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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Scouts get to screen against enemy Deep Strikers much more effectively due to Infiltrate.

I'd rather use infiltrators.

Good for you. The question was "why Scouts over Tacticals" though.

The armor I suppose.

If marine players start giving up the loyal 32 I'm expecting we might start to see brigades. Scout bikes and tarantulas are cheap for fast attack along with whirlwinds and eliminators for HS.

Single HB Speeders for 55 points are I believe the cheapest non FW option in the FA role.

I have been running brigades with my marines for awhile now, this change of losing doctrines if your not 100% adeptus astartues is a good thing imo. Helps give a reason not to soup.

Attack bikes with a heavy bolter are 37 pts a model. Myself i take 3 man biker squads though, 69 pts puts out a lot of firepower


I would like to see if you lose the doctrines if you get an assassin though....

Azuza001 wrote:
I have been running brigades with my marines for awhile now, this change of losing doctrines if your not 100% adeptus astartues is a good thing imo. Helps give a reason not to soup.

Attack bikes with a heavy bolter are 37 pts a model. Myself i take 3 man biker squads though, 69 pts puts out a lot of firepower


I would like to see if you lose the doctrines if you get an assassin though....

It's been discussed but RAW yes even if you use the strategum.

Martel732 wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Scouts get to screen against enemy Deep Strikers much more effectively due to Infiltrate.

I'd rather use infiltrators.

Infiltrators can cover a lot of ground by themselves due to the math on a 12" barrier being significant compared to a 9" area. However you would have to keep in mind there are multiple areas on the table to cover. I can use Tarantula Sentry Heavy Bolters for some of that but not all.

As a guard player I'm happy to see HB attack bikes because the alternative is a real PITA. 71 point Bikes and scout bikes with a storm bolter put out an obnoxious amount of shots. IMO scout bikes are better against guard. I usually kill bikes with plasma so the 4+ save isn't a big deal, but the extra 2" move, shotgun, and combat knife make them a solid CC threat.

 schadenfreude wrote:
As a guard player I'm happy to see HB attack bikes because the alternative is a real PITA. 71 point Bikes and scout bikes with a storm bolter put out an obnoxious amount of shots. IMO scout bikes are better against guard. I usually kill bikes with plasma so the 4+ save isn't a big deal, but the extra 2" move, shotgun, and combat knife make them a solid CC threat.

Just a heads up but you can give a chainsword to normal bikers in exchange for their pistol now

And that Chainsword will actually do something compared to last edition.

I am so lost in regards to where to go with my marines now.
I don't have Gman, I have 10 intercessors, 5 hellblasters.

I have a bucket of old marines. Lots of sternguard. A pair of old drednaughts. Lots of drop pods. Lots of predators and razorbacks.

Sounds all very old at this point. Any point in trying to run them with the new dex?

 iGuy91 wrote:
I am so lost in regards to where to go with my marines now.
I don't have Gman, I have 10 intercessors, 5 hellblasters.

I have a bucket of old marines. Lots of sternguard. A pair of old drednaughts. Lots of drop pods. Lots of predators and razorbacks.

Sounds all very old at this point. Any point in trying to run them with the new dex?

Yes
predators now get chapter tactics
Tacs got cheaper
Razorbacks get chapter tactics apparently
Drop pods have some special rules which can be used for advantages.

For the sake of clarity could we start a new thread now that the new codex is imminent? In the future it will be super confusing when first 150 pages of the thread refer to rules that are no longer current.

Are we just not going to talk about the Teeth Of Terra Captain who can now get 9 Str 7 attacks at ap-2 2d?

ANd depending on traits can get exploding 6's or auto wounds on 6's to hit?

The teeth of Terra got a buff? That was the last weapon that needed a buff. What did it get?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
The teeth of Terra got a buff? That was the last weapon that needed a buff. What did it get?

It's now just flat +3 attacks instead of D3. And I'm even more salty that the Primaris can't take it.

 Crimson wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
The teeth of Terra got a buff? That was the last weapon that needed a buff. What did it get?

