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For me:

Power Klaws for Choppa Boyz

Big Choppas for Shoota Boyz

I find the Power Klaws clutch in dealing wounds to vehicles. Or my opponents are just lucky with the 4+ instead of the 6+.

I guess Hastings has just dropped a hint that Orks are coming sooner rather than later (seen on BOLS).

Does anyone have a math for calculating shots on Lootas if you always burn a CP on results of '1 shot'?

I keep getting 2.3333 on average, but am not mekboy enough for this.

Also, if you roll a d3, get a one, reroll it, get another one, then this would be a 1 in 6 occurance right?

Possible results:

1,1 1/9 chance
1,2 1/9 chance
1,3 1/9 chance
2 1/3 chance
3 1/3 chance

So the average is 1/9 + 2/9 + 3/9 + 2/3 +3/3 = 2.33

So you are a proppa mekboy - you don't know why it works, you just know it does

 Frozocrone wrote:
For me:

Power Klaws for Choppa Boyz

Big Choppas for Shoota Boyz

I find the Power Klaws clutch in dealing wounds to vehicles. Or my opponents are just lucky with the 4+ instead of the 6+.

My tourny lists biggest weakness is Vehicles, but I just can't justify spending 25pts on a PK that only does up to 3 damage a turn. Big Choppas I reserved for my 2 Boyz units and I left every other nob naked. I am sure I could have done better scrapping the Koptas for Big Choppas on all the Kommandos though.

Tbh I'm also holding out hope that given the SM and CSM dropped PF points same will happen to Orks.

Then again they'll be at Strength 10 and have more attacks so pfft

v0iddrgn wrote:
I guess Hastings has just dropped a hint that Orks are coming sooner rather than later (seen on BOLS).

where is that? I have a feeling they are close maybe one of the last two unannounced codex this year. Still not out till November/December though. I'm kinda glad we are not one of the first few codex becuase they need to adjust quite a bit with orks.

gungo wrote:

v0iddrgn wrote:
I guess Hastings has just dropped a hint that Orks are coming sooner rather than later (seen on BOLS).

where is that? I have a feeling they are close maybe one of the last two unannounced codex this year. Still not out till November/December though. I'm kinda glad we are not one of the first few codex becuase they need to adjust quite a bit with orks.

I saw it on BOLS.
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/09/40k-rumors-whiff-waaagh.html

Does that even count as a rumor?

"Soon" doesn't really mean anything, because it's subjective AF.

I mean a GW rep commented in Facebook like a month ago that the Thousand Sons are getting their codex "very soon". Still it hasn't even been announced.

So yeah, pour some salt on it.

Played a shooty Ork list last weekend at a tourney and was suitably impressed with them. The combination of Flash Gitz in trukks, led by Baddrukk, Dakkajets and tankbustas in trukks works well. I had only one of each, but guess multiple units work wonders. The trukks give them the durabilty they need whilst not being overexpensive as Wagons are.

 Singleton Mosby wrote:
Played a shooty Ork list last weekend at a tourney and was suitably impressed with them. The combination of Flash Gitz in trukks, led by Baddrukk, Dakkajets and tankbustas in trukks works well. I had only one of each, but guess multiple units work wonders. The trukks give them the durabilty they need whilst not being overexpensive as Wagons are.

I use Flash Gitz and the Dakkajet in my list. All of my opponents comment on how impressive these units are. I don't see why the fact that FG have to stay still is such a big problem once you reach a suitable place for them to use their good BS?

v0iddrgn wrote:

I use Flash Gitz and the Dakkajet in my list. All of my opponents comment on how impressive these units are. I don't see why the fact that FG have to stay still is such a big problem once you reach a suitable place for them to use their good BS?

Just park them somewhere in their trukk/mobile bunker and blast away. Altough I find they are quite reliable shooting on a 5+ as well. The reroll from the runts as well as 1's from Baddrukk (if not in the trukk) has a big effect. And their high-powered shots can deal some damage to most units.

v0iddrgn wrote:

 Singleton Mosby wrote:
Played a shooty Ork list last weekend at a tourney and was suitably impressed with them. The combination of Flash Gitz in trukks, led by Baddrukk, Dakkajets and tankbustas in trukks works well. I had only one of each, but guess multiple units work wonders. The trukks give them the durabilty they need whilst not being overexpensive as Wagons are.

