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2017/05/28 12:36:54
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
So we know that they're not using Heresy organisation. There's only 2 lieutenants per company (battle company-so reserves either don't have lieutenants or don't exist any more).
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2017/05/28 13:02:57
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
lord_blackfang wrote: That looks like a plus sized Razorback that randomly has a bunch of extra guns on it because everything has a bunch of extra guns on it nowadays and Land Raiders cry themselves to sleep every night.
Fat bottomed tanks make the 40k world go round.
Excellent reference !
longtime Astra Militarum neckbeard
2017/05/28 13:16:35
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
I'm shaking my head at the kind of wrong information people around here keep spewing and the amount of assumptions that's been preached as truth...
kronk wrote: I have been buying the old 3rd edition rhinos off eBay.
There is no such thing as '3rd edition rhino's', there have been two plastic kits for Rhino's, the one from the Rogue Trader days and the one we have now. The same is true for the Landraider.
macluvin wrote: Jokes on all the space marine players chaos wont get a fully updated range so we get to keep our old space marines in their current scale
Space Marines stay in their current scale. Only Primaris Marines are bigger, just like the Terminator marines weren't bigger Space Marines, they are a different unit.
Now, we might see Primaris Space Marines replacing regular Space Marines completely, but I seriously doubt that. For one, that is a ways off, they need to do so many things for the plastic range and fans only have so many money to spend at one time. GW would milk that for all it's worth, if that ever happens, it's still years off. But I honestly doubt it, I see a lot of potential for conflict between chapters over the Primaris Marines. Possibilities for corruption, etc. Ever wonder why the iconagraphy for the new rulebook is a Primaris helmet that has been corrupted on the left half? I do...
Also, the HH game will still have all the SM in the 'old' size, that's getting more popular. Having crossover units between them guarentees more sales for GW, so phasing them out in 40k is very unlikely.
@Someone who said that Lieutenants are new to Space Marines: They are not, back in the Rogue Trader days we had them. They were there so that not every battle was commanded by a captain.
2017/05/28 13:17:33
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
NivlacSupreme wrote: So we know that they're not using Heresy organisation. There's only 2 lieutenants per company (battle company-so reserves either don't have lieutenants or don't exist any more).
Ugh, if Guiliman thinks he can send my Crimson Fists a bunch of Marines with messed up heraldry, he's got another thing coming. No special helmet colors, no Company markings, just veterans with a red right fist.
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NivlacSupreme wrote: So we know that they're not using Heresy organisation. There's only 2 lieutenants per company (battle company-so reserves either don't have lieutenants or don't exist any more).
What I'd like to know how primaris with their smaller squad sizes fit into the company. Will there be twenty squads now?
NivlacSupreme wrote: So we know that they're not using Heresy organisation. There's only 2 lieutenants per company (battle company-so reserves either don't have lieutenants or don't exist any more).
I am the only one who thinks that looks like a football helmet?
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2017/05/28 13:33:01
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
At first glance I thought that was a Battletech Thunderbolt. (Thunder something could have gotten the name wrong been ages since I played. )
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
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Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
2017/05/28 13:47:50
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
I was reading the explanation of the new teleportation on the Nurgle lord and it says that you can teleport at the end of the moving phase anywhere on the battlefield but at least 9" from an enemy model. So no more scattering, how this will work with the Mawloc?
2017/05/28 13:54:00
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
Emicrania wrote: I was reading the explanation of the new teleportation on the Nurgle lord and it says that you can teleport at the end of the moving phase anywhere on the battlefield but at least 9" from an enemy model. So no more scattering, how this will work with the Mawloc?
Personally I'd just design it to deep strike directly into assault, maybe with a mortal wound on charge mechanism.
I mean, not a big fan of mortal wounds as a concept, but causing them on a charge is a pretty standard thing so consistency.
2017/05/28 13:55:52
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
Emicrania wrote: I was reading the explanation of the new teleportation on the Nurgle lord and it says that you can teleport at the end of the moving phase anywhere on the battlefield but at least 9" from an enemy model. So no more scattering, how this will work with the Mawloc?
Personally I'd just design it to deep strike directly into assault, maybe with a mortal wound on charge mechanism.
I mean, not a big fan of mortal wounds as a concept, but causing them on a charge is a pretty standard thing so consistency.
That sound pretty neat to me,especially considering my Mawloc gave me more headaches than joy the last years.
