Nym wrote:
Just one question : Slugga boyz or Shoota boyz ?

I have tons of Shoota but after a few games, it seems to me Sluggas would fair better since I almost always Advance...

Thoughts ?

 Nym wrote:
Just one question : Slugga boyz or Shoota boyz ?

I have tons of Shoota but after a few games, it seems to me Sluggas would fair better since I almost always Advance...

Thoughts ?

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Warbosses dont feel AS mandatory as they did in 7th but still not fielding one feels like a waste.
Least the boyz can function without one now, even if its clearly way better to have one near them

I hated how previously Boyz just failed everything if the Boss wasnt attached to that unit (or painboy).

Does anyone find any value in a WAAAGH! banner anymore? Since we hit on 3s normally (save for PKs) it kinda feels like it isnt that valuable to me. I could just be stupid lucky and not seeing why its actually valuable lol

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Touche, i actually havnt used MANz in 8th except in a smaller tutorial-type game with a friend that recently got into the game. Been having too much fun with walkers lol, finally getting use out of my kanz and deffs is amazing. (i have 6 Kanz and 4 Deffdreads lol)
The ability to do the old school "wound shenanigans" makes me wonder if its worth having a larger than 3man MANz squad now. Or for that matter since vehicles dont have a unit limitation, just 2 squads in the same trukk/wagon lol

 koooaei wrote:
I've used a banner nob a couple times and now i lean towards not taking him at all. Sure, hitting on 2 and 3 is not bad but it's a niche thinkg. It's often either not needs or not enough. See, a banner nob is quite expensive. And he only adds to mellee damage output. Whereas i often find myself wanting more bodies or more pks. Maybe the overall effective will pay off in games vs tough not very damaging opponents. But i prefer the versatility of numbers. Of you wanting more effective boyz, get more boyz. Of you wanting more effective pk, get a boss.

I'll consider banner nob is he was 50 pts.

Breng77 wrote:
I've also stopped taking him, he is nice to have but very expensive and he reduces some flexibility in your army. As for MANZ, I'm not even convinced he is worth it for them unless you are looking at a max sized unit, and maybe not even then, because for use it means they need to be delivered in a transport. I look at it this way if you have 3 saw manz they get 12 attacks, normally they hit 6 times, with the banner they would hit 8, for 16 points less than the banner I can add a 4th man, which has the same effect and adds durability to the squad. Now adding that banner to a 4 man squad with 16 attacks means 10.33 hits, but again I can add another man to get much the same effect, more durability and more upside for good rolling. At this point his addition makes a bit of sense because at 5 models he will produce 13.33 hits vs 12 for adding the 6th man, but even that is debatable.

pismakron wrote:

Breng77 wrote:
I've also stopped taking him, he is nice to have but very expensive and he reduces some flexibility in your army. As for MANZ, I'm not even convinced he is worth it for them unless you are looking at a max sized unit, and maybe not even then, because for use it means they need to be delivered in a transport. I look at it this way if you have 3 saw manz they get 12 attacks, normally they hit 6 times, with the banner they would hit 8, for 16 points less than the banner I can add a 4th man, which has the same effect and adds durability to the squad. Now adding that banner to a 4 man squad with 16 attacks means 10.33 hits, but again I can add another man to get much the same effect, more durability and more upside for good rolling. At this point his addition makes a bit of sense because at 5 models he will produce 13.33 hits vs 12 for adding the 6th man, but even that is debatable.

Yes, but if you are going to use MANZ then they will be in a transport, probably with some other characters or some Nobz, or a min-squad of Boyz. And then I think he is worth it. I have found, that the problem with the bannernob when running a green tide, is that you often end up needing to congaline in order to use him on your second turn, when he is most important. It is the exact same reason that I think many Ork players are taking warbosses on bikes these days. I would love for the bannernob and Weirdboy to get a warbike option. Or a jumppack option.

pismakron wrote:

Breng77 wrote:
I've also stopped taking him, he is nice to have but very expensive and he reduces some flexibility in your army. As for MANZ, I'm not even convinced he is worth it for them unless you are looking at a max sized unit, and maybe not even then, because for use it means they need to be delivered in a transport. I look at it this way if you have 3 saw manz they get 12 attacks, normally they hit 6 times, with the banner they would hit 8, for 16 points less than the banner I can add a 4th man, which has the same effect and adds durability to the squad. Now adding that banner to a 4 man squad with 16 attacks means 10.33 hits, but again I can add another man to get much the same effect, more durability and more upside for good rolling. At this point his addition makes a bit of sense because at 5 models he will produce 13.33 hits vs 12 for adding the 6th man, but even that is debatable.

