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We play as written local with this. Gk are already on the struggle bus, why make them struggle more?

What is the best delivery system for a Paladin Squad? I just got a 10 man Paladin Squad with banner and Apothecary?

Gate of Infinity Id say.

Yeah Gate seems strong though I would like to run a banner ancient with them as well but maybe those are just too expensive.

Problem is the the paladins will arrive peicemeal apart from the banner and apocathary since they are 3 different units ... Goi paladins ahead and the apoc and ancient stay behind or stay in reserves. 10 paladins un supported are still good and a threat that has to be dealt with. Next turn the apoc and ancient gate or teleport strike in.

Not an easy problem to solve. Rhinos make them more expensive. Razorbacks are too small. Land raiders are meh. Stormravens will get shot down.

For sure, I've had good luck Gating them. Could put either the Apothecary or banner in DS, keep the other on the table. Rally on turn 2, and smash something.

Anyone brought inquisitor eisenhorn alongside their greyknights? I want to do it just for the lolz of bringing a demon to fight alongside the grey knights.

Any rumors to updates on Grey Knights for Chapter Approved 2018?

 Smotejob wrote:
Anyone brought inquisitor eisenhorn alongside their greyknights? I want to do it just for the lolz of bringing a demon to fight alongside the grey knights.

That's actually the only reason I haven't played him with them. The model is great, and he has decent rules.


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BillyN831 wrote:
Any rumors to updates on Grey Knights for Chapter Approved 2018?

No, but I'm nearly certain it will in someway nerf GK. Every rules change in 8th has hindered GK at least slightly. Which is honestly about the only thing I don't like about this edition lol.

 Homeskillet wrote:

No, but I'm nearly certain it will in someway nerf GK. Every rules change in 8th has hindered GK at least slightly. Which is honestly about the only thing I don't like about this edition lol.

Looking at the current nerf progression suffered by this army I'm expecting something like:

Brotherhood of nerfed psykers:

Every roll made by a unit with the Grey Knights keyword counts as a natural 1 except if this roll is a battle shock test or a result to see if a vehicle explode. In this case the roll count as a natural 6.

It's because of that I'm beginning to stock rhinos as probably the only viable way to play grey knights after CA will be rhino spam and throw them at the face of the opponent looking forward to those explosions, at least till the next faq after CA 2018 where probably also this will get nerfed...

Just joking, I still have faith on that GW will fix grey knights in CA so I'm keeping my savings for when CA comes along.

They've really just forgotten the army exists, which is the main problem.

I'm expecting them to nerf falcions so I need to remodel my army.

Honestly, every model/unit needs work.

What I am hoping is fixes to space Marines happen and then trickle down to gk. Fixing the basic marine and Terminator will help. Across the board, Marines just die way too easy. Hoping for a fix to land raiders too

Honestly to make Falcions less autotake they'd need to be AP-1.

They don't need to nerf falchions. They just need to make the other options equally attractive.

Sword - +1 to Invuln Saves or 5++

Halberd - Strikes before charging units

Stave - Re-roll failed DtW tests

Something like that?

Damn I wish I played in 5th Ed.

Spartacus wrote:
Sword - +1 to Invuln Saves or 5++

Halberd - Strikes before charging units

Stave - Re-roll failed DtW tests

Something like that?

Damn I wish I played in 5th Ed.

Were nice. I still have a bunch of painted Halberds...

 Smotejob wrote:

Spartacus wrote:
Sword - +1 to Invuln Saves or 5++

Halberd - Strikes before charging units

Stave - Re-roll failed DtW tests

Something like that?

Damn I wish I played in 5th Ed.

Were nice. I still have a bunch of painted Halberds...

If warding staves gave a 2++ in CC again I think it would be a nice boost to our CC and make up for our units lacking invul saves but being tooled up to fight things that require them. I used to run 5-man squads of terminators with a stave and 4 hammers...take whatever nasty attacks on the chin and then annihilate the target with either S10 (hammerhand) or S8 instant death (force) attacks.

psipso wrote:
I would like to ask you which is in your opinion the 3 best "chaff" units that we got in a 100% GK army?

I mean whit that the units with the best relation tank vs points.

 Smotejob wrote:

Best tanks for points? A buffed grandmaster in a dk can take a lot of abuse. Paladins in cover can be hard to dislodge as well.

 Homeskillet wrote:

Also, I'd agree that NDKGM and Paladins are solid units. I've had very good luck in smaller events with them (more so with Paladins escorted by Voldus).

I have been making some mathammer about something related. Dunno if somebody has already done it. I've tried to look for it but I couldn't find it inside the humongous amount of posts in dakka dakka.

Often in the game, there are weapons that have a damage of d6 instead of a flat 3 damage. If it's 3 damage is straightforward that for instance to kill a model with 5 wounds you will need 2 hits. But what about with a d6 damage? how many hits on average will you need to kill a model of 5 wounds? How much will affect the randomized damage roll? I've run a couple of simulations and here is the list that I've got by the number of wounds of the target.



This place the paladins in the sweet spot in terms of wound count to tank d6 damage vs flat 3 damage, followed by terminators and the 6 wounds HQ's, meanwhile apothecaries, brotherhood champions, dreadnaughts and dragio are better taking flat 3 damage weapons. Which make sense.

Also as in the grey knight army, there is plenty of d3 damage weapons (a.k.a force weapons / psilencers) I've done the same thing for d3 instead:



If we compare it with the average 2 flat damage we found that d3 damage weapon is more efficient against odd wound count meanwhile flat 2 damage weapons are better again event wound counts. This make the damage profile of heavy psycanons and heavy incinerators kinda complementaries of the force weapons and psilencers.

