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I've actually got a nice little psychic bomb I like and used for a while. It's a bro-capt (I even use stern here) with purge soul and ancient with banner of flame. They both teleport strike and start dealing mortal wounds. Banner of flame+purge soul (with+1 leadership from banner)+smite (if stern). I've had these two swing games.

Not uncommon for them to wipe squads. I don't built a list without them.

I'm not sure why a Brother Captain is 5 points more than Brother Captain Stern, when Stern can cast two powers while the regular BC can only cast 1. X_X Do you think it's because the regular one is a better platform for special weapons?

Fun battle report, if you have Facebook and can view it: https://www.facebook.com/groups/185402052000929/permalink/584798665394597/

The new Inquisition is, overall, a disappointment. No DCA, no Crusaders, no fun grenades. Jokaeros are a single model unit, although they are only 18pts.

However, you can slot a single Inquisitor into your list and it doesn’t break CT or battle-forged.
For 1CP, after an enemy Character is destroyed within 3” of your Inquisition unit, gain d3 CP, and all enemy Ld is -1 for the remainder of the battle.
You can also spend 1CP pre-game to give that Inquisitor a WL trait (if he isn’t your WL) and a relic (if he isn’t a named character already).
Coteaz is 90pts, his trait is, “Know and cast an extra power; deny an extra time.” He can base cast 2 deny 1. His special ability is “One time, make an opponent’s strat cost an additional CP, or else it can’t be played.” He gets reroll hits and wounds against CHAOS and DAEMON. For 1CP, he can give another unit reroll hits of 1 against those targets.
Eisenhorn+Daemonhost is 105pts, his trait is, “Once per round, reroll one of the following: hit, wound, damage, save, Psychic, or DtW.” He can cast 2 deny 2. His summoned Daemonhost is S6 T6 W6 A5 Character. When next to Eisenhorn, it gets WS3+ and 4++.

So which one would you take? The Daemonhost looks like a nice little midfield hunter, although it couldn’t do much against anything serious. Coteaz’s Spy Network ability could really mess up an opponent’s plan for his final two CP (now that Interrupt costs 3, and oh bummer you don’t have enough.)

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
The new Inquisition is, overall, a disappointment. No DCA, no Crusaders, no fun grenades. Jokaeros are a single model unit, although they are only 18pts.

However, you can slot a single Inquisitor into your list and it doesn’t break CT or battle-forged.
For 1CP, after an enemy Character is destroyed within 3” of your Inquisition unit, gain d3 CP, and all enemy Ld is -1 for the remainder of the battle.
You can also spend 1CP pre-game to give that Inquisitor a WL trait (if he isn’t your WL) and a relic (if he isn’t a named character already).
Coteaz is 90pts, his trait is, “Know and cast an extra power; deny an extra time.” He can base cast 2 deny 1. His special ability is “One time, make an opponent’s strat cost an additional CP, or else it can’t be played.” He gets reroll hits and wounds against CHAOS and DAEMON. For 1CP, he can give another unit reroll hits of 1 against those targets.
Eisenhorn+Daemonhost is 105pts, his trait is, “Once per round, reroll one of the following: hit, wound, damage, save, Psychic, or DtW.” He can cast 2 deny 2. His summoned Daemonhost is S6 T6 W6 A5 Character. When next to Eisenhorn, it gets WS3+ and 4++.

So which one would you take? The Daemonhost looks like a nice little midfield hunter, although it couldn’t do much against anything serious. Coteaz’s Spy Network ability could really mess up an opponent’s plan for his final two CP (now that Interrupt costs 3, and oh bummer you don’t have enough.)

Vect costing 5 CP. Hehehe.

New post up on Warhammer Community talking about CA2019 points costs. GK strike marines are coming down to 17 ppm “kitted” and terminators to 35 ppm. Nothing about any other changes.

Strikes at 17 points isn't the worst deal in the world. They still can't get anywhere though, and the heavy weapons suck as usual.

Well, we always take 3x5 strike squads for the battalion, right?so this actually benefits us greatly!
We might even find room to use terminators.
I welcome the change instead of bitching about it

Aeri wrote:
Well, we always take 3x5 strike squads for the battalion, right?so this actually benefits us greatly!
We might even find room to use terminators.
I welcome the change instead of bitching about it

For a 2000 points army, assuming that they won´t change the character points A battalion with 6 strike squads , a vanilla brother captain and a cheap tech-marine will cost less than 700 points and will be throwing 8 MW at 24".
Two battalions like this will be able the pop 16 MW each turn and will leave enough room to fit a lascanon landrider and two dakka ven dread. Leaving enough CP to do whatever we want.

But I´m thinking more on to have a double battalion with 2x5 strike man squad + 5 terminators + bro captain + techmarine which will leave almost 1000 spare points to play around and enough commands points to use a decent amount of times head the prognosticar, psibolt ammo and psi onslaught strats.

Also if we want to go all terminators, as they are troops, we will be able to drop 9 units of terminators in a double battalion delivering 13 MW per turn and still have 100 spare points to use, countering in this way the plasma spam with the terminator spam .

