hollow one wrote:
So we have a lot of info now. Time to start theory building for me.



Here's how I'd play em, and some mandatory CP spending.
List 1:
This is a standard area denial list. You backfield will be all grots and 1x30 boyz and 1x10 boyz. deploy KMK as far forward as possible. Spend 2 CP to deepstrike 1x30 boyz. Turn 1 you are using warbikes dakka guns and stormboyz and even your KMK to clear space and kill screens for your beta strike turn 2.
Turn 2 you Mob up your backfield boyz (40man) and da jump with your deepstrike. That's 70 boyz, they all have to be evil sunz for the 8" charge. KMKs are best blue, as we've discussed, and your big mek sticks around back there. I'd load up the wartrike with the relic klaw and the evil suns warlord trait that allows fall back shoot and charge. Nothing ground breaking in this list, but I think its very good. Suffers from not enough -AP. I like this list because the warbikes are the only targets for billowing smoke, and it really helps them stick around, i'm thinking a 10man warbike squad is pretty comparable to 30 shootas, in damage and price.

List 2:
Really not sure how this list goes, but they all fit in battlewagons, pretty cheap now those cars. You got some 1x10 boyz for objectives at the back, they need to be the blood axe ones so you can get at least a 5+. The vehicles being blood axe is also pretty solid. Still jumping a 1x30 boyz here, but the 2x19 are in wagons and the flashgitz might do some work as well, who knows. I'm not sold on this list, but it's something.

List 3:
I'm pretty sure this is the only way to play Kans. The deep strike stratagem allows 20PL or less, and currently deff dreads are 21 PL for three in a unit. SO if that drops down below 20, then this idea is fething fire. No big shootas on your deff dreads, you just spend 4 CP and launch 6x4 kan klaws at your enemy, they have to be evil sunz for the charge. It's actually super affordable. The rest of this list leans on some battle wagons doing the ramming speed stratagem and hurting things with deff rollas, they were good before but way better now with the price. You want as many speedy HQ as possible in this list beacuse your deff dreads will protect them very well by being closer. Keep in mind, once the deff dreds land you're GUARANTEED to get a charge off since you're making 6 different 8" rerollable charges, theres no way they'll all fail. Best thing about this list as they really have nothing to shoot but t7+ targets for turn 1. Maybe get a 'ard top for the ghazkul battlewagon.
This list can't kill flyers, and once it lands, it's really slow, probably gets slammed by eldar/harlequins.
I'm spending a lot of CP on relics in this list, if wartrikes can pick them up i'll be bringing the new klaw, headwoppa, and making one of them cybork body 5+++.

List 4:
Snakebite Goff babeeeeee, i'm leaning into Monster Hunter stratagem here (+1 to W vs a target). I'd be skarboyzing 2x30 boy squads here, deep strike one, and da jump the other, crash that gak turn 2. The non skarboy 1x30 can trudge up the board with ghaz, keep him safe. You clear a path with your dakka jets (dont forget make one of them -2 to hit with billowing smoke stratagem) and then land your dick punch goff boy team turn 2 and warpath one of them.

Turn 1, you da jump the tankbustas, pop monster hunter, and shoot all your KMK, squiggs, and rokkits at whatever you want, magnus, morty, castellans, shadowblades, whatever. get it done. The tankbustas will die, but what I like about this list as that all the things on the table worth shooting will have 6+++, and the dakkajets will be -1 and -2 to hit. I think this list has legs.

Warboss has the headwoppa relic here. Warlord trait will be +1atk and +1str, give ghaz a run for his money.

List 5:
I tried to make the best gunline I could think of without bringing 18 KMK (which is probably still correct btw). Of the new vehicles, the scrapjet with the +1 to hit vehicles is probably the only one worth bringing, and it has a specific anti-tank role in this list that the list would otherwise suffer a bit from. I think 1x30 boyz mobbed up with 1x10, da jumped, and shoot twice with the bad moonz stratagem is going to be NASTY, and may well fit into every list. Once you delete their screens with 160 shots (not including DDD on 5's with the stratagem), you'll drop down the deep striking nobz to clean up the heavy armor. In this list im spending 6CP to deep strike all three of my elite squads. The only thing that bothers me is that they are not evil sunz (they probably should be), but I think specifically in this list you want nobz to be goffs because the exploding 6's really benefit these heavy hitters. You're hoping these nobz land and do serious damage, beacuse they are DEAD after they've finished. But fighting after they die should be awesome (stratagem). I would consider a wartrike in here instead of the big mek on bike perhaps, if you wanted to adv and charge the scrapjets.
I know this is going to sound weird, but im bringing the +1 psych power relic with this list. you NEED that spell to go off. But the thunderbluss wouldnt be the worst either.

List 6:
Blood axes are how you make a good and solid area denial brigade. Imagine the lootahs, they are in trukks in this list, as we used to do it. But, with the looted tank stratagem, once the trukk dies, these guys are 4+ wherever they stand, and hopefuly they get a point drop. If you're using max range with these blokes that'll make them pretty hard to kill, so long as you have taken up enough space to stop the flyers getting in your deployment zone. Otherwise im just min maxing the rest of the army here, I still want the shoota mob up/da jump here from list 5 to clear out screens (but its no where as good as bad moonz version), but there are heaps of durable notes here. 10 warbikes will love billowing smoke -1, the boomdakka has that built in, the two painboyz will go a long way here, and you've got a stationary and mobile big mek KFF.

This is the only list i would consider 'ard boy stratagem, and i would put it on all three of my boy squads for 6CP, worth.
Just for flavors sake, i would give my big mek on bike the finkin hat. Load him up with +1 atk +1str +1dmg and rerolls, then give him headwoppa.

P.S there are heaps of point errors and spelling errors or whatever in this post, but you get the idea. I did this compilation mostly from memory and mostly for myself but thought i'd share some ideas. Any point value in a box is me speculating... e.g. i think lootas will drop a couple of points, and KMK might go back to their original point value before CA.