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Ashkayel wrote:
Tried KMKs with the new Dakka Dakka rule and the "reroll 1’s to hit when shooting" clan rule. They were deadly!

Yeh bad moons are the obv choise for kmk. If you can fit bad moon det that's where to put them. Evil sun is mandatory but 2 battallions is cheap enough for orks and cp so good not a problem unless you have painting issue like i too many clans, too few units...

I will have it seems one heck of a codex opener this seems if release order is speed freak first, then codex(rather than reverse or together) as that gives on store date as 27. Same day as 6k apoc game...i could think up easier first games with codex than 6k apoc with 7h from store opening and apoc game starting! And that includes couple hour driving to game location. Lol.

Don't even know army list in advance...

tneva82 wrote:

 Eonfuzz wrote:

gungo wrote:
As said before this is a benefit to trukk boys and dread mobs. greentides probably didn’t need the boost. However it’s hard to tell if this faq does anything for us since they purposefully didn’t touch anything ork related this faq.

When the Ork codex is released in November we'll get a FAQ for that a month later.

October.-

Isn't looking like it tneva.

 Eonfuzz wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Eonfuzz wrote:

gungo wrote:
As said before this is a benefit to trukk boys and dread mobs. greentides probably didn’t need the boost. However it’s hard to tell if this faq does anything for us since they purposefully didn’t touch anything ork related this faq.

When the Ork codex is released in November we'll get a FAQ for that a month later.

October.-

Isn't looking like it tneva.

How? WD showed first half is not orks. Gee. WD telling us orks are not first half means obviously second half(which WD of that month never touches) is not either...

For love of god it's pretty simple: WD shows last half of previous month and first half of that month. October WD showed no orks. GW flat out told in september orks are coming in october. At this late SCHEDULE IS SET! No more wiggle room. None. Zip. WD is printed month+ ago, things are coming to warehouse. GW knows precisely the date. Which they say is october. However when october WD was leaked out long time ago and told no orks there what was instantly obvious: Orks dont' come in first half. What this means is second half of october is completely open. That is covered in november WD(along with first half of november).

This way GW gets ALL ork releases(which has more model kits than most of the releases so likely takes 3-4 weeks) into one WD. Which they wouldn't have if orks would have covered entire october.

GW is shouting down the date at the top of their lungs yet people are ignoring it. Lol. But to make it easy for you:

First ork related pre-order: 13.10.2018 (announcement to be done on this sunday 7.10.2018)

GW is not keeping that secret...

What that exactly is is another thing. Is it speed freaks or codex? It's one or the other or both. Model kits don't come before codex so those we can discount. Thus it's either speed freak followed by codex pre-order on 20.10.2018 or both together.

Simple. And anybody who has paid any attention to GW release pattern after WD went to monthly knew this the moment GW told orks are coming in october and contents of october WD were leaked(before GW even publicly put preview on warhammer community).

Can we limit the Orktober discussions to one thread?

Some people are still playing orks with the index and this is the place for them to discuss strategy.

Please use this thread for any discussions on GW's release schedule.

tneva82 wrote:

Ashkayel wrote:
Tried KMKs with the new Dakka Dakka rule and the "reroll 1’s to hit when shooting" clan rule. They were deadly!

Yeh bad moons are the obv choise for kmk. If you can fit bad moon det that's where to put them. Evil sun is mandatory but 2 battallions is cheap enough for orks and cp so good not a problem unless you have painting issue like i too many clans, too few units...

I will have it seems one heck of a codex opener this seems if release order is speed freak first, then codex(rather than reverse or together) as that gives on store date as 27. Same day as 6k apoc game...i could think up easier first games with codex than 6k apoc with 7h from store opening and apoc game starting! And that includes couple hour driving to game location. Lol.

Don't even know army list in advance...

It's either deff skullz, bad moonz or freebootas. I've run deffskull kmk and tankbustas. Really good. 6++ was trolltastic vs those plasmas and lazcannons. And the re-roll are more variable. Deffskullz are very hard to math out but i feel they're probably a tiny bit better than bad moonz. No idea about how freebotas work. If the bonus stacks, they're gona rock large pt games.

How does the dethskull reroll even works? I have only heard rumour of it but not exact wording. Has that been leaked? To what it can be used? The big ? is can it be used to reroll number of shots or not? If yes that's HUGE boost to skorchas, KMK's etc(I would even prefer that over reroll 1's to hit probably)

It's either re-roll to hit, to wound or damage.

