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BrianDavion wrote:
honestly the people who claim nothing happened, there is quite literally no pleasing. their idea of "change" would be Abbaddon invading the Sol syste, the entre military might of the IoM concentrating for 1 battle, before Abbaddon blows earth up with the Planet Killer.
nevermind that that level of change would quite literally destroy 40k

Hence, as some of us have been saying since year dot, the whole idea of an advancing timeline is pointless goalpost shifting. Every time they "move things forward" they have to rebalance the status quo between the factions so it still resembles the status quo ante, or else 40K's story ends.

I got a question guys. As far as I've heard/seen a transport can now have a number of different units embarked on it. The Tyranid Tyrannofex says that you can either have A unit of up to 20 infantry models or A monster with up to 14 wounds embarked on it. Do you think you would still be able to mix and match the 20 infantry models, or would it have to be a single unit of up to 20 infantry models? The reason I am asking this is because of how it is worded. To quote: "When you set up a Tyrannocyte in its hive ship, you can also set up a <Hive Fleet> infantry unit of up to 20 models" ...

It's one unit. Other transports are worded differently, they only mention models, not units.

That turmoil is what some of us find entertaining about an advancing story. There are disadvantages, but then there are disadvantages to a static setting. Sales will tell GW if it was a good idea or not, though if their stock is anything to go by I'd say people like the change.

Milkshaker wrote:
Thanks for doing such a great job with the OP of this thread. It's been a joy to read! I can't wait to see more of the new death guard! I really really hope they will be a great army to field!

lord_blackfang wrote:You are a gentleman and a scholar, Rippy.

Thanks dudes, it has been a pleasure!

 Rippy wrote:

Milkshaker wrote:
Thanks for doing such a great job with the OP of this thread. It's been a joy to read! I can't wait to see more of the new death guard! I really really hope they will be a great army to field!

lord_blackfang wrote:You are a gentleman and a scholar, Rippy.

Thanks dudes, it has been a pleasure!

Blackfang has it wrong though...

You're clearly a Scholar-Gentleman

 Yodhrin wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
honestly the people who claim nothing happened, there is quite literally no pleasing. their idea of "change" would be Abbaddon invading the Sol syste, the entre military might of the IoM concentrating for 1 battle, before Abbaddon blows earth up with the Planet Killer.
nevermind that that level of change would quite literally destroy 40k

Hence, as some of us have been saying since year dot, the whole idea of an advancing timeline is pointless goalpost shifting. Every time they "move things forward" they have to rebalance the status quo between the factions so it still resembles the status quo ante, or else 40K's story ends.

The setting has always been a setting: Individual stories, individual games can be set at any point during the 10,000 year timeline.

There's zero harm in setting stories past the 41st millenium year 999 cutoff point, but there is harm in treating the setting as if it's one story.

And honestly that's what they've done here, with massive sweeping arbitrary changes to the galaxy map for the sake of change, and Gulliman as the very clear protagonist of the galaxy's story.

Ahh, another round of "take my personal preferences as fact". How fun.

White Dwarf is here. Death Guard look lovely, seriously good.

Not much else in there that's a surprise, but given the comprehensive leaks this was always gonna underwhelm!

No free miniature. :-(

One final troll of forum dwellers though...

a design your own primeris marine chapter thingy from my local GW via facebook




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From Element Games on facebook (but I bet it's also going to effect other retailers)

Rippy, I just want to say you deserve massive kudos my man! This is without a doubt the BEST N&R thread I've ever read anywhere on the Internet. That op is a thing of beauty and I never had to search through 538 pages of stuff to find one tidbit of info- it was all in the OP! Thanks for all your hard work! It was greatly appreciated by myself and many other people!

Yeah, you've done a great job gathering all the relevant news. I abandoned the thread on the whole because of how off-topic and/or nonsensical some posters got but you've managed to keep us all informed thanks to the OP.

Looks like 8th is going to be a big hit, as I'm sure one of the FB comments was something along the lines of "You better have enough stock available for launch" GW- "Don't worry, we got this" looks like.... they might not 'Got this' although, the fact that even though they have obviously prepared, to be running low on stock when we are still a week out. Thats a lot of boxes. Looks like a few more GW stocks are on the cards for me.

PS: Rippy, this has been my first stop on the interwebs over the last few weeks, you have done a great job. Thank you.

Agreed!

Often times, you'd be better off *just* reading the OP.

Or, you know, going to the official site - but where's the fun it that?

Of course, now that 8E is almost official here, this thread's only got a few days left in it...

 JohnnyHell wrote:
White Dwarf is here. Death Guard look lovely, seriously good.

Next month preview please

zamerion wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
White Dwarf is here. Death Guard look lovely, seriously good.

Next month preview please

"Know no fear."

So presumably it's just the non-monopose primaris release.

