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Sautekh is a straight upgrade from viorla. Mephrit would've been really nice to have, too.

Necrons =/= tau, and they are coming from way further back. I sincerely hope they'll fix that army.

For tau, I don't understand the QQ. From what we've seen, we can make a myriad of different playstyles work, from gunline, to much to aggressive lists.

We have one of the best brigades in the game, with 0 tax units and many viable options in every slot. Great deployment tricks and in the coldstar we have the single best unit in the game. I'm happy it's 0-1 for commander because I wouldn't want to play vs 8 coldstars + drone swarm and this way we'll have a really cool unit on the table.

So based off rumors, leaks, and previews, it appears I will be trying out an elite, small number army for my 2000 point army.

Coldstar - x4 fusion

Riptide - HBC, SMS, ATS, Stimulant
Riptide - HBC, SMS, ATS, Stimulant

Ghostkeel - CIR, BC, Shield Generator, ATS
Ghostkeel - CIR, BC, Shield Generator, ATS
Ghostkeel - CIR, BC, Shield Generator, ATS

Broadside - HYMP, SMS, Shield Generator
Broadside - HYMP, SMS, Shield Generator

SS - BC, Pulse Driver Cannon, ATS, Shield Generator, Stimulant Injector

notredameguy10 wrote:
So based off rumors, leaks, and previews, it appears I will be trying out an elite, small number army for my 2000 point army.

Coldstar - x4 fusion

Riptide - HBC, SMS, ATS, Stimulant
Riptide - HBC, SMS, ATS, Stimulant

Ghostkeel - CIR, BC, Shield Generator, ATS
Ghostkeel - CIR, BC, Shield Generator, ATS
Ghostkeel - CIR, BC, Shield Generator, ATS

Broadside - HYMP, SMS, Shield Generator
Broadside - HYMP, SMS, Shield Generator

SS - BC, Pulse Driver Cannon, ATS, Shield Generator, Stimulant Injector

1 Stimulant injectors no longer exsist in the Codex.
2 your going to be very limited on CP's with that list.

 Fruzzle wrote:
Necrons =/= tau, and they are coming from way further back. I sincerely hope they'll fix that army.

For tau, I don't understand the QQ. From what we've seen, we can make a myriad of different playstyles work, from gunline, to much to aggressive lists.

We have one of the best brigades in the game, with 0 tax units and many viable options in every slot. Great deployment tricks and in the coldstar we have the single best unit in the game. I'm happy it's 0-1 for commander because I wouldn't want to play vs 8 coldstars + drone swarm and this way we'll have a really cool unit on the table.

If the Coldstar is the issue, why not just limit the Coldstar?

Or, not buff the coldstar in such an absurd manner to begin with, that was also an option.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Or, not buff the coldstar in such an absurd manner to begin with, that was also an option.

Agreed. Even if it just had two BS2+ fusion blasters it would still be a damn good weapons platform.

Ice_can wrote:

notredameguy10 wrote:
So based off rumors, leaks, and previews, it appears I will be trying out an elite, small number army for my 2000 point army.

Coldstar - x4 fusion

Riptide - HBC, SMS, ATS, Stimulant
Riptide - HBC, SMS, ATS, Stimulant

Ghostkeel - CIR, BC, Shield Generator, ATS
Ghostkeel - CIR, BC, Shield Generator, ATS
Ghostkeel - CIR, BC, Shield Generator, ATS

Broadside - HYMP, SMS, Shield Generator
Broadside - HYMP, SMS, Shield Generator

SS - BC, Pulse Driver Cannon, ATS, Shield Generator, Stimulant Injector

1 Stimulant injectors no longer exsist in the Codex.
2 your going to be very limited on CP's with that list.

Unless they release a FAQ, stimulant injectors are still usable. Anything that was in the Index, but not the Codex uses the Index version. Space marines, Chaos, and I think Eldar all use this ruling.

