8th ed CHAOS tactica

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**anticitizen013**

I posted this in another thread but I managed to score a bunch of raptor bits and the old Khorne Berzerker FW kit, so once I get back from vacation I will be putting them all together. I have a good feeling about them! I'm really excited to get my 1500 point army finished... I think it will do well. Lots of choppy murder death! Bwahahha!

**Ir0njack**

Working on my Iron warriors an wanted some opinions for the "core" of my list I'm building

- Hellwright
- x2 Hellforged contemptor with dual hellclaw w/soul burner
- x2 10 man CSM sqads with plasma and rhino
- 20 man cultist squad
The hellwright and contemptors are expensive but I jut look at the soulburners and I just get a big grin

**Rydria**

How are other people using music of the apocalypse (noise marines) do you make 1 attack regardless of what weapon you use no matter how many shots it has ?

**Mazzyx**

Rydria wrote:
How are other people using music of the apocalypse (noise marines) do you make 1 attack regardless of what weapon you use no matter how many shots it has ?

Nope use the weapon profile. Sonic blasters are 3 shots. Pistols are 1. Blastmasters are your shot choice so d6 or d3. It is pretty straight forward in that you do a shooting attacking like the shooting phase.

**techsoldaten**

Rydria wrote:
How are other people using music of the apocalypse (noise marines) do you make 1 attack regardless of what weapon you use no matter how many shots it has ?

Would be using it more if I could remember to do so. Having a rule trigger when you are removing the model just feels unnatural on anything other than a tank.

**Rydria**

Mazzyx wrote:
Rydria wrote:
How are other people using music of the apocalypse (noise marines) do you make 1 attack regardless of what weapon you use no matter how many shots it has ?

Nope use the weapon profile. Sonic blasters are 3 shots. Pistols are 1. Blastmasters are your shot choice so d6 or d3. It is pretty straight forward in that you do a shooting attacking like the shooting phase.

That is what I thought someone in the best troop choice thread said it is just 1 shot regardless of weapon. So just wanted to make sure.

**lindsay40k**

Bluthusten wrote:
Hey guys,

I'm gonna try to build a list around Fabius Bile and a unit of 20 of his cruel test objects aka Possessed.

Main thing in this army would be:

-Alpha Legion-Batallion

Sorcerer with Jumppack (Tzeentch)
Prinz with Wings
3x10 Cultists
20 Possessed

-————
Chaos -Supreme Comand Detachement -

Changeling
Herold on disc
Fabius Bile

Changeling + Legiontrait gives the enemy -2 on hit, if he try's to shot our Possessed / Prinz.

Fabius gives his buff to the Possessed, Herald his +1str aura + Boon of change. Sorcerer gives them a 4++.

So what do you think about our "core"? What should I add to the list to become "competitive"

That all looks solid to me! As for additions... I would be thinking about a deep striker to divide the attention of screening units - we don't want the super-possessed to spend the game munching through cannon fodder, and something with decent long range. The Possessed suggest a couple of Elite units, with a HQ to get an extra CP. Perhaps some Slaaneshi Terminators or Chosen, and a Helbrute? Also - do you anticipate many objectives games, because those Cultists are not going to hold anything?

Ir0njack wrote:
Working on my Iron warriors an wanted some opinions for the "core" of my list I'm building

- Hellwright
- x2 Hellforged contemptor with dual hellclaw w/soul burner
- x2 10 man CSM sqads with plasma and rhino
- 20 man cultist squad
The hellwright and contemptors are expensive but I jut look at the soulburners and I just get a big grin

All that plasma and 2+ to hit Mortal Wounds look like they want a mobile Chaos Lord, be it bike or jump pack. Or maybe even a Prince. I guess you've got various other elites and HQ to bring in to make it a couple of detachments?

**Matt.Kingsley**

Given the wording used in 8th I believe it might strictly be 1 shot since they seem to use in interchangeably with attack, but I'm not sure.

**lindsay40k**

Well reading further we get "may make a shooting attack with one of its weapons, or throw a grenade"

If you can use a frag grenade then it seems unlikely that you can't use other multi-shot attacks

**Slayer-Fan123**

anticitizen013 wrote:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Downloads/40K_8th_ed_Update_Imperial_Armour_Index_Forces_of_Chaos_ver_1.0.pdf

So does this fix our Arkos issue so Alpha Legion can utterly destroy the opposition.

**Captyn_Bob**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
anticitizen013 wrote:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Downloads/40K_8th_ed_Update_Imperial_Armour_Index_Forces_of_Chaos_ver_1.0.pdf

So does this fix our Arkos issue so Alpha Legion can utterly destroy the opposition.