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Strikes at 17 points isn't the worst deal in the world. They still can't get anywhere though, and the heavy weapons suck as usual.

I'm still holding out hope for Psychic Awakening to give us something after seeing what blood angels got...

 greyknight12 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Strikes at 17 points isn't the worst deal in the world. They still can't get anywhere though, and the heavy weapons suck as usual.

I'm still holding out hope for Psychic Awakening to give us something after seeing what blood angels got...

Hoping in line with what other chapters are getting, like a second part to our "chapter tactic."
Hoping for access to combat doctrines. Devastator doctrine active, we can get 4x psilencers hitting at str 5 ap-2. That can chew through a lot. But tactical would be where we would shine with all those storm bolters being ap-1. Then talking psybolts, imaging 40 str 5 ap-2 bolter shots. That will threaten just about anything. That combined with the Terminator price, I may be tempted to bring a unit if 10.

And if blood angels got better at assault, I would assume gk get better at psychic.

Praying to the emperor that gw doesn't give us another anti demon thing.

I'm hoping for our chaplains to gain litanies, ones which are worthwhile at that. a man can dream.

CA points are out, finally got some love for our infantry!

I worked out a few point drops, there might be more that I missed.

Nemesis Dreadknight -30
GM Dreadknight -20
Dreadfist/Two Dreadfists -15/-20
Paladins -6
Interceptors -4
Strike Squad -5
Terminators -7
Purgation Squad -5
Purifier squad -5
Psilencer (terminator) -4
Psycannon (terminator) -4
Incinerator (terminator) -4

Those are all base costs so just add +1 to all infantry because every melee weapon now costs 1pt instead of 0 (probably +2 pts for falchions).

Next psychic awakening books has a grey knights-sounding name; that will be the real test.

Though the teaser shows the dark angels symbol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoF0m2pvvCw&t=0s

Thousand Sons, Grey Knights, Dark Angels. 2 traitor legions is new, but whatever

The Grandmaster didn't need a point drop. That just further devalues the other HQ units AND the regular Dreadknight itself.

 zangrya wrote:
CA points are out, finally got some love for our infantry!

I worked out a few point drops, there might be more that I missed.

Nemesis Dreadknight -30
GM Dreadknight -20
Dreadfist/Two Dreadfists -15/-20
Paladins -6
Interceptors -4
Strike Squad -5
Terminators -7
Purgation Squad -5
Purifier squad -5
Psilencer (terminator) -4
Psycannon (terminator) -4
Incinerator (terminator) -4

Those are all base costs so just add +1 to all infantry because every melee weapon now costs 1pt instead of 0 (probably +2 pts for falchions).

Not a bad move.
An infantry GK army could get 200 pts cheaper at the 2000 pts level.
I'll wait until battlescribe has been updated.

Another squad won't make a difference.

 Quickjager wrote:
Another squad won't make a difference.

Not much.
We need GKSS with 2 wounds per model.

 Quickjager wrote:
Another squad won't make a difference.

Probably not but giving up a lot less points is a Boon.

The army still needs a whole redesign though.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Quickjager wrote:
Another squad won't make a difference.

Probably not but giving up a lot less points is a Boon.

The army still needs a whole redesign though.

This won't happen anytime soon.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Quickjager wrote:
Another squad won't make a difference.

Not much.
We need GKSS with 2 wounds per model.

That would be insane and seriously going too far.

 Quickjager wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Quickjager wrote:
Another squad won't make a difference.

Not much.
We need GKSS with 2 wounds per model.

That would be insane and seriously going too far.

Not when you play actively GK.

I mean Purifiers would become.... below average I suppose.

I'm still angry they never gave Purifiers their A2 back.

 Quickjager wrote:
Another squad won't make a difference.

No, but we will have more firepower now. Can fit in more special weapons. Looking at the pts, I can squeeze almost 200 pts out of my list. That's one squad could be, with a little shuffling around, more threat saturation.

Also, our psychic Awakening book is around the corner, so expect some updates as well. I bet we get something akin to a second stat in our chapter tactic and access to our own unique doctrines at a minimum.

Would also expect to also see updates for the Chaplin as well which could make us more effective at getting into combat.

Yeah, I’ve said it before but ultimately our hope is in psychic awakening. The points cuts are nice, and do give us more firepower (another dreadnought, 40 more storm bolter shots, etc). It’s not insignificant, but it’s really going to come down to us getting other boosts to either our damage output or durability.

My secret, horrible fear is that we will get...The Psychic Doctrine! While in the psychic doctrine, we get +1 AP on our psychic powers, or something equally worthless. Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

This is something each 40k player should know.
I have no hopes whatsoever.

What is nice about these new prices is that a PAGK no long pay for heavy weapons on top of the storm bolter and weapons. Terminators heavy weapons are significantly more useful with heavy weapons as well. These are nice.

After hearing about all the buffs tyranids just received, I am now getting hopeful.