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 Deadshot wrote:

 ruprecht wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

I guess we will get an impression of the rule set for free.

Exactly. It's still all about acquisition. With 5 armies I'm up for 4 indices in addition to the BRB if I want to play proper 8th instead of timmy rules. Based on early pricing indications, that's roughly $13,000 AUD. I thought we was supposed to get "free rules".

I'm so fething pissed about this that even though I'd love the BRB for the lore, and the marines for my Angries, and the chaos marines for scenic bases, I'm on the verge of a protest refusal. Again, just like 7th.

Where did it say free rules? If that was a rumour, why did you put stock in it? This is GW, you'll get basic rules from free but they're a business. Also, you don't need to buy all the Codexes in one go, you can spread it out over a few months. Month 1, Space Marines, Month 2, Necrons, Month 3, Chaos, Month 4 Tyranids. Pick which you want to play with first and buy that.

Also, I REALLLLYYY don't believe its $13,000. That's like £7000 in the UK. Unless each Codex/Index and the BRB cost £1300 EACH. Maybe you meant to write $1300 (£700?)

It's not, with the rumour prices it's more like $250AUD.

And as ever people will misinterpret almost wilfully. 100% free rules were never going to be a thing and were never promised.

gungo wrote:
So which index book has all the terrain minatures?

Also I foresee lots of saltiness with the FW books as in "why doesn't my old model have rules and that one does" followed by "this models rules is awesome and OOP"

Terrain might be in main rule book.

Also your foresight sounds like it will be spot on, especially if my Plague Hulk doesn't get rules

 Deadshot wrote:

Where did it say free rules? If that was a rumour, why did you put stock in it? This is GW, you'll get basic rules from free but they're a business. Also, you don't need to buy all the Codexes in one go, you can spread it out over a few months. Month 1, Space Marines, Month 2, Necrons, Month 3, Chaos, Month 4 Tyranids. Pick which you want to play with first and buy that.

I'm well aware they're a business, I'm a shareholder and I've been supporting it financially for 28 years. Fact is I can't play proper 8th on release day with my expensive armies without a massive financial investment in rules. That is not what their marketing led us to believe, as we were led to believe it would work like AoS which has free warscrolls for every mini they make.

 Deadshot wrote:

Also, I REALLLLYYY don't believe its $13,000. That's like £7000 in the UK. Unless each Codex/Index and the BRB cost £1300 EACH. Maybe you meant to write $1300 (£700?)

Australia Tax is frightening isn't it?

tneva82 wrote:

PossumCraft wrote:
Problem is to people who don't have or want space maureens, it is an entirely superfluous box.

Well that's always case with starter sets. Don't want marines or chaos? Dark vengeance useless. Marines and orks? 5th ed was useless.

Marines is given so if you don't want those half the box is always useless. If you don't want 2nd half which varies you don't need it either. Then just get separate rulebook. Or if you want rest of stuff buy box and sell both set of models.

I'm debating do I want to pay for the death guard or not. There's lots of sons of horus I would also want like drop pods etc.

But if its two complete separate factions you have different appeal. Making the starter box marines or slightly different marines is daft.

Marines or Orks? completely different sides of the battle. Marines in Chaos marines? Might as well say you have the entire spectrum, but we'll give the rules with red and orange,

 ruprecht wrote:

Thebiggesthat wrote:
We will be getting free rules. If these aren't enough to give you the experience you desire, there are paid options available.

The pre-release hype was deceptive. I'm entitled to be pissed about that. They were so close.

Your interpretation of the pre-release hype has annoyed you. That's a fair statement.

gungo wrote:
So which index book has all the terrain minatures?

The hardback rulebook has stronghold assault, cityfight, etc. I'm guessing they will be in there.

Dark Imperium boxset 125€
Index book 20€ each
Warhammer 40.000 book 45€
Tactical Objectives 10€
Command Dice 15€
Sector Imperialis Objectives 25€
Combat Gauge 8€
Wound Trackers 10€

I guess there are 5 index books.
So the June/July will be become expensive.

That's great, so with the online retailer you are looking at 14 odd quid for a book

I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.

PossumCraft wrote:
I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.

I believe you are correct.

The core rules are free. Points for matched play are not, as is extra rules for factions etc.

PossumCraft wrote:
I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.

You mean lowering prices without making them free. Because these books are a heck of a lot cheaper than the codices we have now, and it looks like the rule book will be cheaper too.

So if rules for factions arent free, but all games require factions..?


Here's your game of battleship. Ships cost extra.

 ruprecht wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

I guess we will get an impression of the rule set for free.

Exactly. It's still all about acquisition. With 5 armies I'm up for 4 indices in addition to the BRB if I want to play proper 8th instead of timmy rules. Based on early pricing indications, that's roughly $13,000 AUD. I thought we were supposed to get "free rules".

I'm so fething pissed about this that even though I'd love the BRB for the lore, and the marines for my Angries, and the chaos marines for scenic bases, I'm on the verge of a protest refusal. Again, just like 7th.

They said main rules would be free, core rules (8pages) will be DL PDF. The rule book is expansions like city of death planet strike etc plus lore we didn't ever know/expect this was coming. Unit rules being free like AoS would have been nice but GW are a business. Personnelly I'm disappointed as it's nice to see the rules under units before you buy them like AoS but it's no deal breaker, as they said unit rules at release in a set of books at a price less than codex's. Considering the AoS releases of the generals hand book at £15 and AoS skirmish at £6 we should hope for a good price.
So box set about £100, if you don't want that I'd speculate rule/lore book at -£30 + unit rules -£15 each.
So total speculative price £75 to £200 for rules n models depending how much you want of each.

PossumCraft wrote:
I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.