Not really, The special ability still affects The Faithless not Alpha Legion.
Without the Lord bonus of reroll 1s I'm not sure about Arkos. The AL stratagem is so much better than his +1 to charge.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
anticitizen013 wrote:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Downloads/40K_8th_ed_Update_Imperial_Armour_Index_Forces_of_Chaos_ver_1.0.pdf

So does this fix our Arkos issue so Alpha Legion can utterly destroy the opposition.

Not really, The special ability still affects The Faithless not Alpha Legion.
Without the Lord bonus of reroll 1s I'm not sure about Arkos. The AL stratagem is so much better than his +1 to charge.

Are the Faithless of Alpha Legion rules though?

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

ZergSmasher wrote:
I'm using Bloodreavers rather than Blood Warriors for my Berzerkers. Much cheaper (twice as many bodies for same price) even if you have to really suspend your disbelief at bare-chested barbarian-looking guys being as tough as Astartes. My personal fluff justification for it is that they were on an isolated planet in the Eye of Terror, they fought each other all the time, which drew the attention of Khorne. Khorne enhanced their physiology to be able to withstand blows that would obliterate a normal human being, and then Kharn showed up and recruited them into his warbands. I'm actually going to perhaps write a short story about this in the Dakka Fiction section soon.

I did the exact same, so no shame in using Blood-Reavers. I found some 3rd party Chaos-y backpacks that looked very fleshy/organic, so I just slapped 'em on and went with a "their muscles are actually over-growing their former Black Carapace, etc...

**Bluthusten**

lindsay40k wrote:

That all looks solid to me! As for additions... I would be thinking about a deep striker to divide the attention of screening units - we don't want the super-possessed to spend the game munching through cannon fodder, and something with decent long range. The Possessed suggest a couple of Elite units, with a HQ to get an extra CP. Perhaps some Slaaneshi Terminators or Chosen, and a Helbrute? Also - do you anticipate many objectives games, because those Cultists are not going to hold anything?

yeah after a couple thoughts and reading, i gonna kick out Fabius. i´ll try to go Competitive with this list, cause i love the look and the idea of 20 Possessed surrounded my might and magic

so we need:

Changeling of Course
Herald of Tzeentch

1 Tzeentch Sorcerer with Jumppack

and our 20 Possessed. Sorcerer can buff them up to 4++, Herald of Changeling can buff Boon of Change, and the enemy gets -2 Hit on them (12"+ range).

Now i though about some Kyborgs, which also benefit from the Changeling + a Prinz would be nice as a Beatstick.

Slaanesh Terminators, Slaanesh Havocs, its all good. even raptors or warptalons (Demons!) can fit into the list. for now i have no idea what am i building around them

**Sersi**

Rydria wrote:
Played my first game with the 8th edition codex, the intoxicating elixir, diabolic strength daemon prince is a beast. Took stimulated by pain as my warlord trait, she ended up with 12 attacks by the end of the game and was going around slaughtering everything which dared to get within threat range.

12 str10 ap-2 D2 attacks is pretty sick .

The 10 man combi-plasma terminator squad also preformed as expected it killed a two 10 man tactical squads, an assault squad, a scout squad, a predator, a rhino and cato sicarius. (I failed to get prescience on turn 1 but the veterans of the long war + endless cacophony annihilated the tacticals) they then slaughtered a scout squad on the charge and killed cato sicarius and the assault marines on his turn when then piled in to help (though I lost 6 terminators to Cato doing mortal wounds :/)

Wasn't happy with the obliterators but I rolled awful for there weapons twice in a row :/

Not the best list but here it is 2000 points

Battalion Emperor's children
Daemon prince – 180 (talons, intoxicating exlier, Diabolic strength) (warlord stimulated by pain)
Chaos Terminator Lord – 129 (Chainfist, combi bolter)

Noise Marines – 107 (x4 sonic blasters, x1 Blastmaster)
Noise Marines – 107 (x4 sonic blasters, x1 Blastmaster)
Noise Marines – 107 (x4 sonic blasters, x1 Blastmaster)

Elite detachment (forgot name)
Jump Chaos Sorcerer – 128 (Force sword, combi-bolter)

Chaos Terminators – 554 (x10 Combi-Plasma, x9 Lightning claws, x1 Chain fist)
Sonic Hellbrute – 155 (x2 Blastmaster, x1 Power scourge)
Sonic Hellbrute – 155 (x2 Blastmaster, x1 Power scourge)

Oblitirators – 195
Helldrake – 168 (Bale Flamer)

It looks like you points are off on those Noise Marine squads they should be 111 pts each.

