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 Otto von Bludd wrote:
So...how about LR annihilators with double tap.

Screw them, Executioner pattern Russes! Uhnnnnn, it makes me excited to spew 2d6+2d3 plasma shots at targets.

Double-tapping (any "blast") turrets with Leman Russes is insane.

Especially when you start pairing this with things like the Mordian or Catachan regiment bonuses.

The point cost will really determine how much these units get played.

(Ahh.. re-rolling on mantiores and Wyverns. Who needs infantry, anyways!).

Razerous wrote:
Double-tapping (any "blast") turrets with Leman Russes is insane.

Especially when you start pairing this with things like the Mordian or Catachan regiment bonuses.

The point cost will really determine how much these units get played.

(Ahh.. re-rolling on mantiores and Wyverns. Who needs infantry, anyways!).

Hopefully, not the enemy.

That is, hopefully for them.

It's great that the vehicles of the Guard are making a comeback.

Heads up, the Russ chassis has gone down to $122 base and the Heavy Weapon Team model has for from 4 to 6 before weapons.

What?

Kinda looks like someones claiming to have a leak. I'm not gonna put much stock into until I see screen shots, but I think Heavy weapons going up 2 point per model would be pretty fair. 4 points was a bit of a head scratcher.

Cannot wait for the codex. Its shaping up to be amazing.

 jifel wrote:
Heads up, the Russ chassis has gone down to $122 base and the Heavy Weapon Team model has for from 4 to 6 before weapons.

Got a source on that? If it's true then Russes just got buffed back into the meta.

 Zuri Prime wrote:

 jifel wrote:
Heads up, the Russ chassis has gone down to $122 base and the Heavy Weapon Team model has for from 4 to 6 before weapons.

Got a source on that? If it's true then Russes just got buffed back into the meta.

Source is an army list posted by frontline gaming. Reece, who is one of the playtesters for 8th, posted his army list (specified that it is from the new codex) and the two costs I mentioned above are in it. I dont have any special access myself, just combing for leaks. It's also worth noting that there is a new Psychic power called Nightshroud (which is apparently good enough to take on both of the psykers he is using, in even in matched play), a relic called Laurels of Victory and a Warlord trait called Grand Strategist. What these do, I can't say.

Looked over the new Mordian rules, +1BS to infantry units where every model is in base contact with another.

It just occurred to me, hyper accurate snipers and/heavy weapons teams in Veteran squads.

Also with the +1BS to vehicles, maybe I'll have a reason to use my Vanquishers again (I have an irrational liking for that particular Russ variant.)

Could get interesting.

 Cothonian wrote:
Looked over the new Mordian rules, +1BS to infantry units where every model is in base contact with another.

It just occurred to me, hyper accurate snipers and/heavy weapons teams in Veteran squads.

Also with the +1BS to vehicles, maybe I'll have a reason to use my Vanquishers again (I have an irrational liking for that particular Russ variant.)

Could get interesting.

Only in Overwatch, yes?

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Cothonian wrote:
Looked over the new Mordian rules, +1BS to infantry units where every model is in base contact with another.

It just occurred to me, hyper accurate snipers and/heavy weapons teams in Veteran squads.

Also with the +1BS to vehicles, maybe I'll have a reason to use my Vanquishers again (I have an irrational liking for that particular Russ variant.)

Could get interesting.

Only in Overwatch, yes?

...and there goes my amazing plan of excellence. Yeah I misread that, it did seem too good to be true.

 Cothonian wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Cothonian wrote:
Looked over the new Mordian rules, +1BS to infantry units where every model is in base contact with another.

It just occurred to me, hyper accurate snipers and/heavy weapons teams in Veteran squads.

Also with the +1BS to vehicles, maybe I'll have a reason to use my Vanquishers again (I have an irrational liking for that particular Russ variant.)

Could get interesting.

Only in Overwatch, yes?

...and there goes my amazing plan of excellence. Yeah I misread that, it did seem too good to be true.

It's okay! Don't lose your enthusiasm! Guard are getting a fun codex full of fluffy rules! We need as many bayonets at the front as we can get too because the hate is going to come flying in thicker than Ork artillery.

Oh yeah! The little they've released already is just genuinely cool, I am really looking forward to further developments.

Overwatching on a 5 up is fething insane. A russ double shooting hitting on 5s, is gonna blow chunks out of chargers

stratigo wrote:
Overwatching on a 5 up is fething insane. A russ double shooting hitting on 5s, is gonna blow chunks out of chargers

From my understanding, you only get to double tap in your shooting phase, not on overwatch.

Correct, it says next shooting phase. And overwatch does not take place during that time frame.

Not sure how I feel about Vostroyan rules. 6" extra range is certainly nothing to complain about! But I'd just rather use Catachan rules, plus that was my first army and I have tons of Catachans and even my paint scheme on my Cadians could easily represent Catachans.

It's too bad their order can't be used on vehicles though, considering Get Back in the Fight will generally be a better option for infantry.

Could be useful in edge cases where you can't fall back or really don't want to, though. It is better than Fix Bayonets (2 extra lasgun shots vs 1 extra melee attack) in most situations, especially if the squad has any special weapons.

I'm hoping we'll see an expansion of tank orders. Or at least the ability to give those orders to Hellhounds.

 ChargerIIC wrote:
I'm hoping we'll see an expansion of tank orders. Or at least the ability to give those orders to Hellhounds.