I always read that as meaning if the unit doesn't have an entry in the codex, but technically your right I keep forgetting that they faq'd it the dumbest way to include options rather than only applying to units.
I can see alotnof people getting angry at some of the busted options it gives tau, though why they had to steel our stim injectors for a poor stratageum

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
Or, not buff the coldstar in such an absurd manner to begin with, that was also an option.

Agreed. Even if it just had two BS2+ fusion blasters it would still be a damn good weapons platform.

Word. I don't think it's too much to claim the quad fusion coldstar is one of the best units in the game. I'm not sure what made GW rule on them so favorably, but I'm okay with it, given the 1 per detachment limit!

Because GW starts making HQ to beatsticks instead of Leaders with orders and actual buffs.

Look at Slamguinus from the Blood Angels. He has to deepstrike and doesnt move 20" or 40" but he hits like a LoW

I'm thinking of options for buffmander to stand next to my firebase but I'm not sure if it's worth it or should I just use three quadfusion suits. The stratagem prevents the commander from shooting so something like missile pod commander surely isn't worth it.

My coldstar is the only suit that's not magnetized, so maybe I'll use that with its regular load out. Could use his mobility for late game objective grabs if/ when I run out of cp.

Any thoughts?

MilkmanAl wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
Or, not buff the coldstar in such an absurd manner to begin with, that was also an option.

Agreed. Even if it just had two BS2+ fusion blasters it would still be a damn good weapons platform.

Word. I don't think it's too much to claim the quad fusion coldstar is one of the best units in the game. I'm not sure what made GW rule on them so favorably, but I'm okay with it, given the 1 per detachment limit!

Same reason that they introduced separate rules for commanders in XV8 suits to those in XV85 armour. To sell Commander kits.

Previously there was little reason to actually buy a commander kit, unless you wanted the official parts for CIBs or Frags rather than kitbashing your own out of spare weapons from the crisis kit.

Same logic applied to space marine characters though.

You got the commander model because it looked snazzy.

Winters SEO review is up on youtube nothing much we didn't already know. Lots of images from the codex, he got somethings wrong about options but on well.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Same logic applied to space marine characters though.

You got the commander model because it looked snazzy.

You will have a hard time arguing with tourney organizers and anyone who is stricter with WYSIWYG. Good luck explaining why your XV8 Crisis suit is supposed to be using the regular or even Coldstar Commander profile rather than the new XV8 one.

Could anyone quickly clue me in to where the Codex discussion started in this thread? Maybe not the earliest possible leaks, but where the conversation became based on complete Sept Tenets and/or reliable points costs and build strategies? Thinking about Tau for my next faction and I don't want to get mired in Index details that arent relevant. Thanks!

How does this loadout sound like for a Commander?

Commander in XV86 Coldstar Battle Suit
Farsight Enclaves
Exemplar of Mont'ka
2x Fusion Blasters - Fusion Blade Signature System
Shield Generator
Drone Controller(Not sure what type of drone)

This is my only Tau model. I just want to theorize his loadout

Looks like codex talk started roughly on page 58 or so. Anything from there on should be current info and thoughts.

So...I've got a little free time today, so it's high time to formulate some list ideas! I'll make a few assumptions along the way, but everything should be workable. First up is an attempt at a more balanced Fire Warrior spam list.

Tau Brigade
Coldstar - 4 fusions - 174
2 Fireblades - 84
3 Firesight Marksmen - 72
3x5 Pathfinders - 3 ion rifles, pulse accelerator drone- 180
3 Hammerheads - ion cannon, 2 SMS - 495
6x5 Fire Warriors - 210 1215
2 Gun Drones for each Commander - 72
5 Gun Drones, 1 shield - 70

Tau Battalion x2
Coldstar - 4 fusions - 174
Fireblade - 42
3x5 Fire Warriors - 105

1999 total
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And a less-balanced but probably still pretty effective approach:

Tau Battalion
Coldstar - 4 fusions - 174
Fireblade - 42
5x10 Fire Warriors - 350
5 Devilfish - 2 SMS, BC - 590
5 Gun Drones - 60
5 Marker Drones - 50
1266