I got to play a game yesterday vs Raven Guard.
Knowing it was Raven guard in advance I still took a lot of shooting and was extremely surprised. My list was super soft and not competitive. I played Goffs as well. Just to have exploding 6's in 2 phases. The Space marines were almost all infantry deployed into a refused flank, picketed by scouts squads with 2 scout biker units 3 models in each. Aside from the scouts everything else was Nu-Marines, 3 squads of troop guys 2 squads of hell blasters 4 characters 2 units of 3 aggressors and 2 units of 3 flying guys. That army had no mobility what so ever after the bikers were killed on turn 1 and then he dropped his flying guys in on turn 2 in his deployment zone, he was completely bottled in at that point.
We played hammer and anvil deployment - Big Guns mission. Orks got first blood, 2 objectives and a point for getting into his Deployment Zone and killed 1 unit of aggressors and both units of hell blasters ( Final score of 10 or 11 to 7.) I lost my warlord to my own stupidity, I don't play enough to remember the rules properly.
I fielded a Meka dread with Big Zapp and I think that was my MVP. D3, was very helpful the big Zapp hitting 2 times on 6's then hitting 2 more times at least once.
I did well, lots a lot of stuff but kept to my plan of trying not to get killed, staying just out of range of stuff, using terrain and picking his units apart before I closed the distance. Orks rule, Marines suck. lol.

tneva82 wrote:

 Eonfuzz wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Eonfuzz wrote:

gungo wrote:
As said before this is a benefit to trukk boys and dread mobs. greentides probably didn’t need the boost. However it’s hard to tell if this faq does anything for us since they purposefully didn’t touch anything ork related this faq.

When the Ork codex is released in November we'll get a FAQ for that a month later.

October.-

Isn't looking like it tneva.

How? WD showed first half is not orks. Gee. WD telling us orks are not first half means obviously second half(which WD of that month never touches) is not either...

-snip-

Looks like I'm wrong and damn happy to be wrong too!

Ork boyz finally got the nerf they deserved. Now on 32mm bases. Yes, this means you will have to rebase if you plan on going to major tournaments because if you meet someone that has bought ork boyz recently - you will be modeling for advantage and 25mm is better in basically every way for close combat models.

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Ork boyz finally got the nerf they deserved. Now on 32mm bases. Yes, this means you will have to rebase if you plan on going to major tournaments because if you meet someone that has bought ork boyz recently - you will be modeling for advantage and 25mm is better in basically every way for close combat models.

I'm not sure what the common practice in tournaments is, but until there is a mention on Ork Boyz datasheet that the models stand on 32mm bases my Boyz are going to be rocking their 25mm bases. Rebasing 100+ boyz.. no thanks.

I assume you're basing (no pun intended) this on the one photo on the article?

 Weazel wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Ork boyz finally got the nerf they deserved. Now on 32mm bases. Yes, this means you will have to rebase if you plan on going to major tournaments because if you meet someone that has bought ork boyz recently - you will be modeling for advantage and 25mm is better in basically every way for close combat models.

I'm not sure what the common practice in tournaments is, but until there is a mention on Ork Boyz datasheet that the models stand on 32mm bases my Boyz are going to be rocking their 25mm bases. Rebasing 100+ boyz.. no thanks.

I assume you're basing (no pun intended) this on the one photo on the article?

We don't have hard confirmation just yet, but it's been expected for some time. But until we do get that confirmation, I'm not going to start rebasing my models just yet.

Yup photo. Reece basically confirmed that we're getting a matched play base size chart


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Oh and Reece confirmed the 32mm

Size chart? For just Orks or all factions?

For all factions, of course.

This is coming with the codex or with CA? And this is based on Reece as well?


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A nerf to Orks is really all that we needed at this point. Thanks. Losing essentially half of the CC attacks from Boyz since the back ranks can't reach anything anymore.

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When did Reece confirm the 32?

People have emails from GW stating that there is no need to change bases for matched play so no, you won't have to rebase unless the tournament specifies in which case I won't be attending said tournament and they lose sales.

If GW release this 'basing chart for matched play' I'll refer them to a previous email received this week and stop playing at all.

AoS has a basing chart and it is kind of needed for organized play, so people won't just flip to the most advantageous base for every model.

You also have an entire thread going on about how GW lied to you. Now you start believing their E-Mail team which is famous for being the most inconsistent way to get information from GW?

 Jidmah wrote:
AoS has a basing chart and it is kind of needed for organized play, so people won't just flip to the most advantageous base for every model.

