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Loopstah wrote:
Malanthrope, Meka-Dread and Y'vhara rules up.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/12/forge-world-index-xenos-preview/

That Meka-Dread looks pretty sweet - some fun rules and 5+ Invuln to all Ork units within 9" is nice.

They put Rokkit-bomms on the Dread datasheet but I don't see a way for them to take it.

 JohnU wrote:
They put Rokkit-bomms on the Dread datasheet but I don't see a way for them to take it.

Good catch - that seems to be a missing option

So basically FW broke things again?

 Mr Morden wrote:

 JohnU wrote:
They put Rokkit-bomms on the Dread datasheet but I don't see a way for them to take it.

Good catch - that seems to be a missing option

Or something that shouldn't be on the datasheet...

changemod wrote:
Y'vahra looks less poor than the riptide, but slightly hard to tell without points values.

I'll note it's lost torrent on it's flamer gun and the flechettes will never come up though: If you aren't in combat you won't shoot a pistol over better guns, and if you are in combat you'll leave immediately because you can fly.

Overwatch?

 ClockworkZion wrote:
So basically FW broke things again?

I will wait to see how many points all these new units are. I bet at least some will be heavly overpriced.

Malanthrope is one of my favorite models hands down. Glad he is still a boss on the table! Being a 9 wound character than buffs nearby units with his venomthrope shroud is awesome! No more sniping the Malanthrope to get rid of cover bonuses. Though he has been balanced a bit now. His save is atrocious (but he gets -1 to be hit) and he no longer regenerates.

From community site: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/12/building-primaris-space-marinesgw-homepage-post-4/

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
So basically FW broke things again?

I will wait to see how many points all these new units are. I bet at least some will be heavly overpriced.

Meka-dread is basically a double deff-dread with 1 extra BS. Deff is PL8. This is PL12. Seems about right to me since 2 deff dreads would be 16PL at the same toughness, but with more guns.

I'll make a bet right now that this will be 115-120 points base if the klaws are not included.

Edit: Actually should add some points for those abilities, too. Maybe 140 to 150. It's hard to figure out how much they valued hit and run. The ramshackle isn't terribly powerful. |

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
So basically FW broke things again?

I will wait to see how many points all these new units are. I bet at least some will be heavly overpriced.

I meant more that they "broke" the new units by making mistakes on their datasheets.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
From community site: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/12/building-primaris-space-marinesgw-homepage-post-4/

This has to be one of the best building monopose miniatures for a starter set of Warhammer. Very intuitive and allow for a very easy customization, changing arms, heads, etc....

Not like the Chaos Chosen of Dark Vengeane. They where lovely models but how they were divided in parts... WTF? The one with an Axe and the superior half of his head attached to the axe-arm

Nice to see some more details from the kit.

 rollawaythestone wrote:
Malanthrope is one of my favorite models hands down. Glad he is still a boss on the table! Being a 9 wound character than buffs nearby units with his venomthrope shroud is awesome! No more sniping the Malanthrope to get rid of cover bonuses. Though he has been balanced a bit now. His save is atrocious (but he gets -1 to be hit) and he no longer regenerates.

It doesn't say units it says model with in 3" so only useful for small number of models. But you could put him close to a Hive Tyrant and make it harder to hit.

 ClockworkZion wrote:



Nice to see some more details from the kit.

Lots of the newer kits have the gun barrels already hollow. Guess they couldn't be bothered to do that with these?

str00dles1 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:



Nice to see some more details from the kit.

Lots of the newer kits have the gun barrels already hollow. Guess they couldn't be bothered to do that with these?

Two part bolters would be fiddly and annoying honestly. Bigger guns like Heavy Bolters work though because they're bigger.

nordsturmking wrote:

 rollawaythestone wrote:
Malanthrope is one of my favorite models hands down. Glad he is still a boss on the table! Being a 9 wound character than buffs nearby units with his venomthrope shroud is awesome! No more sniping the Malanthrope to get rid of cover bonuses. Though he has been balanced a bit now. His save is atrocious (but he gets -1 to be hit) and he no longer regenerates.

It doesn't say units it says model with in 3" so only useful for small number of models. But you could put him close to a Hive Tyrant and make it harder to hit.

The real question is how do you resolve a shooting attack against a unit where only some of the models have -1 to hit? My guess is that it's an error by FW and it should be units and not models.

