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I have mixed feelings ... the game needed a rebalancing and bit of a reboot, but I'm a bit tired of buying new versions, especially since the last few have such seemingly short lifespans.

I do wish they had released some form of free get-by rosters with the free rules to evaluate whether to make the jump to 8th - but I guess the leaked index pictures have pretty much done that.

Personally, I have yet to play 8th, but signs are looking good I will eventually pick up the indexes, at least.

 Megaknob wrote:
Why are people complaining about the index books, every one complained the game was unbalanced, they only way to sort it out properly and thoroughly was a reboot, thus spawned the new books, the reason they did not release all of the new individual faction books is because that would be a gargantuan task to undertake.
We can play with the simplified books for now while they get the proper codex books ready, I also think it's a massive world wide beta, so we can properly see what is balanced and what is not.

"For in the grim dark future there is only war and complaining that nothing is ever good enough."

To be honest, being a multinational and multimillonarie company as GW, the minimums that people expect from then, having in account how much they charge for they products, are far from being unreasonable.

In the other hand, after all these years, is just like... "At least you aren't pissing in your own pants again"

Is as easy as spending your money elsewere if you don't consider that they offer a value you find reasonable for what they charge for their products, being it models, rules, etc... (Basically, this is why I never buy direct from GW. Only Krell, because that model is beautifull.)

 Galas wrote:
To be honest, being a multinational and multimillonarie company as GW, the minimums that people expect from then, having in account how much they charge for they products, are far from being unreasonable.

In the other hand, after all these years, is just like... "At least you aren't pissing in your own pants again"

Is as easy as spending your money elsewere if you don't consider that they offer a value you find reasonable for what they charge for their products, being it models, rules, etc... (Basically, this is why I never buy direct from GW. Only Krell, because that model is beautifull.)

Ultimately I think there is truth in this that a lot of people don't understand. On the GW site they are proclaiming that this is the game that we asked for. How did we ask for it? By not buying the other ones or buying enough to figure out that we didn't like that.. and communicating as much to them. The same language was spoken with Finecast.

If we don't like this edition.. I imagine they'll have to figure something out but there's enough excitement behind this and it's different enough that the initial surge will lift them (GW) up quite a bit and the stark difference in system will mean it'll be a while before we figure out whether or not we actually like this one and even what it is we do or don't. (not talking about things people already claim they hate about it or love about it.. but more things that take a year or two of playing to figure out).

I really hope that the successes of Space Hulk and Shadow War (and AOS Skirmish.. is that out? Wait.. I should probably get that..) will send the same message about those of us who remember and miss the older specialist games.

The bottom line is, they're listening right now.. we have to make sure we're saying things that make sense in a way they will understand.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Not a very good comparison. The Stephen King book isn't a "draft" whilst he finishes the real book. The Indexes are.

Then keep using your 7th Ed codex..or your 5th edition codex... I mean unless this is your first edition of 40K, you know that Codexes are only drafts until the next version comes out.

krazynadechukr wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
Why charge people for the index books knowing full well they're going to be temporary?

Because many of us would rather pay to have those rules in an official printed capacity, instead of reading them off of a tablet, or printing them ourselves.

Okay, so why aren't they available as a free PDF and as a bought book?

because GW isn't a charity, but a for profit business maybe?

Not really. It's been proven time and again that companies sell more overall (even physical books) if they release all rules for free. Its just an outdated business practice.

Proven? Really?



Pull the other one.

The rules will be available for free, but not until after the 17th.

June WD preorder

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/White-dwarf-june-2017-eng

Warhams-77 wrote:
June WD preorder

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/White-dwarf-june-2017-eng

Almost did the $18 for a White Dwarf? Then I double checked the flag. I would laugh but feel sorry for the New Zealanders and Aussies. Us Canadians are what third from you guys in prices?

I dont know if they are new, but Death Guard paint (pot and spray can) are available for preorder as well

Warhams-77 wrote:
June WD preorder

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/White-dwarf-june-2017-eng

Thanks, will add to OP when I have a moment.


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Epub versions of rulebook and indices up on NZ/Aus GW website for pre-order.

Also starter collections that come with the relevant Index.

I really wish they would leak some more Death Guard stuff or something.. I took the Death Guard half of the starter box before all the New Primaris stuff was leaked.. feeling remorse, lol.

Warhams-77 wrote:
I dont know if they are new, but Death Guard paint (pot and spray can) are available for preorder as well

Yes, they went on preorder last week.

Chopxsticks wrote:
I really wish they would leak some more Death Guard stuff or something.. I took the Death Guard half of the starter box before all the New Primaris stuff was leaked.. feeling remorse, lol.

You don't deserve to carry out war in Papa's name

 Rippy wrote:
Epub versions of rulebook and indices up on NZ/Aus GW website for pre-order.

Also starter collections that come with the relevant Index.

Also from last week, as they're already on the U.S. site who won't get their preorders until tomorrow.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Epub versions of rulebook and indices up on NZ/Aus GW website for pre-order.

Also starter collections that come with the relevant Index.

Also from last week, as they're already on the U.S. site who don't get their preorders until tomorrow.

No worries, hadnt noticed them, or saw anyone talk about it here so thought I would point it out.

Nevermind

Chairman Aeon wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Not a very good comparison. The Stephen King book isn't a "draft" whilst he finishes the real book. The Indexes are.

Then keep using your 7th Ed codex..or your 5th edition codex... I mean unless this is your first edition of 40K, you know that Codexes are only drafts until the next version comes out.

By this amazing logic then every edition of 40k is also a draft because a new version of the game will be released. Often sooner than a new version of a Codex! Come on, there is no reason to not expect better from GW in terms of creating well organized books. It's not that hard.

Dark Imperium Death Guard models - size comparison

By Atia https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2145


Updated my post with more pics

That Death Guard isn't as big as it appeared from previous pics. It doesn't look that his Primaris size.

slightly bigger and stuntier, but not a difference so bigh that makes him stand out as Primaris does compared with old marines.


I'll chuckle a little if all the doomsaying about DeathGuard being PrimarisScale ends in nothing. And I'll be glad for my Chaos Marines Characters.

They are bigger but even the 2nd Ed one wouldnt look totally out of place if put on a piece of cork/scenic base which is what I will do with mine as they need a 32mm base upgrade anyway. Plastic MkIII should work too if based higher.

I agree, they will look good mixed in with the FW DG upgrades.

The DG are smaller than I expected from some previous shots. Truth be told, I like them this size, and wish they had just gone with making marines this size versus the Primaris size. It minimizes the divide between old and New while still adjusting the scale to something more representative of a space marine.

I was thinking that they where Primaris size, and with that it sound just wrong for them to have 1 wound. With this size is much more reasonable.

Hmm, I'm actually disappointed, I was hoping they could be used for truescale Plague Marines with only slight conversion.

It also doesn't look like we're getting that single-sprue Primaris they were giving away with full-bundle preorders in stores with the WD, which is a shame.

I was really hoping that there would be a miniature included with this month's White Dwarf. Oh well. I guess thems the brakes.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Hmm, I'm actually disappointed, I was hoping they could be used for truescale Plague Marines with only slight conversion....

Along those lines, how well could someone convert primaris into death guard?
Do DG have jump troops and plasma weapon devastator equivalents?

EDIT: Also have been watching several recent BATREPs for 8th.
This is really looking like a good edition for new players and returning players.

That might have gotten me to purchase my first White Dwarf in..... crikey .... a long long time.

So is the single sprued Primaris Marine we have seen just a pre-order bonus at GW stores rather than a White Dwarf bonus? It is certainly part of one of the pre-order tiers at my local GW.