What do you expect. After all, its a gaming company that needs to make (a lot of) money. The supplement books in the 7th ed. were a great success. Pricey, but the players bought them. I think the story will be same in the 8th ed. After the initial books already announced, we will see supplement books for the factions filled with art work, background stories, and additional rules for formations and what not.

PossumCraft wrote:
So if rules for factions arent free, but all games require factions..?


Here's your game of battleship. Ships cost extra.

For matched play. All Warscrolls or whatever will be free day one for narrative play, is my understanding.


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Okay, good night everyone. I trimmed the OP of all the release date rumors, and if they release another article in 3 hours, I will update the OP again when I wake up.

Dude in the Gravis Armour.....just not sure I like that model.

The arms look a bit wonky to me, which ruins the aesthetic.

But, as ever, could just be a rubbish angle in the pic?

And this is why I picked up Grand Master Voldus... Time to pick up a few Grey Knights to accompany him, me thinks. Looking forward to the release.

 Rippy wrote:

PossumCraft wrote:
I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.

You mean lowering prices without making them free. Because these books are a heck of a lot cheaper than the codices we have now, and it looks like the rule book will be cheaper too.

To explain a typical intro to WH40k:

Go into store.
Oh, that's a cool looking model.
Buy a £20 codex to see if it actually *is cool*
Oh, you need a £60 rulebook to know what those rules mean.
Sorry spud, you need to have the other 8 £20 codexes to know if that model is good against the other models.

Not meaning to be innappropriate, but this is why people google 'x Codex pdf'


Make rules free and more people play the game. It's simple.

PossumCraft wrote:
I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.

Index books are half the price of a Codex and cover multiple factions each. Rulebook is cheaper and has rules for Cityfight, Planetary Assault, etc.

Somehow this equates to GW upping prices?

And they only ever said the basic rules would be free. If people interpreted otherwise, that's on them.

PossumCraft wrote:
GW keeps upping prices.

Now that is absolute bs. 8th rulebook is cheaper than 7th. Each index book is waaay cheaper than 1 Codex.

Sure you can be all self entitled that they're not giving you the moon and a pony for free, but saying they're jacking up the prices too is simply wrong.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

PossumCraft wrote:
I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.

Index books are half the price of a Codex and cover multiple factions each. Rulebook is cheaper and has rules for Cityfight, Planetary Assault, etc.

Somehow this equates to GW upping prices?

And they only ever said the basic rules would be free. If people interpreted otherwise, that's on them.

This moneygrab of 'index books' is brand new, no mention so far.

Their upping of prices is well documented over the past years. Every release costs more. Not just books but models, paints, tools.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

It's not, with the rumour prices it's more like $250AUD.

65 EUR is $97.40 today
7ed rules: 65 EUR, $140 AUD. 69% Australia Tax.

8ed rules (45 eur) + 4 indices (80 eur) = 125 eur or $187.31 AUD
plus 69% Australia Tax: $316.55 just for rules.

Please GW, may I have another.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Dude in the Gravis Armour.....just not sure I like that model.

The arms look a bit wonky to me, which ruins the aesthetic.

But, as ever, could just be a rubbish angle in the pic?

It is mainly that the model is posed really awkwardly, the basic design of the armour is fine. Of course, this being a singlepose miniature, fixing the pose will be rather annoying.

I wish they had posed him like he is depicted int the cover art:

MaxT wrote:

PossumCraft wrote:
GW keeps upping prices.

Now that is absolute bs. 8th rulebook is cheaper than 7th. Each index book is waaay cheaper than 1 Codex.

Sure you can be all self entitled that they're not giving you the moon and a pony for free, but saying they're jacking up the prices too is simply wrong.

...Price history?

Death Guard models are awful; pieces of bone sticking out everywhere and far too busy. Bigger marines are pointless. Big pass from me after mild curiosity.

PossumCraft wrote:
So if rules for factions arent free, but all games require factions..?


Here's your game of battleship. Ships cost extra.

technically rules come in the box as well so it is free. However if you have models already you need the updated rules. Which aren't free.

gungo wrote:

PossumCraft wrote:
So if rules for factions arent free, but all games require factions..?


Here's your game of battleship. Ships cost extra.

technically rules come in the box as well so it is free. However if you have models already you need the updated rules. Which aren't free.

ERGO here's another set of rules to make our game more playable and welcoming to new players. Pay for it to play.

 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:

They said main rules would be free, core rules (8pages) will be DL PDF. The rule book is expansions like city of death planet strike etc plus lore we didn't ever know/expect this was coming.

RAW that's not correct.

and rules. Lots of rules. All the rules you need to wage the bloodiest of wars in the far future. Alongside the core rules for the game, there are missions, full guidelines for the 3 ways to play (open, narrative and matched) and advanced rules to represent the myriad war zones of the far future, including all the rules you need to play games of Cities of Death, Planetstrike, Stronghold Assault and Death from the Skies.

Core rules are free. Alongside the core rules the BRB also gets ... full guidelines for the 3 ways to play. Ergo it seems match play rules are non-core and non-free.

 ruprecht wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

It's not, with the rumour prices it's more like $250AUD.

65 EUR is $97.40 today
7ed rules: 65 EUR, $140 AUD. 69% Australia Tax.

8ed rules (45 eur) + 4 indices (80 eur) = 125 eur or $187.31 AUD
plus 69% Australia Tax: $316.55 just for rules.

Please GW, may I have another.

Your quote has less to do with gw and more to do with your countries tax. That price is doubled based on your Tax not gw pricing.

PossumCraft wrote:
So if rules for factions arent free, but all games require factions..?


Here's your game of battleship. Ships cost extra.

They still haven't confirmed or denied free download unit datasheets, but it would be reeaaaally weird to release free rules that no one can use without unit stats.

Surprised they haven't clarified this on Facebook yet.