Did you get to use you use Endless Cacophony on the Oblits?
How did your Sonic Dreadnoughts perform? Any Crazed rolls or Fire Frenzy use?

**Dionysodorus**

Music of the Apocalypse is clearly just 1 shot. It lets you make "a shooting attack". The shooting rules in the main rulebook are very clear that this means one dice. Compare the language used for Noise Marines to what Company Ancients allow, where you are able to shoot with a weapon's full profile.

**Rydria**

Sersi wrote:
Rydria wrote:
Played my first game with the 8th edition codex, the intoxicating elixir, diabolic strength daemon prince is a beast. Took stimulated by pain as my warlord trait, she ended up with 12 attacks by the end of the game and was going around slaughtering everything which dared to get within threat range.

12 str10 ap-2 D2 attacks is pretty sick .

The 10 man combi-plasma terminator squad also preformed as expected it killed a two 10 man tactical squads, an assault squad, a scout squad, a predator, a rhino and cato sicarius. (I failed to get prescience on turn 1 but the veterans of the long war + endless cacophony annihilated the tacticals) they then slaughtered a scout squad on the charge and killed cato sicarius and the assault marines on his turn when then piled in to help (though I lost 6 terminators to Cato doing mortal wounds :/)

Wasn't happy with the obliterators but I rolled awful for there weapons twice in a row :/

Not the best list but here it is 2000 points

Battalion Emperor's children
Daemon prince – 180 (talons, intoxicating exlier, Diabolic strength) (warlord stimulated by pain)
Chaos Terminator Lord – 129 (Chainfist, combi bolter)

Noise Marines – 107 (x4 sonic blasters, x1 Blastmaster)
Noise Marines – 107 (x4 sonic blasters, x1 Blastmaster)
Noise Marines – 107 (x4 sonic blasters, x1 Blastmaster)

Elite detachment (forgot name)
Jump Chaos Sorcerer – 128 (Force sword, combi-bolter)

Chaos Terminators – 554 (x10 Combi-Plasma, x9 Lightning claws, x1 Chain fist)
Sonic Hellbrute – 155 (x2 Blastmaster, x1 Power scourge)
Sonic Hellbrute – 155 (x2 Blastmaster, x1 Power scourge)

Oblitirators – 195
Helldrake – 168 (Bale Flamer)

It looks like you points are off on those Noise Marine squads they should be 111 pts each.

Did you get to use you use Endless Cacophony on the Oblits?
How did your Sonic Dreadnoughts perform? Any Crazed rolls or Fire Frenzy use?

I never got to use endless cacophony on the oblitirators they preformed very poorly overall, I never used fire frenzy since there was never anything that was closest that i wanted to shot with them.

I used endless cacophony once on the terminators, 1 other command point was used on a re-roll for a psychic test, and the rest where all used on veterans of the long war.

**Sersi**

The Terminators sound like they were really effective; but man that's a lot of points. How did the Dreadnoughts do?

**Rydria**

Dionysodorus wrote:
Music of the Apocalypse is clearly just 1 shot. It lets you make "a shooting attack". The shooting rules in the main rulebook are very clear that this means one dice. Compare the language used for Noise Marines to what Company Ancients allow, where you are able to shoot with a weapon's full profile.

There are other abilities that do the exact same thing that have completely different wording

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Sersi wrote:
The Terminators sound like they were really effective; but man that's a lot of points. How did the Dreadnoughts do?

They where really effective, 1 killed Calgar 1 v 1 in close combat and together they killed a devastator squad in cover and put a stormhawk down to 2 wounds. They also put 5 wounds on the predator the terminators killed.

**Dionysodorus**

Rydria wrote:
Dionysodorus wrote:
Music of the Apocalypse is clearly just 1 shot. It lets you make "a shooting attack". The shooting rules in the main rulebook are very clear that this means one dice. Compare the language used for Noise Marines to what Company Ancients allow, where you are able to shoot with a weapon's full profile.
There are other abilities that do the exact same thing that have completely different wording

I mean, sure, but in this case the rules clearly lay out what an "attack" is, and it's not 3 attacks.

**Sersi**

Dionysodorus wrote:
Rydria wrote:
Dionysodorus wrote:
Music of the Apocalypse is clearly just 1 shot. It lets you make "a shooting attack". The shooting rules in the main rulebook are very clear that this means one dice. Compare the language used for Noise Marines to what Company Ancients allow, where you are able to shoot with a weapon's full profile.
There are other abilities that do the exact same thing that have completely different wording

I mean, sure, but in this case the rules clearly lay out what an "attack" is, and it's not 3 attacks.