You also have an entire thread going on about how GW lied to you. Now you start believing their E-Mail team which is famous for being the most inconsistent way to get information from GW?

I didn't say GW lied to me. I said they failed to deliver what they said they were going to deliver. Nor is it the only topic of the thread.

I don't expect any company, GW or otherwise, to state in an email something they know to be false. They are not the actions of a company I want anything to do with, personally. Particularly when the thing they are falsifying invalidates much of something I have spent years building and countless pounds creating.

The cost is somewhat irrelevant (although it may be prohibitive to some) but I won't have time to rebase all my models. Not my Boys or my Bikes. If that means I can't play the game in a 'matched play' setting they have just lost a customer.

Reece has confirmed 32mm.
GW will ALWAYS say "do whatever you want, we just make recommendations lol".
The 3 unit limit is a recommendation.
The 3 detachment limit is a recommendation.
The 32mm base size will be... you guessed it. A recommendation. And how did the previous 2 work out in tournament play? Exactly.

As usual, you fail hard at providing sources for what you quote from elsewhere, rvd.

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Reece has confirmed 32mm.
GW will ALWAYS say "do whatever you want, we just make recommendations lol".
The 3 unit limit is a recommendation.
The 3 detachment limit is a recommendation.
The 32mm base size will be... you guessed it. A recommendation. And how did the previous 2 work out in tournament play? Exactly.

When did Reece confirm 32 base size? The latest Signals hasn't aired yet and I watched the most recent few to know he didn't there.

To be fair, not all tournaments follow the same rules and guidelines for things like bases. We still have tournaments where 25mm marines are perfectly legal.

It's pretty safe to assume that if there is a base chart, most tournaments will enforce it. Just like the rule of three.

 Jidmah wrote:
It's pretty safe to assume that if there is a base chart, most tournaments will enforce it. Just like the rule of three.

Yea I don't disagree.

I think GW have a bit of a nerve if they release something like that. I don't see them providing new bases for all of us loyal customers who purchased Boys on 25s. If they were updating the models then I'd be all for a base increase but I really aint interested in sticking my current Boys and Bikes (some of which are less than a year old) on new bases.

You just have to believe everything I say without a source :p

https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2018/10/01/orktober-has-begun/#comments

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
You just have to believe everything I say without a source :p

https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2018/10/01/orktober-has-begun/#comments

At the time of reading this Reece seems to say he would be ok with boys on 25MM bases or at least 'sees the argument to leave them there". But is keen to put lootas, and I guess larger models on the larger bases.
He says nothing specific as to how his events plan to deal with this "issue".
I don't attend those large events so I doubt it's a problem I will have to deal with. Just reading that some people believe it's mandatory is irritating.

 warhead01 wrote:
He says nothing specific as to how his events plan to deal with this "issue".
I don't attend those large events so I doubt it's a problem I will have to deal with. Just reading that some people believe it's mandatory is irritating.

This is true, but Reece also says (bear in mind he has inside knowledge of GW's plans) -

Reecius wrote:Well, GW may not have a basing guide for Orks at this point in time but looking at AoS it seems like it may become a possibility that you should be open to.

Reecius wrote:AoS’ base chart is a rule for Matched Play, IIRC. It’s not for open and narrative play.

Which seems like a pretty big hint to me.

For whatever reason the site didn't allow me to comment so I haven't had the chance but the long and short of it is that I would find this in very bad taste if it happened.

GW aren't going to provide the new bases for my models (bikes and otherwise) to re-base them without cost to me.
It's going to take an inordinate amount of my time to re-base my models, which I simply don't have (and if I did, I wouldn't want to spend my limited hobby time revisiting completed models).
I won't be able to play casual matched play games as well as tournaments without house ruling unless I re-base all of my models. Some of my models are less than a year old. It's a slap in the face of loyal customers who have been purchasing for years.

You have to know how Reece writes. He has to be very diplomatic and secretive to not break the NDA and to not be damaging to GW's sales. When he says "he could see an argument" he means "but this is how it's gonna be anyway".

Just FYI - I'm not happy about the change and I only have <150 of that to do and I've only based like 4 models so far as Orks are my 3rd army in a year. I cannot imagine having to do 500+

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
You just have to believe everything I say without a source :p

https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2018/10/01/orktober-has-begun/#comments

Thanks!

I think Reece is quite clearly talking about aesthetics and not about tournament floor rules.