Oh whaddup! Did not expect my WD to arrive to today. Well this just turned an absolute of a ing day into a good one!

changemod wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
honestly the people who claim nothing happened, there is quite literally no pleasing. their idea of "change" would be Abbaddon invading the Sol syste, the entre military might of the IoM concentrating for 1 battle, before Abbaddon blows earth up with the Planet Killer.
nevermind that that level of change would quite literally destroy 40k

Hence, as some of us have been saying since year dot, the whole idea of an advancing timeline is pointless goalpost shifting. Every time they "move things forward" they have to rebalance the status quo between the factions so it still resembles the status quo ante, or else 40K's story ends.

The setting has always been a setting: Individual stories, individual games can be set at any point during the 10,000 year timeline.

Not true.

Not every faction has ten thousand years of history to play around with, which is why simply limiting things to the Imperium's past is not good as it leaves these players out permanently. The Tau were not a technological race until recently. When they were first encountered by the Imperium 6000 years ago they were stone age hunters, which is hardly suitable for a 40K game. The Tyranids did not really arrive on the scene til Behemoth. The Necrons did not really become more active until recently. Sure one can try to handwave it as an isolated tomb world or a splinter fleet that conveniently disappears again, but then you also relegate these to effectively never making any impact whatsoever on the background if they are forced to somehow be forgotten about or be made to go inactive again (so that the Imperium can be surprised when the Necrons or Tyranids really show up in late M41). Players usually like to play their armies as what their armies actually are, not handwaved "stand-in" armies or have deus ex machina negate any impact they might make on background.

The entire history of these factions is compressed into a tiny part at the end of M41 (see below) which causes increasing issues as they have no additional time to work with. The advancement of the timeline gives them more space and time in which to do things and have new units.

For example, the Tau have only been active and technological for a short period of time. Some of their weapons in their Codex are recent additions. This creates problems for GW if more additions are added in future editions, as ever more stuff gets crammed into a narrow unchanging window of time. One thing GW has done is try to retcon stuff further back, such as the Tau's Custodian class carrier ship, but that only goes so far because it still runs into the barrier of when the Tau actually became a technological spacefaring race, and also creates problems with continuity. This is because the Tau are explicitly described as having inferior space forces in the Damocles Crusade, and the Custodian was part of a Tau naval expansion and modernization as a result of shortcomings uncovered during that Crusade. Retcon things too far back and you overturn the reason for the Custodian's existence. Don't retcon enough and you run into the barrier of the Damocles Crusade as the earliest time when one can even think about a Custodian class carrier existing, even if just on the drawing board. It also strains ever more suspension of disbelief if the Tau are shown as taking over more worlds or sectors given the small size of their empire and their limited resources.

Lord Damocles wrote:
'First contact' between the Imperium and the Necrons was at Sanctuary 101 in 897.M41. We know that there were some contacts before this, but the whole point of Sanctuary was that it was the first time the Necrons were aknowledged as a serious threat. However the timeline has already been pushed back so far that the Imperium has had multiple major conflicts with the Necrons, on multiple planets of far more value, long before Sanctuary - it strains suspension of disbelief that the Necrons can be such a 'new' threat if they've been in conflict with the Imperium for hundreds of years. We now have an Inquistor running about inside an active tombworld a full century before Sanctuary, but apparently not bothering to tell anybody about it?

The problem for the Tau is that any advancement of their technology (which is kind of their thing) has to be placed within an already packed out timeline - it's only been two and a half centuries since the Damocles Gulf Crusade; during which time they've recovered from the Imperial Crusade, re-developed their fleet, developed a load of new battlesuits and weapons, defeated a Hive Fleet, stopped a Waagh!, expanded their colonies, launched a major expansion, etc..

Thankfully the bad timeline stuff is explainable as "the Imperium screwed up datekeeping" now. But yes, too much crammed into the last chunk of the timeline.

Malanthrope, Meka-Dread and Y'vhara rules up.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/12/forge-world-index-xenos-preview/

Wait, what? Using the Nova reactor gives you an automatic wound now?

 BrookM wrote:
Wait, what? Using the Nova reactor gives you an automatic wound now?

Off of 14 wounds? ok.

Mega Charge....

Malanthrope has no Fly Keyword?

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Malanthrope has no Fly Keyword?

Why would it? It's just an oversized venomthrope, isn't it?

Y'vahra looks less poor than the riptide, but slightly hard to tell without points values.

I'll note it's lost torrent on it's flamer gun and the flechettes will never come up though: If you aren't in combat you won't shoot a pistol over better guns, and if you are in combat you'll leave immediately because you can fly.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Malanthrope has no Fly Keyword?

Why would it? It's just an oversized venomthrope, isn't it?

And Venomthropes have Fly

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Malanthrope has no Fly Keyword?

Why would it? It's just an oversized venomthrope, isn't it?

And Venomthropes have Fly

Huh, do they now? That's handy.
Where are their wings though? Or do they float?

They fart.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Malanthrope has no Fly Keyword?

Why would it? It's just an oversized venomthrope, isn't it?

And Venomthropes have Fly

Huh, do they now? That's handy.
Where are their wings though? Or do they float?

They float - big gas bags.