When in doubt, it's an error by FW. They don't exactly have a good (or even passable) record of churning out lots of functional rules updates in a short time. Anyone remember IA: Aeronautica?

 Nighttail wrote:

nordsturmking wrote:

 rollawaythestone wrote:
Malanthrope is one of my favorite models hands down. Glad he is still a boss on the table! Being a 9 wound character than buffs nearby units with his venomthrope shroud is awesome! No more sniping the Malanthrope to get rid of cover bonuses. Though he has been balanced a bit now. His save is atrocious (but he gets -1 to be hit) and he no longer regenerates.

It doesn't say units it says model with in 3" so only useful for small number of models. But you could put him close to a Hive Tyrant and make it harder to hit.

The real question is how do you resolve a shooting attack against a unit where only some of the models have -1 to hit? My guess is that it's an error by FW and it should be units and not models.

Or you just read the rules in question.

We had this kind of stuff in the past, and it was generally not an issue except when people wanted it to be an issue.

 Nighttail wrote:

nordsturmking wrote:

 rollawaythestone wrote:
Malanthrope is one of my favorite models hands down. Glad he is still a boss on the table! Being a 9 wound character than buffs nearby units with his venomthrope shroud is awesome! No more sniping the Malanthrope to get rid of cover bonuses. Though he has been balanced a bit now. His save is atrocious (but he gets -1 to be hit) and he no longer regenerates.

It doesn't say units it says model with in 3" so only useful for small number of models. But you could put him close to a Hive Tyrant and make it harder to hit.

The real question is how do you resolve a shooting attack against a unit where only some of the models have -1 to hit? My guess is that it's an error by FW and it should be units and not models.

Not a problem, you target a unit where one of the models has a -1 to hit, you're targeting that model and it kicks in.

Models are not targeted, units are. Most likely the rule means "if a target unit has at least one model within 3 inches..." but that's not what it says.

The way I'd play it is like cover; either the whole unit has it or it doesn't. But I agree that its almost certainly a mistake, given FW's track record of lackluster rules integration.

It's an error, based on the Venomthrope ability's wording saying unit. Easy to work around. Unless you rilly rilly wanna be that guy. They'll FAQ it pronto I'm sure.

 ClockworkZion wrote:



Nice to see some more details from the kit.

Hopefully they do a whole series on how to paint the minis from the set like they did for Dark Vengeance.

Very disappointed that the meka-dread no longer has the ability to repair.

The Ramshackle Monster rule seems rather pointless. It's likely to save you a wound or so, but it's a very complicated way to go about that. For all the streamlining, 8th edition still suffers from GW rules writers' apparent need to make new rules for every unit rather than working with the tools that the profile gives them.

 ZergSmasher wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Spoiler:

Nice to see some more details from the kit.

Hopefully they do a whole series on how to paint the minis from the set like they did for Dark Vengeance.

We already have a SCHEDULE for what Duncan's doing this week.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
Very disappointed that the meka-dread no longer has the ability to repair.

The Ramshackle Monster rule seems rather pointless. It's likely to save you a wound or so, but it's a very complicated way to go about that. For all the streamlining, 8th edition still suffers from GW rules writers' apparent need to make new rules for every unit rather than working with the tools that the profile gives them.

On the other hand I'm liking the BS 4+ that doesn't degrade. Just a pity it can't swap both claws for Kannon…

 Perfect Organism wrote:
Very disappointed that the meka-dread no longer has the ability to repair.

The Ramshackle Monster rule seems rather pointless. It's likely to save you a wound or so, but it's a very complicated way to go about that. For all the streamlining, 8th edition still suffers from GW rules writers' apparent need to make new rules for every unit rather than working with the tools that the profile gives them.

I'm not sure how to interpret your last sentence, but the thought process is that they write rules for the model. It's an appropriate rule that adds to the feel of the model without making a model with just another 4++ or 5++.

Damn, I was really hoping the marines would have interchangeable shoulder pads. A few days ago I ordered $40 worth of Dark Angels pads

 Luciferian wrote:
Damn, I was really hoping the marines would have interchangeable shoulder pads. A few days ago I ordered $40 worth of Dark Angels pads

Aw man that sucks, If I hadn't so many spare Space Wolves transfers I might have done the same.


Alot of independent online retailers are warning that pre-order stocks of Dark Imperium are running low. Buy now to avoid disappointment. The place I pre-ordered from told me that they will be dispatching orders as soon as stock arrives (usually Wednesday). I might get mine on release day, all being well