If I had my 'druthers, Tank Commanders would cost (X) points or whatever, and then you could pick a tank for them. So a Hellhound could be chosen as the Tank Commander's vehicle, and that would allow him to give orders to Hellhounds. Conversely, a Baneblade, or a Basilisk, or whatever.


This would enable the ability for a player to choose which type of vehicle their Armoured/Artillery/Fast Attack regiment specialized in.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:
I'm hoping we'll see an expansion of tank orders. Or at least the ability to give those orders to Hellhounds.

If I had my 'druthers, Tank Commanders would cost (X) points or whatever, and then you could pick a tank for them. So a Hellhound could be chosen as the Tank Commander's vehicle, and that would allow him to give orders to Hellhounds. Conversely, a Baneblade, or a Basilisk, or whatever.


This would enable the ability for a player to choose which type of vehicle their Armoured/Artillery/Fast Attack regiment specialized in.

That would be nice. I have 5 hellhounds/devil dogs and two leman russes. It's annoying that the hellhounds can't get any support outside of the salamander vehicle, which isn't even being produced by anyone right now.

 ChargerIIC wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:
I'm hoping we'll see an expansion of tank orders. Or at least the ability to give those orders to Hellhounds.

If I had my 'druthers, Tank Commanders would cost (X) points or whatever, and then you could pick a tank for them. So a Hellhound could be chosen as the Tank Commander's vehicle, and that would allow him to give orders to Hellhounds. Conversely, a Baneblade, or a Basilisk, or whatever.


This would enable the ability for a player to choose which type of vehicle their Armoured/Artillery/Fast Attack regiment specialized in.

That would be nice. I have 5 hellhounds/devil dogs and two leman russes. It's annoying that the hellhounds can't get any support outside of the salamander vehicle, which isn't even being produced by anyone right now.

The Trojan could, to be fair, but it's really not worth it for anything smaller than a Russ sadly.

 ChargerIIC wrote:
I have 5 hellhounds/devil dogs and two leman russes. It's annoying that the hellhounds can't get any support outside of the salamander vehicle....

Did you say you have 5 Catachan Hellhounds?

What would a Hellhound use re-rolls to hit on though, its storm bolter? All its weapons auto-hit. I guess it'd be useful on the devil dog at least.

It would be nice to have more than three tank orders though, and the ability to issue them to any tank.

I am so excited about Leman Russes. They've been below the grade for so many editions, by a little or a lot, but it seems they're finally going to come into their own. My tank regiment is pleased.

 ross-128 wrote:
What would a Hellhound use re-rolls to hit on though, its storm bolter? All its weapons auto-hit. I guess it'd be useful on the devil dog at least.

It would be nice to have more than three tank orders though, and the ability to issue them to any tank.

Catachan regiment bonus;

Brutal Strength
When rolling die for weapons which have a random number of *attacks*, you can re-roll one dice.

Works great on double-tapping LRBT BC and auto-hitting Hellhounds. Also good on Manticores and Wyverns. Less good with Basilisks.

Razerous wrote:

 ross-128 wrote:
What would a Hellhound use re-rolls to hit on though, its storm bolter? All its weapons auto-hit. I guess it'd be useful on the devil dog at least.

It would be nice to have more than three tank orders though, and the ability to issue them to any tank.

Catachan regiment bonus;

Brutal Strength
When rolling die for weapons which have a random number of *attacks*, you can re-roll one dice.

Works great on double-tapping LRBT BC and auto-hitting Hellhounds. Also good on Manticores and Wyverns. Less good with Basilisks.

I'd argue it's still good on Basilisks. 2D6 pick the highest rerolling the lowest will make them a super consistent weapon. Though the fact this doesn't work on Earthshaker platforms is kind of a bummer.

So far Catachan is looking like my go to, re-rolling the D6 is going to be crazy on a lot of weapons.

The S4 is the icing on the cake, my Meched up infantry squads will be nothing to sneeze at when they're clearing and holding objectives.


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Edit, now looking at Vostroyan, anyone think the regimental ability will extend to Punisher Cannons and Multi Meltas? Could be some potential there.

All 3 bonuses look fun so far. I hope they do special characters for every regiment, in balanced numbers.

It was really annoying to see how many Ultramarines special characters there are, and then most of the other chapters get just one.

RogueApiary wrote:

Razerous wrote:

 ross-128 wrote:
What would a Hellhound use re-rolls to hit on though, its storm bolter? All its weapons auto-hit. I guess it'd be useful on the devil dog at least.

It would be nice to have more than three tank orders though, and the ability to issue them to any tank.

Catachan regiment bonus;

Brutal Strength
When rolling die for weapons which have a random number of *attacks*, you can re-roll one dice.

Works great on double-tapping LRBT BC and auto-hitting Hellhounds. Also good on Manticores and Wyverns. Less good with Basilisks.

I'd argue it's still good on Basilisks. 2D6 pick the highest rerolling the lowest will make them a super consistent weapon. Though the fact this doesn't work on Earthshaker platforms is kind of a bummer.

Why can't it work on Earthshakers? They're "vehicles", and can be Catachan.

Edit: Sorry, Earthshaker CARRIAGES are vehicles, whereas the regular ones aren't. Hmmm... would an extra 9pts per Earthshaker be worthwhile in exchange for gaining the Catachan shooting buff?