It's now just flat +3 attacks instead of D3. And I'm even more salty that the Primaris can't take it.

YOU GET A USELESS COMBAT BLADE!
YOU GET A USELESS COMBAT BLADE!
EVERYONE GETS A USELESS COMBAT BLADE!

Anyone know how all the various white dwarf and vigilus stuff works with the new codex? It seems like some of it got replicated in the new book, but not all of it. For example, the crimson fist relics from WD, or the IF siege detatchments.

Most likely when the faq comes out theyll address it. UNless it comes out in the wave of stuff theyre releasing to bring the non codex chapters up to date

 Crimson wrote:
For the sake of clarity could we start a new thread now that the new codex is imminent? In the future it will be super confusing when first 150 pages of the thread refer to rules that are no longer current.

my hope is to hold off until friday when people actually have the codex, until then it's mostly speculation.

When do all the supplements come out? Is it the same time as the SM Codex?

So is Burning Blade now D2 or not? I've heard conflicting reports...

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
So is Burning Blade now D2 or not? I've heard conflicting reports...

it is yes, I've seen the sheet in online reviews. a nice little bump

-chapter master strat is cheaper
-Chapter master strat allows re-rolls of everything irrespective of modifiers
-Heavy weapons get AP-1 round 1

How about running a cheap CM with 3 stalkers? 1 CP and 300pts would allow 13.5 hits per turn on ground targets at S7 AP-2 D2 shots. That equals around 6 damage per turn on a 5++ knight, which isn't shabby for the points invested.

They also bring a ton of wounds defensively, with 33 T7 3+ save wounds to chew through. I'd also throw a power fist on the CM to provide a brutal counter-charge if something decided to try and lock up the stalkers. Storm bolters on the stalkers also seem sensible as they re roll to hit.

And of course it is far stronger against flyers of any sort, downing a -2 flyer per turn with average dice, even if you don't use the fancy new skyfire strat.

Very tempted to add this little formation into a pure SM list. Whichever chapter tactic you choose is only icing on the cake, any individual one is non-essential. Iron hands and UM would both be decent though.

DO we know if the leviathan dreadnought is gonna have the Angels of Death keyword now? I've heard some people say it does, some that it doesn't


Also, what do you think the best chapter to run razorbacks and predators will be?

I mispoke earlier, I thought they were smart enough to future proof the rule by just blanket giving ALL adeptus astartes units AoD as a general army rule, but I was misreading the Combat Doctrine rule (which is part of AoD)
Looks like forgeworld will have to put out a FAQ to give all their units AoD, so who knows how long that will take. If GW is on their toes, they'll come out with day 1 PDFs like every other codex.

Another note with the Chapter Master strat, it targets the Captain keyword now, and not just the Captain datasheet. Primaris Chapter Masters, yay!

Or FW doesn't get AoD. That would be a way to let people down softly.

Even IF Leviathans don't get AoD, they're still dreadnoughts and can still be targeted by the half-damage strat for 1cp.
I'm legit worried about these things, as most marine players in my meta already seem to have at least one on deck.
Aside from bringing down the insanity of their double storm-cannons, I'm not sure how they can be balanced without invalidating them vs other dreads. They're a cool model and I love the idea of them.. but gzus they are absolutely on another level of lethality and durability to anything else in the game when they're buffed properly.

I'm just imagining Bray'Arth Ashmantle with the half damage strat.

With the points drop and wound buff, are Assault Centurions useful now?

I'm just imagining Bray'Arth Ashmantle with the half damage strat.

Urgh. Just try to stay out of his way and kill the rest of the army. What else can you do?

 iGuy91 wrote:
DO we know if the leviathan dreadnought is gonna have the Angels of Death keyword now? I've heard some people say it does, some that it doesn't

I would assume (read: hope) that when GW releases the PDF/FAQ giving Angels of Death rule to BA/DA/SW, they word it in a way that gives it to all ADEPTUS ASTARTES units. That would blanket even FW units without needing a FW FAQ

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