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2018/11/28 19:33:42
Subject: Re:8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Out of the Paladin, Terminator, and Strike Squad point reduction rumors, what would be the best unit in your opinion if true?
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2018/11/28 20:43:21
Subject: 8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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Strike Squads, if they are accurate on the point drops they seriously might become part of Imperial Soup.
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SHUPPET wrote:
wtf is this buddhist monk ascendant martial dice arts crap lol
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2018/11/28 21:18:48
Subject: 8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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Quickjager wrote:Strike Squads, if they are accurate on the point drops they seriously might become part of Imperial Soup.
Really they will all be viable with those kinds of drops.
A good mixture will do you well.
Going full terminator is also an option (this is how I played in 7th)
Paladins are now competitive with grots.
This could really be time for GK to get into the mix. Nothing would make me happier. I'd probably insantly go to GW and buy 200 $ worth of GK so I can trick out my army.
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2018/11/28 23:52:35
Subject: 8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Been Around the Block
So Cal
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Xenomancers wrote: Quickjager wrote:Strike Squads, if they are accurate on the point drops they seriously might become part of Imperial Soup.
Really they will all be viable with those kinds of drops.
A good mixture will do you well.
Going full terminator is also an option (this is how I played in 7th)
Paladins are now competitive with grots.
This could really be time for GK to get into the mix. Nothing would make me happier. I'd probably insantly go to GW and buy 200 $ worth of GK so I can trick out my army.
This would be SO dope. Terminators actually showing up and not being garbage? When was the last time this happened? 5th with redeemers??? Terminators are seriously among my most fave models.
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2018/11/29 00:13:29
Subject: 8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Radikus wrote: Xenomancers wrote: Quickjager wrote:Strike Squads, if they are accurate on the point drops they seriously might become part of Imperial Soup.
Really they will all be viable with those kinds of drops.
A good mixture will do you well.
Going full terminator is also an option (this is how I played in 7th)
Paladins are now competitive with grots.
This could really be time for GK to get into the mix. Nothing would make me happier. I'd probably insantly go to GW and buy 200 $ worth of GK so I can trick out my army.
This would be SO dope. Terminators actually showing up and not being garbage? When was the last time this happened? 5th with redeemers??? Terminators are seriously among my most fave models.
I wouldn't even say that. 4th edition Terminators with 2 Assault Cannons were when they were at their best (and that was mediocre at best).
At least this edition they're at their most durable.
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
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2018/11/29 09:31:52
Subject: 8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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7e GKT were rock solid, while Pallies were too expensive and Strikes too fragile. That was the last time GKT were tops, which wasn’t that long ago. And if either Pallies or Strikes were cheaper, those would have been better. That’s why points don’t balance GK, they just shift what’s good right now.
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“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world.”
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2018/11/29 11:06:42
Subject: 8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
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Quickjager wrote:26 point termies... a full 20 point drop? That is honestly insane from GW of all people.
*Doubt*
If true that means that I actually don't have enough terminators in my army though... which would be a GW move.
Well, 15 point drop; they already received a 5 point drop last Chapter Approved.
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2018/12/02 18:50:11
Subject: 8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Guarded Grey Knight Terminator
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More rumors coming in. Again salt to taste. Looks like landraiders are dropping about 40pts as well. Space marine terminators are being called out at 23pts. We may very well see 26gkt troops and reduced PAGK.
On the otherwise of the warp, sounds like occult terminators, rubrics Marines, greater demons and demon prince may be dropping in price too.
While we are getting a very nice bump, so are the denizens of the warp.
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2018/12/03 01:28:49
Subject: Re:8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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While its nice, I would much rather gain good abilities and remain a low model count elite army.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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2018/12/03 02:11:51
Subject: 8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Steadfast Ultramarine Sergeant
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Smotejob wrote:More rumors coming in. Again salt to taste. Looks like landraiders are dropping about 40pts as well. Space marine terminators are being called out at 23pts. We may very well see 26gkt troops and reduced PAGK.
On the otherwise of the warp, sounds like occult terminators, rubrics Marines, greater demons and demon prince may be dropping in price too.
While we are getting a very nice bump, so are the denizens of the warp.
If GKT are 26ppm (28ppm for stormbolter and force weapon, 41ppm for stormbolter and Daemon Hammer), that would be good.