Yes, but if you are going to use MANZ then they will be in a transport, probably with some other characters or some Nobz, or a min-squad of Boyz. And then I think he is worth it. I have found, that the problem with the bannernob when running a green tide, is that you often end up needing to congaline in order to use him on your second turn, when he is most important. It is the exact same reason that I think many Ork players are taking warbosses on bikes these days. I would love for the bannernob and Weirdboy to get a warbike option. Or a jumppack option.

 koooaei wrote:
It's a matter of preference. I thinkg we can all agree that a banner is ok but not mandatory. The decisive factor for me was the need to bunch up and always keep distance. I like more freedom.

pismakron wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
It's a matter of preference. I thinkg we can all agree that a banner is ok but not mandatory. The decisive factor for me was the need to bunch up and always keep distance. I like more freedom.

Yes, but really that is a problem with the KFF as much as with anything else. The KFF really slows down the movement phase.

SemperMortis wrote:
Is anyone else slightly annoyed that everyone gets all these Fething reroll mechanics and we as a CC army get +1WS. Would it have been too much to ask for the Waaagh Banner to let us reroll failed wound rolls?

CaptainCarrots wrote:
What are people's thoughts about fielding an all-in-your-face-turn-1 list with meka dreads and stormboyz?

Stormboyz seem to be a really strong (and versatile) unit, which is supported by their performance at BAO. And they have a threat range of 12+3d6", with the option of re-rolling charges.
And then meka dreads seem to be our best-costed dreadnought option. And they have the option of taking mega-chargas, which gives them a 16+2d6" threat range, with the option of re-rolling charges.

The core of the list that I've been tinkering around with looks like this:
Stormboyz, Stormboy Nobs w/ PKs (many)
Meka-dreads with Mega Charga, Rippa Klaw, and Rattler Kannon (3+)
Zhadsnark (1)
Ork Big Mek on Bike with Kustom Forcefield (2)
Weirdboy w/ Da Jump (1)
Boss Nob with Waaagh Banner (1)

The general strategy is to either go balls-to-the-wall aiming for a first-turn charge with as many units as possible (if your opponent happens to deploy close), or holding off on using the mega-chargas until turn 2 to all-but-guarantee that your meka-dreads reach close combat alongside (hopefully) Zhad and the stormboyz. Big Meks on Bikes are there to provide your army with a little bit of hardiness via KFFs and then also to hang out near the dreads once they reach combat to perform repairs. I think they're better platforms for the KFF than the dreads because (1) they're characters, and thus can't be shot at under most circumstances, and (2) equipping them with the KFF frees up your dreads to take chargas. Weirdboy is mainly there to "jump" the boss nob into range of all of your units once they hit the enemy lines, making everyone hit on 2s (although I suppose he could also jump zhad or units of stormboyz if needed).

Then, as far as additions go, I was trying to decide between:
(1) Kommandos (and maybe Snikrot?), for objective-grabbing and possible assaults out of deepstrike at the same time everything else hits the enemy lines
(2) Dakkajets or Lootas, for turn 1 supporting dakka
(3) Mob of 30 ork boyz (incl. nob w/ PK) as a second target for "da jump"
(4) Zagstrukk, for his fearless aura
(5) Ghazghkull, for his general combat badassery and +1 attack buff for the stormboyz
(6) other armored units, like kanz or a kill tank to maximize multi-wound, high-toughness target saturation, which might help the meka dreads to live a bit longer
or (7) just more stormboyz

What do you gits fink?

Breng77 wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:
Is anyone else slightly annoyed that everyone gets all these Fething reroll mechanics and we as a CC army get +1WS. Would it have been too much to ask for the Waaagh Banner to let us reroll failed wound rolls?

Not really I'm not in favor of orks re-rolling close combat stuff because of how many dice rolls that is, so for game speed it would be bad. What I would like is a re-roll to hit in shooting, or even the banner giving just straight +1 to hit (not just in the fight phase).