I use Flash Gitz and the Dakkajet in my list. All of my opponents comment on how impressive these units are. I don't see why the fact that FG have to stay still is such a big problem once you reach a suitable place for them to use their good BS?

They still have a BS of 4+, so they are regular orks while moving. Regular orks with a 3 shots S5 AP-2 weapon.


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Why do people in this thread keep posting that kanz are S7? They are S5 base and kan klaws are now +3. This makes them S8 unless I'm missing something.

 Jidmah wrote:

v0iddrgn wrote:

 Singleton Mosby wrote:
Played a shooty Ork list last weekend at a tourney and was suitably impressed with them. The combination of Flash Gitz in trukks, led by Baddrukk, Dakkajets and tankbustas in trukks works well. I had only one of each, but guess multiple units work wonders. The trukks give them the durabilty they need whilst not being overexpensive as Wagons are.

I use Flash Gitz and the Dakkajet in my list. All of my opponents comment on how impressive these units are. I don't see why the fact that FG have to stay still is such a big problem once you reach a suitable place for them to use their good BS?

They still have a BS of 4+, so they are regular orks while moving. Regular orks with a 3 shots S5 AP-2 weapon.


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Something completely unrelated:

Why do people in this thread keep posting that kanz are S7? They are S5 base and kan klaws are now +3. This makes them S8 unless I'm missing something.

I think it's a holdover from the previous edition where Kanz got hit with the Nerf bat since that's what Kan klaws were. They were only S7 AP2.

Well...i'll be damned...

They are S8 (kanz). I completely missed the kan klaw being +3 lol. Well, thats huge...that makes them wound T4 on 2+ and T7 on 3+

Thats mildly amusing since i was having good value with them at S7 lol

I'm in the process of a bunch of conversion projects, but one that I have in mind for Orks is a tank build that I have (most of) the pieces for.

But I'm just wondering which would be best to build - A Kill Tank, or a Big Trakk with Supa Skorcha?

Kill Tank would be set up with magnets for the main loadouts, though if you vote for kill tank do say which you think is best

Appreciate the help

T8 and 25W is a solid deal for 250ish points. You get either the best strength gun we have or an asscan in steroids, at grot shooting, which is the best shooting. It's even decent at combat and carries 12 dudes.

The supa skorcha is cool but you lose a lot of durability for less range, less transport for not that much less cost.

Maybe in pairs, but if I had to pick one the tank is a better center piece.

v0iddrgn wrote:

gungo wrote:

v0iddrgn wrote:
I guess Hastings has just dropped a hint that Orks are coming sooner rather than later (seen on BOLS).

where is that? I have a feeling they are close maybe one of the last two unannounced codex this year. Still not out till November/December though. I'm kinda glad we are not one of the first few codex becuase they need to adjust quite a bit with orks.

I saw it on BOLS.
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/09/40k-rumors-whiff-waaagh.html

All I'm looking for, really, is Chapter Approved, and a point drop on lootas, trukks, and (hopefully) D6-hits burnas.

 JimOnMars wrote:

v0iddrgn wrote:

gungo wrote:

v0iddrgn wrote:
I guess Hastings has just dropped a hint that Orks are coming sooner rather than later (seen on BOLS).

where is that? I have a feeling they are close maybe one of the last two unannounced codex this year. Still not out till November/December though. I'm kinda glad we are not one of the first few codex becuase they need to adjust quite a bit with orks.

I saw it on BOLS.
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/09/40k-rumors-whiff-waaagh.html

All I'm looking for, really, is Chapter Approved, and a point drop on lootas, trukks, and (hopefully) D6-hits burnas.

Point drop for battlewagons, meganobz, the burna bomma, the stompa, bikers, and powerklaws would be nice.

 JohnU wrote:
T8 and 25W is a solid deal for 250ish points. You get either the best strength gun we have or an asscan in steroids, at grot shooting, which is the best shooting. It's even decent at combat and carries 12 dudes.

The supa skorcha is cool but you lose a lot of durability for less range, less transport for not that much less cost.

