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 Coyote81 wrote:

Tyran wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
So if your playing a open imperial faction army does that mean you can buy any imperial transport for any imperial unit? Land raiders for ogryn, chimerias for space marines, etc?

You can buy, but you probably can't use as I expect that transports work using keywords.

You could play an Imperial Faction, and take Ogryn elites and space marine drop pods I suppose.

Yeah, but I expect that drop pods will have the keyword Adeptus Astartes as requirement, so you wouldn't be able to put the Ogryns in the drop pods.

 Kirasu wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Poor Tyranids... feeded to Khorne:

Spoiler:

What a coincidence how great losses all chapters receive now that you can have Super better Primaris Marines, eh?

This is quite possibly the worst fluff gw has ever written.

What's that GW? Why, certainly, I'll hold your beer!

So embarked models in a destroyed transport are killed on a roll of a '1', but you get to roll all the dice together and then apply the results as you see fit. Will we see units of cheap models filling up the transport capacity to be sacrifices if the transport goes down with your ultra killy expensive unit inside?

I'm specifically imagining a Raider filled with Drazhar, a unit of Incubi and.... Beastmaster Kyle, Patron Saint of the Poor D6 Roll.

Also, morale checks for any unit with a slain model that turn, which includes disembarking casualties as well as plasma overheats. Someone out there is going to break out their new Primaris Hellblaster super soldiers in their first 8th edition game and get most of the unit killed in their own turn.

That Blood Angels fluff is just...embarrassingly bad.

Like, WOW.

Def sticking with my Plan A.

Rip out and destroy all fluff pages from my 8th edition book, and just use the rules.

Tyran wrote:

 Coyote81 wrote:

Tyran wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
So if your playing a open imperial faction army does that mean you can buy any imperial transport for any imperial unit? Land raiders for ogryn, chimerias for space marines, etc?

You can buy, but you probably can't use as I expect that transports work using keywords.

You could play an Imperial Faction, and take Ogryn elites and space marine drop pods I suppose.

Yeah, but I expect that drop pods will have the keyword Adeptus Astartes as requirement, so you wouldn't be able to put the Ogryns in the drop pods.

So I guess the answer is we need to see the unit entries if they limit what can be transported?

Looks like the Blood Angels got BAAL'ed out of their predicament.

>.>

I'll let myself out.

 Kirasu wrote:

This is quite possibly the worst fluff gw has ever written.

No, not by a long shot.

It is incredibly disappointing, but it is nowhere as offensive as the Grey Knights slaughtering SoB to use their blood against Chaos, or anything written by C.S. Goto.


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 Lockark wrote:

So I guess the answer is we need to see the unit entries if they limit what can be transported?

Yes, and by seeing the Trygon's Subterranean Assault, which requires the Hive Fleet and Infantry keywords, I expect keywords requirements to be basically omnipresent.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Poor Tyranids... feeded to Khorne:

Spoiler:

What a coincidence how great losses all chapters receive now that you can have Super better Primaris Marines, eh?

This is quite possibly the worst fluff gw has ever written.

What's that GW? Why, certainly, I'll hold your beer!

No need, we got Inquisitor Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau and half-eldar space marines back in Rogue Trader.

But seriously, that raises folks ire now? This isn't even the worst fluff about Blood Angels.

I am disappoint Dakka, this doesn't even pretend to approach SoB-blood annointed GK, Draigo, Spiritual Liege, or even BA+Necrons. And it can't even bask in the glow of terribadness that is C.S. Goto.

In comparison this is just another "X fought Y, it was super hard core" which has been the central pillar of GW fluff since the days it was filing the serial numbers off of 2000AD material.

Worst fluff indeed. Bah!

 Ronin_eX wrote:
SoB-blood annoi

HERESY! *BLAM*

Tyran wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

This is quite possibly the worst fluff gw has ever written.

No, not by a long shot.

It is incredibly disappointing, but it is nowhere as offensive as the Grey Knights slaughtering SoB to use their blood against Chaos, or anything written by C.S. Goto.


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 Lockark wrote:

So I guess the answer is we need to see the unit entries if they limit what can be transported?

Yes, and by seeing the Trygon's Subterranean Assault, which requires the Hive Fleet and Infantry keywords, I expect keywords requirements to be basically omnipresent.

But from the army comp rules leeked today it sounds like you can buy anything as a transport for anyone as long as the faction keywords match.