The following is for a nemessis grate hammer kinda weapon, so this is d6 with a minimum of 3



Which always is better than a nemesis greatsword. So we pay the extra 5 points and the -1 to hit for it.

Finally in the case of melta like weapons (2d6 and pick the highest):



Which for wounds count > 3 is always better than a nemesis great hammer.

@psipso
This is actually one of the reasons (not to derail this thread) that custodes bikers are so good...4 wounds also makes you immune to Flat-3 damage weapons. I agree that paladins are pretty good in terms of tankiness, unfortunately due to their cost the sheer firepower from strikes makes up for the durability of the pallys. Really, what they need are better invul saves.

 greyknight12 wrote:
@psipso
This is actually one of the reasons (not to derail this thread) that custodes bikers are so good...4 wounds also makes you immune to Flat-3 damage weapons. I agree that paladins are pretty good in terms of tankiness, unfortunately due to their cost the sheer firepower from strikes makes up for the durability of the pallys. Really, what they need are better invul saves.

Actually want to do a custodes bike/ grey Knight conversion and pay the 1cp to have a unit of custodes as grey Knight paladin bikers. Will see what CA says about custodes bikers and points. Frustrated that custodes got what I wanted for grey knights.

I'm done. I'll paint them up and save them for apocalypse games, but I'm done with GK. Just got absolutely thrashed twice today, again. The codex is just terrible. I though I hated playing SM but at least I could lose with some pride and some fun then. Now it's just getting my arse kicked with no fun involved.

Sorry to hear. Those games are never fun. Still holding hope that CA helps. I can only do well against newer players or people who are unfamiliar with gk. No one likes big losses.

My grey knights are usually fielded as allies if I want a shot against a more experienced player. Or I just play kill team with them. They are a really beautiful kill team.


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Would grey knights be fixed or at least worth their cost if given +1w and +1a (+2a for Purifiers) across the board? (excluding some characters) ... Making PA 2w 2a (purifier has 3a), terminators 3w 3a and paladins 4w 4a.

Models would be more resilient to small arms but multi damage shots would still get thru.

Now there is a reason to take the other CC weapons as falcions lose there benefit on high attack models while Halberds and swords begin to shine.

Terminators would be tough to deal with and could go toe to toe with bigger targets. Paladins become Rock solid and reliable even against lascannon type fire. Apocathary goes farther in this army and becomes more worth bringing. Banner is still meh (have it give +1 invul instead?). GMNDK become less of an auto take but still good with rerolls aura. Strikes/interceptors can survive to put out storm bolter DPS for more than 1 turn.

This is a simple adjustment to implement too.

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
I'm done. I'll paint them up and save them for apocalypse games, but I'm done with GK. Just got absolutely thrashed twice today, again. The codex is just terrible. I though I hated playing SM but at least I could lose with some pride and some fun then. Now it's just getting my arse kicked with no fun involved.

Take it as a challenge and an opportunity to get even better. Every competitive match that you can win with the current grey knights tags you as a really good tactician. To win with a top tier army again grey knights is easy and requires almost no skills. To win with grey knights against a top tier army it requires an astonishing amount of skills hence an opportunity to bring you command skills to another level.

Whoever manages to win a tournament with this army before CA 2018 will become one of the most skilful warhammer 40K players of the history. You have till the release of CA 2018 to get this position

Besides of that grey knights are the purest of the purest. The incorruptibles. Don't let yourself get corrupt by a slaneesh daemon who offer more power if you swap to aeldari, drukhai, knights, am or another cheese faction. The emperor (who everybody knows dwells in GW HQ) protects. And will protect us with CA 2018... I hope...

psipso wrote:


Besides of that grey knights are the purest of the purest. The incorruptibles. Don't let yourself get corrupt by a slaneesh daemon who offer more power if you swap to aeldari, drukhai, knights, am or another cheese faction. The emperor (who everybody knows dwells in GW HQ) protects. And will protect us with CA 2018... I hope...

This brought a tear to my eye and joy to my heart. Emperor bless you.

psipso wrote:
Take it as a challenge and an opportunity to get even better.

There's being a skillful player and there's having two and a half of your four overcosted units wiped out on turn one by the brand spanking new ork buggy list. (not that I'd succumb to the temptations of the xeno or the heretic)

psipso wrote:
Whoever manages to win a tournament with this army before CA 2018 will become one of the most skilful warhammer 40K players of the history. You have till the release of CA 2018 to get this position

You almost got me there. Almost.

That was some good optimism.

Is a brother Champion worth in kill team?

At 108, he is steep for a 200pt game. I can either take 5 other gk with no upgrades or 4 with some upgrades.

 Smotejob wrote:
Is a brother Champion worth in kill team?

At 108, he is steep for a 200pt game. I can either take 5 other gk with no upgrades or 4 with some upgrades.

He's got a 2+/3++ at S6/T6 if you swap out his Psybolt for Iron Arm, which gives him back the +1 to wound he loses for going defensive.

I love the new poll for the thread. Only a couple of people are actually defending Crowe for whatever reason.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I love the new poll for the thread. Only a couple of people are actually defending Crowe for whatever reason.

The whole codex blows. Crowe actually does something useful and is cheap. D6 smite is useful. Crowe is situationally good (think how many ork boys he can kill) unlike most the codex which is just bad at all times.


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Honestly both crowe and brother captains need to move to the bad to medicore (per grey knights standards) and Landraiders, rhinos, and librarians into the unplayable category.