2017/05/28 14:07:27
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
Future War Cultist wrote: So with five men to a squad and the old tactical, assault and devastator load outs seemingly gone, did Roboute rewrite his book?
It's the only issue I have with the new marines. Tiny squad sizes and limited weapons. I can live with it though.
And ATSKNF is a battleshock reroll? Yes, that works for me!
Don't worry, you can still take four plasma cannons and a combi-plas if you like.
Might even be more versatile and cheaper: Shoot at any range and no paying for an extra attack and wound.
2017/05/28 14:42:28
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
It's the only issue I have with the new marines. Tiny squad sizes and limited weapons. I can live with it though.
Tiny squad sizes is an advantage in this edition. Short of Negative Leadership effects 5 man teams of Marines are almost immune to battleshock. If you kill 4 of the 5 there is a 90% chance the 5th guy will not die to Battleshock. The biggest downside to Primaris Marines is the Hellblasters. They are too good, and too expensive not to get focus fired out of existance. If you can eventually make squads with one Plasma Rifle and 4 Bolt Rifles, that will be the way to go. But that may be exactly why GW chose to organize them they way they did.
Minor edit due to not realizing Primaris Marine Sgts had one higher LDR. Figured they wouldn't because they wouldn't have vets yet... silly me.
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2017/05/28 14:46:42
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
I can't be crazy in thinking it quite obviously has tank treads, am I? So many people are trying to say it's a grav vehicle online, but absolutely nothing seems to indicate that.
A crazy thought about the tank: look at those square metallic plates in front (and more peculiarly) at the sides of the vehicle.
They remind me of the antigrav plates on many imperial hover vehicles.
Could it be a grav-tank?
I mean probably not, it otherwise doesn't look like it at all, but who knows.
Good spot - i recon the model makers have read the threads arguing why the landraider design wouldn't work in real life "too heavy, no ground clearance!"
So now: visible gravitic plates for all!
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2017/05/28 15:23:28
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
changemod wrote: Don't worry, you can still take four plasma cannons and a combi-plas if you like.
Might even be more versatile and cheaper: Shoot at any range and no paying for an extra attack and wound.
These will be a lot better now that overheating is more manageable.
Justyn wrote: Tiny squad sizes is an advantage in this edition. Short of Negative Leadership effects 5 man teams of Marines are almost immune to battleshock. If you kill 4 of the 5 there is a 90% chance the 5th guy will not die to Battleshock. The biggest downside to Primaris Marines is the Hellblasters. They are too good, and too expensive not to get focus fired out of existance. If you can eventually make squads with one Plasma Rifle and 4 Bolt Rifles, that will be the way to go. But that may be exactly why GW chose to organize them they way they did.
Minor edit due to not realizing Primaris Marine Sgts had one higher LDR. Figured they wouldn't because they wouldn't have vets yet... silly me.
You're right. With four marines dead you'd still need to roll 4+ (with a reroll, which becomes 5+ if it's the Sergeant) to have the last one flee.
About the new tank:
Is it me or do those plates on its side resemble the plates on the side of the Landspeeder?
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2017/05/28 15:41:12
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
At first glance I thought that was a Battletech Thunderbolt. (Thunder something could have gotten the name wrong been ages since I played. )
Thunderbolt is correct and yes it does down to the missile launcher.
I think it'd be a lot better if the shape and bulge of the chestplate didn't make him look like a walking codpiece.
Still like it, just gonna need to do something with that front armor plate.
Is that a skyhammer rocket in his pocket or is he happy to see me?
I honestly am not a fan. Glad people are enjoying it, for me though, aside from not liking the proportions (seriously, the legs look terrible and his body is bizarre) what I am turned off by the most are the fact that he is not grim dark AT ALL. I mean, all his weapons and plates and what not have that current day real life modern look. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see that canon on the nose of an A-10. The rocket pack also doesn't look like a space marine or 40k weapon, again it looks like it could be on a present modern day vehicle. He is a blatant riup off of the laviaten as well, I mean holy shat, the guy has ALL the same weapon hard links but done much worse.
Also, what the literal feth? That guy is dread knight sized, how are people not discussing that fact. Look at the hellbrute next to it, that thing has shorter limbs but definitely at least the mass of a dreadknight, I would guess he will make my Decemator Engines look small.
Also why on earth does that sarcophagus has a gorget?