Thus why now I wonder if doing a imperial keyword faction let's you really mix and match units and transports. They are all the imperial faction keyword.

 Ronin_eX wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Poor Tyranids... feeded to Khorne:

Spoiler:

What a coincidence how great losses all chapters receive now that you can have Super better Primaris Marines, eh?

This is quite possibly the worst fluff gw has ever written.

What's that GW? Why, certainly, I'll hold your beer!

No need, we got Inquisitor Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau and half-eldar space marines back in Rogue Trader.

But seriously, that raises folks ire now? This isn't even the worst fluff about Blood Angels.

I am disappoint Dakka, this doesn't even pretend to approach SoB-blood annointed GK, Draigo, Spiritual Liege, or even BA+Necrons. And it can't even bask in the glow of terribadness that is C.S. Goto.

In comparison this is just another "X fought Y, it was super hard core" which has been the central pillar of GW fluff since the days it was filing the serial numbers off of 2000AD material.

Worst fluff indeed. Bah!

most of the people complaining just see Gulliman and go all "THE ULTRAMARINES SAVED THE BLOOD ANGELS RAAAAAGH!" forgetting two very important facts. 1: it's not the Ultramarines, it's the INDOMATUS CRUSADE, which consists of a number of space marine chapters (including an entire founding worth of primaris Marines) vast numbers of guard, proably large numbers of sisters of battle, the admech, ohh and the Adeptus freaking CUSTODES. 2: MOST of the Ultramarines are still in Ultramar (apparently fighting something called the Plague Wars)

 Lockark wrote:

Tyran wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

This is quite possibly the worst fluff gw has ever written.

No, not by a long shot.

It is incredibly disappointing, but it is nowhere as offensive as the Grey Knights slaughtering SoB to use their blood against Chaos, or anything written by C.S. Goto.


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 Lockark wrote:

So I guess the answer is we need to see the unit entries if they limit what can be transported?

Yes, and by seeing the Trygon's Subterranean Assault, which requires the Hive Fleet and Infantry keywords, I expect keywords requirements to be basically omnipresent.

But from the army comp rules leeked today it sounds like you can buy anything as a transport for anyone as long as the faction keywords match.

Thus why now I wonder if doing a imperial keyword faction let's you really mix and match units and transports. They are all the imperial faction keyword.

I'm hoping for necron ghost ark loaded with lychguard.

 buddha wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

Tyran wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

This is quite possibly the worst fluff gw has ever written.

No, not by a long shot.

It is incredibly disappointing, but it is nowhere as offensive as the Grey Knights slaughtering SoB to use their blood against Chaos, or anything written by C.S. Goto.


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 Lockark wrote:

So I guess the answer is we need to see the unit entries if they limit what can be transported?

Yes, and by seeing the Trygon's Subterranean Assault, which requires the Hive Fleet and Infantry keywords, I expect keywords requirements to be basically omnipresent.

But from the army comp rules leeked today it sounds like you can buy anything as a transport for anyone as long as the faction keywords match.

Thus why now I wonder if doing a imperial keyword faction let's you really mix and match units and transports. They are all the imperial faction keyword.

I'm hoping for necron ghost ark loaded with lychguard.

Chaos faction army with demons in rhinos/land raiders.

The Blood Angels fluff actually made me glad that I put Templars on hold (mainly due to cost as they aren't cheap to get into if you run melee builds...or their upgrade kit) and moved on to Blood Axes.

Yes, it was so bad that I don,t even want to look at the faction. You have to be the worst chapter master in history to need to be bailed out by Necrons and Daemons combined from a threat you got all of your successors to include the ones who are traitors to come fight off.

Even Guilliman showed up to bail Dante out.

Frig. For a chapter eith a tragic, glitter covered flaw, they sure suck at being as badass as actual vampires.

According to my poor maths the primaris starter force comes to 934 points. You are not going to have many minis in a 2000 point army. 10 intercessor marines cost 240 compared to 130 for a basically equipped tactical squad. That's quite a points difference.

Chikout wrote:
According to my poor maths the primaris starter force comes to 934 points. You are not going to have many minis in a 2000 point army. 10 intercessor marines cost 240 compared to 130 for a basically equipped tactical squad. That's quite a points difference.

Half the models but same number of wounds for the points.

