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Slightly annoying the Primaris appear to be getting an additional codex after release, along with Death Guard.

 buddha wrote:
So question for anyone who has figured the point system out yet. Is the wargear cost included in the basic profile and the point sheet for additions or changes or does everyone have to pay for everything listed or added? Seems like a lot of book keeping for the latter.

From the way it looks, the price listed for a unit is for them naked. You have to buy any and all wargear that they have. So a Terminator has to buy his storm bolter and power fist. The only exception is the Named Characters.


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 Cephalobeard wrote:
Slightly annoying the Primaris appear to be getting an additional codex after release, along with Death Guard.

Agreed. But if the units come with their datasheet like what has been the norm for a while, that isn't as much of an annoyance to me.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

Lorex wrote:
Anyone that have necron info?

This is from a page or 2 back I just copy and paste.

Necrons:

Reanimation protocols are made at the start of your movement phase. Roll a D6 for every slain model, on a 5+ it comes back. You can roll again in the following turns. You cannot roll if the whole unit is slain.
Living metal allows for automatically regaining lost wounds
Basic Gauss is 24" Rapid Fire **Ap-2**,
GaussCannon is Ap-3 Dmg
Discipline 10
Warriors cost unchanged form 7th.
Monolith M6" W20 S8 T8 Save3+,
Gauss Flux Arc Heavy 3 S5 Ap-2,
Whip Heavy 6 S8 Ap-2
DmgD6. When it gets charged, roll on a D6 and if
4+ (or worse, depending on wounds lost)
charging unit gets D6 mortal wounds.

Yeah i have seen this. Byt just wonder if är have pic like the marine book.

If they're the first to receive a codex, you'll likely need the book regardless because it will contain relics, etc.

Have we not seen very many Deamon leaks?

Looking for any Nurgle details - Really wanting to see Scabeiathrax to see if he would finally be a good center of my army

Any GSC pics? If someone has the Tau book they also have GSC in that index.

Are Forgeworld units and dataslates completely 40K legal or are they optional/expansion stuff from a sister company?

Completely legal IF they're from the new FW indexes.

BertBert wrote:
In case this hasn't been posted yet (Crisis Suits & Bodyguards + more if you keep scrolling):

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=853161441506330&set=pcb.865645963573734&type=3&theater

I wish they would have taken the time to focus their camera.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Completely legal IF they're from the new FW indexes.

Excellent. The more units and variety in the game, the better. Have all the FW indexes been leaked?

I want that Hellforged Leviathan BAD ^_^ I wonder what it costs in points. 500?

Interesting to note that I haven't seen this posted yet but I saw it listed in the datasheet for a leaked Tau flyer:

The "hard to hit" rule, previously causing all models to snapshoot when they shot at flyers/fmc, etc, has been changed to a -1 to hit modifier, and I can imagine that this is the case for all flyers and FMC.

While I was hoping for more than that, it makes sense because the amounts of wounds have been increased for flyers and such, which wound have led to flyers and FMC being stupidly durable if it was a -2 or -3 to hit modifier.

Why do you guys think that tournaments are going to go over 2k? They could just go to 1.5 instead. Just because the points adjustment means that everything you take now is more expensive doesn't mean you up the points limit but keep it the same, results in new lists and more interesting decisions at the list building stage that way

 luke1705 wrote:
Interesting to note that I haven't seen this posted yet but I saw it listed in the datasheet for a leaked Tau flyer:

The "hard to hit" rule, previously causing all models to snapshoot when they shot at flyers/fmc, etc, has been changed to a -1 to hit modifier, and I can imagine that this is the case for all flyers and FMC.

While I was hoping for more than that, it makes sense because the amounts of wounds have been increased for flyers and such, which wound have led to flyers and FMC being stupidly durable if it was a -2 or -3 to hit modifier.

And it looks like Skyfire has been changed to "+1 to hit" against targets that have the "Fly" keyword.


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 Cephalobeard wrote:
Slightly annoying the Primaris appear to be getting an additional codex after release, along with Death Guard.

It's not really surprising. That's the way it went with AoS; the starter box stuff got their books first.

 luke1705 wrote:
Interesting to note that I haven't seen this posted yet but I saw it listed in the datasheet for a leaked Tau flyer:

The "hard to hit" rule, previously causing all models to snapshoot when they shot at flyers/fmc, etc, has been changed to a -1 to hit modifier, and I can imagine that this is the case for all flyers and FMC.

While I was hoping for more than that, it makes sense because the amounts of wounds have been increased for flyers and such, which wound have led to flyers and FMC being stupidly durable if it was a -2 or -3 to hit modifier.

I was thinking the same RE FMC, but if you look at the Commander in coldstar suit, who was previously a FMC, he doesn't have the hard to hit rule

I'm disappointed with how they handled the Tau (specifically the crisis suits). I'm not commenting on the relative power level (which is impossible to gauge without playing) but rather the reliance on gimmicks instead of properly statting and costing the suits. Combined with the fluff/rules changes to my Astartes Secundus marine armies, it isn't looking good for me personally at first glance.

I love it!!!!

So basically you have the option to kit out most models however you want. For marines we can see that the basic bolter is free, so is the bolt pistol and CCW.

