site" would circumvent.


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PossumCraft wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

PossumCraft wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

PossumCraft wrote:
I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.

Index books are half the price of a Codex and cover multiple factions each. Rulebook is cheaper and has rules for Cityfight, Planetary Assault, etc.

Somehow this equates to GW upping prices?

And they only ever said the basic rules would be free. If people interpreted otherwise, that's on them.

This moneygrab of 'index books' is brand new, no mention so far.

Their upping of prices is well documented over the past years. Every release costs more. Not just books but models, paints, tools.

5 books covering all armies at release has been known for quite a while. They never mentioned free though.

Mantic and Warlord had price increases fairly recently. Battlefront had one a while ago. Are these also members of some evil conspiracy to gouge hobbyists? Or are they having to adjust to stay profitible and reflect interest/declining currency values?

Where was this mention of 5 books being known? I've been following the warhammer community page, never seen that?

As for prices increasing to 'reflect interest' what the actual heck? Nobody EVER increases prices to try and improve interest...

Interest falling? New products, better image, lower prices. Thats.... thats just such basic marketing that it hurts to even think otherwise

Interest in the financial sense.

 ruprecht wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
It's also a massive difference to the $13000 AUS you inititally quoted. I repeat, Thirteen Thousand. You now change that to $187. Not sure where the other $12, 813 comes from.

If you didn't immediately realise that was deliberately comically overexaggerated I'm not sure I can help you.

I think the one that needs help is you rather than others.