Maybe in pairs, but if I had to pick one the tank is a better center piece.

The Giga shoots is literally comparable to a twin ass cannon and is probably worse. If ur gonna choose one go with the kill bursts or the skorcha big trakk.

 Dr.Duck wrote:

 JohnU wrote:
T8 and 25W is a solid deal for 250ish points. You get either the best strength gun we have or an asscan in steroids, at grot shooting, which is the best shooting. It's even decent at combat and carries 12 dudes.

The supa skorcha is cool but you lose a lot of durability for less range, less transport for not that much less cost.

Maybe in pairs, but if I had to pick one the tank is a better center piece.

The Giga shoots is literally comparable to a twin ass cannon and is probably worse. If ur gonna choose one go with the kill bursts or the skorcha big trakk.

I know it's a typo but now I can't stop imagining the orks weaponizing their own farts just to piss off the imperials.

 Dr.Duck wrote:

 JohnU wrote:
T8 and 25W is a solid deal for 250ish points. You get either the best strength gun we have or an asscan in steroids, at grot shooting, which is the best shooting. It's even decent at combat and carries 12 dudes.

The supa skorcha is cool but you lose a lot of durability for less range, less transport for not that much less cost.

Maybe in pairs, but if I had to pick one the tank is a better center piece.

The Giga shoots is literally comparable to a twin ass cannon and is probably worse. If ur gonna choose one go with the kill bursts or the skorcha big trakk.

But which would you pick, the kill tank or the skorcha big trakk? You kinda answered my question with both of the answers lol.

The kill tank, personally. You don't get a gun that powerful in the Index.

Niiru wrote:

 Dr.Duck wrote:

 JohnU wrote:
T8 and 25W is a solid deal for 250ish points. You get either the best strength gun we have or an asscan in steroids, at grot shooting, which is the best shooting. It's even decent at combat and carries 12 dudes.

The supa skorcha is cool but you lose a lot of durability for less range, less transport for not that much less cost.

Maybe in pairs, but if I had to pick one the tank is a better center piece.

The Giga shoots is literally comparable to a twin ass cannon and is probably worse. If ur gonna choose one go with the kill bursts or the skorcha big trakk.

But which would you pick, the kill tank or the skorcha big trakk? You kinda answered my question with both of the answers lol.

From a competitive standpoint it's hard to tell which one is better. Personally I like the kill tank. I think that's how orks "should" be played. It's up to u

Or both of them. That's what I do

JohnU wrote:The kill tank, personally. You don't get a gun that powerful in the Index.

Is a good point. Though the index has little in the way of good shooting units in general!

Dr.Duck wrote:

From a competitive standpoint it's hard to tell which one is better. Personally I like the kill tank. I think that's how orks "should" be played. It's up to u

I only really play friendly games with a group of friends, so not really "competitive", but I know what you mean. And I can agree with what you say about how Orks should be played

Toxxic wrote:Or both of them. That's what I do

Haha, maybe eventually! But just one or the other for now

Looking at some interesting loadouts for my Kill Tank ..
One ..Bursta + 3x twin linked Big Shootas (Heavy Duty AT + a Punisher Cannon eq) ( I am leaning heavy to this one)

Two ..Twin Ass Can eq +a punisher cannon equive ( so many bullets)

Originally I thought rokkit Racks But the cost vs return ( average 3 damge per turn for the pair seemed meh)

Cant see wasting Skorchas on this with its BS 4+ as oppsed to BS 5+

Until they drop the points, either twin BS for the volume at a low cost or just keep it stock. The main gun is the selling point here anyway.

Normally i would go for a pair of rokkits but that sweet 48" of the giga shoota does not really pair well with it.

I`m working on scratchbuilding a killtank and will absolutely go for the giga shoota.
Think i gonna have to magnetise the weapons. Or simply go for the rule of cool und just give it all the weapons i can get. You can always say the unused ones are part of the giga shoota.

If i am not mistaken the killtank, otherwise than the battle waggon, has not been FAQ`d (yet) and still gives his passengers the mobile fortress rule because of the hang on rule?
Which means he can move and lootas inside can still hit on 6+?
But i think other modifiers still overrule the vixed value of 6+ to hit so shooting on flyers would make it a 7+, correct?