So you can choose if you want to go bolt pistol CCW, bolter, etc.

Then for other specialized things you can decide what upgrades to buy or not. We also see that for certain models the upgrade is free(like the crozius) but you still have the option to take other things if that is what you want. Meanhile the things with more options start off cheaper with less. Also it helps deal with trying to balance out weapon swaps. Instead of paying for that special issue bolter and then paying the same to get a plasma gun you just buy the plasma gun without worrying that you wasted points on the base guy getting the special issue bolter. I love it!!

It will take some getting used to but I like it!!! The versatility in building the models you want to build is amazing!! Now if we can see how IG was pointed for certain things to see if it is different across different factions.

Any IG info?

 Leth wrote:
I love it!!!!

So basically you have the option to kit out most models however you want. For marines we can see that the basic bolter is free, so is the bolt pistol and CCW.

So you can choose if you want to go bolt pistol CCW, bolter, etc.

Then for other specialized things you can decide what upgrades to buy or not. We also see that for certain models the upgrade is free(like the crozius) but you still have the option to take other things if that is what you want. Meanhile the things with more options start off cheaper with less. Also it helps deal with trying to balance out weapon swaps. Instead of paying for that special issue bolter and then paying the same to get a plasma gun you just buy the plasma gun without worrying that you wasted points on the base guy getting the special issue bolter. I love it!!

It will take some getting used to but I like it!!! The versatility in building the models you want to build is amazing!! Now if we can see how IG was pointed for certain things to see if it is different across different factions.

Why are you imagining that you can kit out things more freely than before? The dataslate still lists what equipment and option the unit has.

I really hope that we don't have a Primaris book drop until they have a well-rounded range, I don't think anyone wants another two-book release like we had for the Stormcast Battletome.

Anyone else notice there is no more generic chapter masters? Oops

 BroodSpawn wrote:
Why do you guys think that tournaments are going to go over 2k? They could just go to 1.5 instead. Just because the points adjustment means that everything you take now is more expensive doesn't mean you up the points limit but keep it the same, results in new lists and more interesting decisions at the list building stage that way

Because the detachment that should be seeing the most play is the Battalion Detachment, which requires 2 HQ and 3 Troops. Jumping the price of those units up means that most of the armies will have little room for choice. Which means a Space Marine army is going to be pretty much a carbon copy of another Space Marine army at its core. And that just makes the game boring. More points equals more choice, which means more enjoyable gameplay.

Yeah, all I see that it does is control point values more specifically and with sweeping errata (if lascannons are underpriced, they just need to change 1 number in an army list)

 Red Corsair wrote:
Anyone else notice there is no more generic chapter masters? Oops

They all died in Baal.

Is it just me or is the tau link not working anymore.

Yeah, it's definitely gone. Not surprising, really, it went all over the internet in minutes.

yellowfever wrote:
Is it just me or is the tau link not working anymore.

Not working for me either and was just five minutes ago.

Looks like its been deleted to me.

yellowfever wrote:
Is it just me or is the tau link not working anymore.

https://www.facebook.com/GrotOrderly

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 BroodSpawn wrote:
Why do you guys think that tournaments are going to go over 2k? They could just go to 1.5 instead. Just because the points adjustment means that everything you take now is more expensive doesn't mean you up the points limit but keep it the same, results in new lists and more interesting decisions at the list building stage that way

Because the detachment that should be seeing the most play is the Battalion Detachment, which requires 2 HQ and 3 Troops. Jumping the price of those units up means that most of the armies will have little room for choice. Which means a Space Marine army is going to be pretty much a carbon copy of another Space Marine army at its core. And that just makes the game boring. More points equals more choice, which means more enjoyable gameplay.

When I first saw the Battalion I thought it looked hard to get. Then I realised you're basically there with the marines from the starter. Just need 1 more squad of Intercessors.

I'm just browsing through the Tau rules but imho this is not looking good. Stealth suits now only get a -1 to hit penalty when you shoot them from over 12".. and ghosts keels a -2 (if the drone still lives). Guess stealth suits go back on the shelve again. Also all our template weapons are now useless, D6 hits? What a terrible joke, the only use they had was against hordes where you'd score and easy 6-8 hits, or deep striking units doing the same, how is an average of 3.5 HITS going to help against waves of ork boys or tyranid, sigh. Markerlights are pretty iffy, if you dont get 5 hits there is no +BS, just a reroll on 1 but I guess they are still required to get relentless as that has been removed from all our battlesuits as well.

Haha and get this, broadsides used to be 65 points, now they are 80 base with no weapons rofl. Yeah great they can get 2 HYMPs now, at 40 points a pop rofl. No wonder 2000pts games will no longer last as long, you can bring half the units now :'). Even the heavy rail rifle is 60 points doubling the cost of a single broadside. I'm at a loss for words here how the guy that wrote the tau faction focus was so excited..

 Red Corsair wrote:
Anyone else notice there is no more generic chapter masters? Oops

Not surprising, sadly. I can't think of a time I ever wanted to field a Captain instead of a Chapter Master since the CM got Orbital Bombardments.

Made for a really cool Raven Guard thing.