To be fair, Rubric Marine and occult Termaintor should also get a points drop similar to Spacemarines, Greater Daemon os not so sure. But Daemon Prince shouldn't get a points drop. They are way too strong for their cost at the moment. Esoecially the Thousand Sons one.
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2018/12/03 15:38:14
Subject: Re:8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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Looking over some rumors again, I’m wondering what the price point is that taking terminators over strikes is (if termies are 26ppm)...15 ppm? 17ppm? Or if interceptors get a drop will committing to a full alpha strike still be the way to go?
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2018/12/03 17:28:20
Subject: 8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Damsel of the Lady
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Preview on Warhammer Community says Dreadknight Grandmasters received an (unspecified) points drop along with some other units. Long may Codex: Dreadknight reign!
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2018/12/03 20:06:24
Subject: 8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Guarded Grey Knight Terminator
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I hope the teleporter is also free. Stupid paying 10pts for that upgrade or if we do have to pay that, then give it the interceptor movement like it used to have. That 12" and a once a game shunt was awesome.
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"Glory in our suffering, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint"
-Paul of Tarsus
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2018/12/03 20:21:33
Subject: Re:8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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greyknight12 wrote:Looking over some rumors again, I’m wondering what the price point is that taking terminators over strikes is (if termies are 26ppm)...15 ppm? 17ppm? Or if interceptors get a drop will committing to a full alpha strike still be the way to go?
I think it really depends on how the psyker rules come out. If psychic locus stays and GK gets the equivalent of Smite Artillery, there's gonna be room for both.
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2018/12/05 17:36:37
Subject: 8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Hungry Little Ripper
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Shouldnt it also depend on wheter we want to take the improved survivablity of terminators into account? 2+ / 5++ save plus 2 wounds would mean they can survive a bit longer then strikes
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2018/12/05 18:20:32
Subject: 8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter
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Here's my list idea with the rumored points. I swapped all my GKSS for GKT since I don't know what the PAGK will cost. I assumed GKI are the same (although they might drop 1-2ppm). I assumed a slight decrease on the GMDK (I expect a greater decrease); and that Pals would be marginally more expensive than Termies (at 10ppm more for that extra wound and attack). That list is 1991. I would like to squeeze hammers onto all the Justicars.
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2018/12/05 18:49:34
Subject: 8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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FFridge wrote:Shouldnt it also depend on wheter we want to take the improved survivablity of terminators into account? 2+ / 5++ save plus 2 wounds would mean they can survive a bit longer then strikes
In practice it doesn't account for much given the prevalence of 2 damage weapons, and save modifiers also really cut down on the value of 2+ armor. Terminators still die in droves.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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2018/12/05 20:40:58
Subject: 8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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Grey Templar wrote: FFridge wrote:Shouldnt it also depend on wheter we want to take the improved survivablity of terminators into account? 2+ / 5++ save plus 2 wounds would mean they can survive a bit longer then strikes
In practice it doesn't account for much given the prevalence of 2 damage weapons, and save modifiers also really cut down on the value of 2+ armor. Terminators still die in droves.
Pretty much this.
What are people pointing at Terminators? Plasma, Dissies, Autocannons, Ion, etc. D2 weapons were given too freely.
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SHUPPET wrote:
wtf is this buddhist monk ascendant martial dice arts crap lol
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2018/12/06 02:01:54
Subject: 8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Guarded Grey Knight Terminator
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Elric Greywolf wrote:Here's my list idea with the rumored points. I swapped all my GKSS for GKT since I don't know what the PAGK will cost. I assumed GKI are the same (although they might drop 1-2ppm).
I assumed a slight decrease on the GMDK (I expect a greater decrease); and that Pals would be marginally more expensive than Termies (at 10ppm more for that extra wound and attack).
That list is 1991.
I would like to squeeze hammers onto all the Justicars.
I bet interceptors and voldus will all be cheaper as well.
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"Glory in our suffering, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint"
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2018/12/06 10:48:37
Subject: 8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Been Around the Block
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Smotejob wrote: Elric Greywolf wrote:Here's my list idea with the rumored points. I swapped all my GKSS for GKT since I don't know what the PAGK will cost. I assumed GKI are the same (although they might drop 1-2ppm).
I assumed a slight decrease on the GMDK (I expect a greater decrease); and that Pals would be marginally more expensive than Termies (at 10ppm more for that extra wound and attack).