It also says under "Number of Attacks" that a shooting attack is dependent on the weapons profile; so 3 attacks. I've honestly never heard anyone question this, but this should be in: You make the call.

**Dionysodorus**

Sersi wrote:

It also says under "Number of Attacks" that a shooting attack is dependent on the weapons profile; so 3 attacks. I've honestly never heard anyone question this, but this should be in: You make the call.

No, it simply never says that a shooting attack makes a number of attacks dependent on a weapon's profile. I mean, read that aloud to yourself -- even GW rules writing isn't that sloppy. What it does say is that when you shoot with a weapon, you make a number of attacks depending on the profile. Of course, MotA is specifically telling you to only make one attack.

**doc1234**

Question for other people using blood warriors as zerkers. I got my hands on the eastfit/starter set aspiring champion dude with the jaw looking axe but can't find any backpacks that seem to fit him properly. What have others used? None of the other warriors have had any issues with fitting really.

**Sersi**

I opened a thread in YMTC here.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/737361.page#9570296

**Rydria**

doc1234 wrote:
Question for other people using blood warriors as zerkers. I got my hands on the eastfit/starter set aspiring champion dude with the jaw looking axe but can't find any backpacks that seem to fit him properly. What have others used? None of the other warriors have had any issues with fitting really.

You need to use a bit of green stuff to make a connection point to the armour from the back pack then use a sculpting tool to make it look right (it is quite easy)

For appropriate looking, go with either possessed or dark vengeance chosen back packs since there mutated look goes well with the mutated chest plates on some of the blood warriors, i also like to shave down the shoulders and put actual power armour shoulders on them to make them look less like fantasy warriors and more like space marines. (though it really is up to you how far you go on the conversion)

**Jancoran**

anticitizen013 wrote:
I posted this in another thread but I managed to score a bunch of raptor bits and the old Khorne Berzerker FW kit, so once I get back from vacation I will be putting them all together. I have a good feeling about them! I'm really excited to get my 1500 point army finished... I think it will do well. Lots of choppy murder death! Bwahahha!

I did very well with Chaops Raptors in 7E and I am hopeful they will be similarly great in 8th.

**Kornath**

Hey guys, I just bought a Forgefiend/Maulerfiend box and wanted to know what experience you have with either of the units.

I'm leaning towards the Maulerfiend, but I can't help thinking it will never get across the board before being shot to pieces.

Any thoughts are appreciated.

**Rydria**

Sersi wrote:
I opened a thread in YMTC here.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/737361.page#9570296

Thanks for making that thread Sersi, and that it got resolved.

**doc1234**

Rydria wrote:
doc1234 wrote:
Question for other people using blood warriors as zerkers. I got my hands on the eastfit/starter set aspiring champion dude with the jaw looking axe but can't find any backpacks that seem to fit him properly. What have others used? None of the other warriors have had any issues with fitting really.
You need to use a bit of green stuff to make a connection point to the armour from the back pack then use a sculpting tool to make it look right (it is quite easy)

For appropriate looking, go with either possessed or dark vengeance chosen back packs since there mutated look goes well with the mutated chest plates on some of the blood warriors, i also like to shave down the shoulders and put actual power armour shoulders on them to make them look less like fantasy warriors and more like space marines. (though it really is up to you how far you go on the conversion)

Greenstuff it is then, thanks!

Yeah I've been using the dark vengeance packs for the others. got a bunch of the things sat around (now sans backpacks and various other bits lol).

**Rydria**

doc1234 wrote:
Rydria wrote:
doc1234 wrote:
Question for other people using blood warriors as zerkers. I got my hands on the eastfit/starter set aspiring champion dude with the jaw looking axe but can't find any backpacks that seem to fit him properly. What have others used? None of the other warriors have had any issues with fitting really.
You need to use a bit of green stuff to make a connection point to the armour from the back pack then use a sculpting tool to make it look right (it is quite easy)

For appropriate looking, go with either possessed or dark vengeance chosen back packs since there mutated look goes well with the mutated chest plates on some of the blood warriors, i also like to shave down the shoulders and put actual power armour shoulders on them to make them look less like fantasy warriors and more like space marines. (though it really is up to you how far you go on the conversion)

Greenstuff it is then, thanks!

Yeah I've been using the dark vengeance packs for the others. got a bunch of the things sat around (now sans backpacks and various other bits lol).

You should consider giving some of the blood warriors the dark vengeance power axe arm it looks really good on a berserker