Borkan Battalion
Coldstar - 4 fusions - 174
Fireblade - 42
Y'Vahra - ATS - 413
3x5 FW - 105

734
2000 total
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Also, Ion Pathfinder spam, because they're awesome:

Borkan Battalion:
Coldstar - 4 fusions - 174
Fireblade - 42
3x5 FW - 105
3x5 Pathfinders - 3 ion rifles - 156
2 Riptides - HBC, 2 SMS, 2 ATS, 1 VT - 546

Borkan Outrider x2
Coldstar - 4 fusions - 174
6x5 Pathfinder - 3 ion rifles - 312

1995

I would not say 45 fire warriors is spam to be fair! I think kroot are still going to be a thing. Cheap enough screen that most armies need.

The coldstar in general looks very tasty. No wonder it is 1 per detachment.

Well, it's 60 FW in that first list (2 Battalions), but you can certainly argue that's not spam either! It's just tough to get a whole ridiculous load of them due to max squad sizes. Even a Brigade only allows 120 of them, at the absolute most. Maybe I should play around with that a little.

So yeah, let's try again!

Tau Brigade
Coldstar - 4 fusions - 174
2 Fireblades - 84
3 Firesight Marksmen - 72
3x5 Pathfinders - 3 ion rifles, pulse accelerator drone - 180
3 Hammerheads - ion cannon, 2 SMS - 495
11x10 Fire Warriors - 770

Tau Patrol
Coldstar - 4 fusions - 174
7 Fire Warriors - 49

1998

117 FW seems a little more spammy!

All the lists look like fun. I only wish I had more ion pathfinders to try that one out.

Do you think the ionheads will be better than missilesides?

 BoomWolf wrote:

You got the commander model because it looked snazzy.

Guilty

Dandelion wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:

You got the commander model because it looked snazzy.

Guilty

it's why I got mine. Zero intent to get anymore Tau. I just like that model. I was going to build it as a Coldstar even before the Fusion Blaster became an option. I like the Airborne Commander with a ton of speed. Now I just need to get another Fusion Blaster and I will be set.

So, even with the points drop it seems like Razorsharks are junk. I so badly want it not to be junk, but it's still junk. Too few shots, crappy AP value, and the base hull is still expensive. Changing the quad ion gun to Assault is an interesting choice considering that it basically gets Strafing Run, so hitting non-FLY models on 2's. Just too few shots to matter.

The skyray has a velocity tracker standard now. Pretty sure it didn’t before? Does that make it viable..

 Bryan01 wrote:
The skyray has a velocity tracker standard now. Pretty sure it didn’t before? Does that make it viable..

Makes it frickin strong against fliers. They are all T7 anyway, so you have six missiles hitting on 3+ and wounding on 3+ turn 1, should down even a stormraven or reduce it to insignificance.

Also 2+ against anything that flies and doesn't have a to hit modifier means that it will get rekt as all you need is two markerlights on target and you are basically auto-hitting with all 6 missiles.

One more reason I consider the Skyray a viable choice now. Sure, it won't be doing that much past turn 1, but it still has the markerlighting power of two Firesight Marksmen (so great for starting markerlight chains in addition to your Fireblades) and will either be able to support the backfield with SMS or charge and block anything that threatens nearby objectives or Broadsides/Riptides/Stormsurges/other pricy backfield units.

Coldstar is now our god’s gift.

Can’t wait to field them and make the imperium player cry.

Do we have confirmation that coldstars can take any weapon? I thought the rumor was they couldn't take ion blasters, but in the reviews so far no one has mentioned it. I think quad ion will be just as viable as quad fusion.

Yes we have.

Other thing: People start mixing different septs, but isn't this the same like fielding Ultramarines with imperial fists?
I think fluff wise an army should come from 1 sept only.
In tournaments you can bring any super friends list, I don't care about those