That list is 1991.
I would like to squeeze hammers onto all the Justicars.
I bet interceptors and voldus will all be cheaper as well.
I agree.
But the survivability of Terminator is still poor and probably with 17-19 points PAGK we'll keep see only them on the field. Otherwise we would see primaries everywhere.
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2018/12/06 13:25:35
Subject: 8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Guarded Grey Knight Terminator
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Just thinking if the rumor of strike squads of 15ish pts holds true, then I'd bet interceptors go to 19pts. If true that will save your list about 120pts.
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"Glory in our suffering, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint"
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2018/12/06 15:06:19
Subject: 8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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According to the rumor I saw these are the new point costs for various models:
Draigo 200, Crowe 75, Interceptors 17, LR Redeemers 180, Strikers 16. All are base costs.
I can't recall what the drop in points were for the other LRs and twin LC dropped to 40 points.
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2018/12/06 17:16:04
Subject: 8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Stalwart Strike Squad Grey Knight
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New stratagem for Adepta Sororitas:
1CP — All storm bolters in the infantry unit are AP-2 and 2 Dmg until the end of the phase.
So if CA doesn't change GK's similar 2CP stratagem "Psybolt Ammunition" I'll be very sad. Sure, the GK stratagem affects "all" bolter-type guns in the targeted unit, but it only gives +1 Strength and -1 AP. That's laughable.
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2018/12/06 19:35:51
Subject: 8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Guarded Grey Knight Terminator
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Ours should be 1cp. I like the +1 str. It is useful against t4,5, & 8 targets, which is a lot of targets. Ours should be 1cp tho.
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Up the cp to 3 and make it an army wide buff.
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"Glory in our suffering, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint"
-Paul of Tarsus
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2018/12/06 20:18:06
Subject: 8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Stalwart Strike Squad Grey Knight
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Smotejob wrote:Ours should be 1cp. I like the +1 str. It is useful against t4,5, & 8 targets, which is a lot of targets. Ours should be 1cp tho.
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Up the cp to 3 and make it an army wide buff.
Agreed on making it 1CP. But now even if they do that I still might be a little salty — at 1CP the two stratagems still wouldn't be close to equal.
Besides the fact that Sisters' stratagem is an extra -1 AP, I'd say +1 Dmg is far better than the +1 Strength ours gives. Both are situational — Sisters' against multi-wound targets and GK against T4,T5, &T8 targets. Against their ideal targets, though, the +1 Dmg is guaranteed to matter whereas +1 Strength will only come into play if you roll certain numbers (3's vs. T4, 4's vs. T5, or 5's vs. T8). Strength in 8th Ed. has always struggled to compete with other stats.
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2018/12/06 23:56:19
Subject: 8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Guarded Grey Knight Terminator
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How many storm bolters can a sister squad get in a squad?
I don't play sisters, but looking at battlescribe, a dominion squad can take 5 total? And regular can take 3 total?
Going to make dominion squads nasty. And if they can still shoot twice in a phase then wow that's rough.
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"Glory in our suffering, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint"
-Paul of Tarsus
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2018/12/07 12:55:33
Subject: 8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Smotejob wrote:How many storm bolters can a sister squad get in a squad?
I don't play sisters, but looking at battlescribe, a dominion squad can take 5 total? And regular can take 3 total?
Going to make dominion squads nasty. And if they can still shoot twice in a phase then wow that's rough.
If Dominions are going SBs, they're by definition not going Melta, which is (at present at least) the only real AT that an SoB force has.
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2018/12/07 16:56:10
Subject: 8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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Reductions were literally 3-6 points for non-HQs. Gonna update the front page for people not hold their breath on this army becoming anything more than plastic disappointment.
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SHUPPET wrote:
wtf is this buddhist monk ascendant martial dice arts crap lol
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2018/12/07 17:03:44
Subject: 8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Been Around the Block
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Either Im misreading this or those have to be fake
how can the GMNDK be almost the same price as the regular NDK
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2018/12/07 17:46:29
Subject: 8th Ed. Grey Knight Tactica Discussion - Mathhammer Pg. 9
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Damsel of the Lady
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Yeah, terminators are 39 without wargear now, which is a drop, but Space Marine terminators went down to, like, 23. So we pay about 16 points for the privilege of being Psykers.
(Oh and we get worse leadership cause GW says we're not veterans)
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