Tbh we knew the 'Nids wouldn't have won.. but to lose because of a Warp Rift, followed by the seemingly instantaneous arrival of the SL is kind of disappointing

 Lockark wrote:

But from the army comp rules leeked today it sounds like you can buy anything as a transport for anyone as long as the faction keywords match.

Thus why now I wonder if doing a imperial keyword faction let's you really mix and match units and transports. They are all the imperial faction keyword.

You can buy transports for tanks based on the leaked rules, but obviously you cannot put tanks into a transport (Manta notwithstanding).

For example you could make a list that is pure Leman Russ squadrons and buy a drop pod for each Leman Russ squadron, but I really doubt you can put those squadrons in drop pods.

Or you could buy Rhinos for Vendettas.

Hell, you could buy a Chimera for an Imperial Knight.

Okay, back home, piece of stinky sponge removed from daughters nose.

Thanks for the kind wishes from people

About to update OP with the last Facebook Round-up, did I miss anything else that should be added in the last 15 pages?

 Rippy wrote:
Okay, back home, piece of stinky sponge removed from daughters nose.

Thanks for the kind wishes from people

About to update OP with the last Facebook Round-up, did I miss anything else that should be added in the last 15 pages?

A massive slew of leaks.

Have we seen sprue pics of the primaris marines yet?

Negative.

As a BA and Nid player...Jesus H, that crap almost makes Ward's fluff look decent.

Key word: Almost.

MattW wrote:
Have we seen sprue pics of the primaris marines yet?

They're snap fit. And if rumors hold true, shoulder pads are already mounted onto the model, not a seperate peice so no easy chapter swapping.

No, they're monopose, not snap fit.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
As a BA and Nid player...Jesus H, that crap almost makes Ward's fluff look decent.

Key word: Almost.

Considering Ward gave Sisters a solid bit of fluff of landing on a damon infested shrine world that had been lost to the warp and managing to enter the catacombs to recover lost relics and then skedattle right before the GK showed up to glass the planet...

He has his moments of good writing.

 gigasnail wrote:
Jesus that fluff is bad.

The tagline for this edition, I suspect.

changemod wrote:
Does anyone see either of the following:

Bonus attack for charging
Restriction on sharing transports between factions/subfactions.

Bonus attack seems to be a weapon quality now rather than anything inherent. Someone mentioned Orks(or whatever nonsense-name they come up with; Orguulkaarianoids or something) being lacklustre without the extra charge, but IIRC Choppas, like Chainswords, do get an additional CC attack inherently, and they can fire their sidearms into the enemy unit in the Shooting phase as well, right? Or am I misreading things?

Frankly I hope that restriction has gone away, I was really jazzed to make some Termite tunnellers for my Skitarii to count-as Drop Pods before they tried to band-aid the issues with deathstars and free stuff formations by limiting superficial interactions like vehicle use.

Lord Kragan wrote:
Yeah, let's be honest: this was mediocre but not as bad as you guys want to paint it. In so far I saw no mentions of multilasers nor any side invoking their spiritual liege. Nothing great, let's not kid ourselves but that looks like it's an introductory blurb of something that would actually develop more properly rather than proper "fluff" (it just says it happened doesn't expand on it).

It's more the Guy 1: "We gotta make this gak look proper serious, so Rowboat's entry seems heroic enough", Guy 2: "I know, lets kill off a Chapter Master!", Guy 3: "No, no, get this; *five Chapter Masters*.", Guy 1: "Dude...dude...dude. Dude. Perfect. Also dunk like three of them at the same time." Guy 3: "Genius." thing that makes me a bit grumpy. There's raising the stakes and there's taking the piss.

The sad thing is, the Restartes are starting to grow on me quite a lot in terms of the models, even those silly Flying Lobsters, but the fluff surrounding them is just so very very bad I don't think I could bring myself to enjoy collecting them as a force in their own right. As a basis for easier truescaling? Sure, but not on their own.

Tyran wrote:
Hell, you could buy a Chimera for an Imperial Knight.

Only if you model them as roller skates!

 Azreal13 wrote:
No, they're monopose, not snap fit.

From FB:

Q: Do we know if Primaris/DG are multipart or snap-fit single pose?
A: The Dark Imperium models are single-pose, but boy, are they brimming with character!

So they're monopose and snapfit.


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Orks are staying Orks because they already could trademark that.

Technically, that reply doesn't answer the question...