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Unit1126PLL wrote: I can do with 2 Warpsmiths if I must. At least the meltaguns and flamers are Assault, and can be fired while they advance with the Defilers.
I think that's the play. Decent cheap characters who fit the theme, help the defilers along plus put out some heat while they're at it - including advance + Machine Curse if they can't stay within 1" of their charges. (Also note my tweak to hit 2k by giving a warpsmith a combi-bolter. 24" daemon shell delivery too )
As for the Khorne Brigade, MSU Khorne is pretty interesting and just might work. But I have to think splitting it into two battalions, consolidating or dropping the 'crushers and picking up another DP, skullmaster, etc is a better move overall? Not really sure where you'd want to take the list. And 'crushers might not be as bad as I think
- Salvage
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How do I better deal with Knights on a Tzeench pink horror list?
I've been trying to surround them with pinks but since they can simply fall back and still shoot it gets really tricky and they just pummel my LoC to death.
I'm using around 50 to 70 pinks with Exalted Flamers, Demon Prince, Herald and LoC with Impossible Robe.
In my opinion you may as well just run 2 detachments of battalion khorne daemons, and lose out on that 2 extra CP from the brigade. 9 Bloodcrushers is a HILARIOUS investment for 2 CP.
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arhurt wrote: How do I better deal with Knights on a Tzeench pink horror list?
I've been trying to surround them with pinks but since they can simply fall back and still shoot it gets really tricky and they just pummel my LoC to death.
I'm using around 50 to 70 pinks with Exalted Flamers, Demon Prince, Herald and LoC with Impossible Robe.
Daemon Princes with axes are pretty great anti-heavy, alternatively just getting MORE exalted flamers works too.
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Thanks again guys. I think I'm gonna run the brigade list. Since the Club I play in has a house rule of only 1 of each detachments, so no double batallion. For the most part, people play with mediocore lists. Not OP and not weak.
I come from palying GK, so I guess I can't do worse with a mono khorne army? :p
Thenord wrote: Thanks again guys. I think I'm gonna run the brigade list. Since the Club I play in has a house rule of only 1 of each detachments, so no double batallion. For the most part, people play with mediocore lists. Not OP and not weak.
I come from palying GK, so I guess I can't do worse with a mono khorne army? :p
Good luck! I'd be interested to hear how it goes. Fun thing about so many CP and so few high value targets is that you really can just keep warp surging the thirster to a 3++ every turn he's alive - and still have CP leftover! Not bad.
Thenord wrote: Thanks again guys. I think I'm gonna run the brigade list. Since the Club I play in has a house rule of only 1 of each detachments, so no double batallion. For the most part, people play with mediocore lists. Not OP and not weak.
I come from palying GK, so I guess I can't do worse with a mono khorne army? :p
Good luck! I'd be interested to hear how it goes. Fun thing about so many CP and so few high value targets is that you really can just keep warp surging the thirster to a 3++ every turn he's alive - and still have CP leftover! Not bad.
- Salvage
Thanks man.
I'll try to make some updates on how the army works, and how it's Coming along. Al though it'll take some time Before I've bought and painted everything. The first 500 points of khorne is ordered and on it's way.
Someone know how to bring Astra Militarum down with daemons? I play Tzeentch but got some khorne too. Allies in CSM oblits but even with reroll 1 to hit and to wound I got obliterated... 30pinks T1 with maybe 5 from another unit. Failed a charge 5” with Khorne DP my T1 so in his T2 my DP second unit pinks,my fluxmaster and an Eflamer got killed.
Dropping in 3 units of oblits, charge guards, bullgryns and a commander but only wounding 2 of 5 tanks and killing of the bullgryns... His T3 killing my 2DP all oblits so I gave up.
Fun game but all that firepower got me thinking. Am i playing with wrong units in total or, are the Astra this crazy strong?
Someone know Daemons and how to counter astras brutally firepower. Deep strike to kill screen seems like a no no. And I don’t play nurgel or Slaanesh..
Tazberry wrote: Someone know how to bring Astra Militarum down with daemons? I play Tzeentch but got some khorne too. Allies in CSM oblits but even with reroll 1 to hit and to wound I got obliterated... 30pinks T1 with maybe 5 from another unit. Failed a charge 5” with Khorne DP my T1 so in his T2 my DP second unit pinks,my fluxmaster and an Eflamer got killed.
Dropping in 3 units of oblits, charge guards, bullgryns and a commander but only wounding 2 of 5 tanks and killing of the bullgryns... His T3 killing my 2DP all oblits so I gave up.
Fun game but all that firepower got me thinking. Am i playing with wrong units in total or, are the Astra this crazy strong?
Someone know Daemons and how to counter astras brutally firepower. Deep strike to kill screen seems like a no no. And I don’t play nurgel or Slaanesh..
IME the best daemon chaff clearers are daemonettes, seekers, and horrors with appropriate heralds, spells, and buffs. I'd personally drop a unit of obliterators and maybe the exalted flamer for another blob of pinks for more shots and relatively durable infantry. Another good trick i find is to save 40-80 points for a pink blob to give 10-20 ablative wounds via splitting to retain the +1 attack for 20+ models buff. I personally have had luck casually with slaanesh seekers, fiends, and furies getting into melee with tanks and bogging them down relatively quickly (mobility and/or fly to avoid screens). maybe you can try someting similar with screamers?
Tazberry wrote: Someone know how to bring Astra Militarum down with daemons? I play Tzeentch but got some khorne too. Allies in CSM oblits but even with reroll 1 to hit and to wound I got obliterated... 30pinks T1 with maybe 5 from another unit. Failed a charge 5” with Khorne DP my T1 so in his T2 my DP second unit pinks,my fluxmaster and an Eflamer got killed.
Dropping in 3 units of oblits, charge guards, bullgryns and a commander but only wounding 2 of 5 tanks and killing of the bullgryns... His T3 killing my 2DP all oblits so I gave up.
Fun game but all that firepower got me thinking. Am i playing with wrong units in total or, are the Astra this crazy strong?
Someone know Daemons and how to counter astras brutally firepower. Deep strike to kill screen seems like a no no. And I don’t play nurgel or Slaanesh..
Pink horrors can deal with guardsmen pretty easily, and exalted flamers can hide behind pink blobs to be your anti tank
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Hi,
my list is ready and painted, 1250 Nurgle. Now i need some advices from more trained players than me
My list:
Battallion
Poxbringer
Prince Wings Talons
30 Plaguebearers
4x Nurglings
4x Nurglings
7 Drones
Battallion
Scrivener
Bilepiper
Nurglings
Nurglings (for the rest of the points)
Nurglings
Im not at home, so i cant remember exacly the list, but should be okay, maybe 1 more drone or something like that.
First: what do you think about the list? I played it 1 time against admech and the Nurglings were amazing. The bearers are to slow in my opinion...the prince + Drones were amazing too, combined with stratagems / psi.
Second: i need help to select the powers, which one on which character, then i struggle in deployment. Should i summon something or deepstrike? Prince with Drones oder alone? Bilepiper couldnt reach the nurglings cause of there special deployment etc.
Maybe someone can teach me the demon basics Just 4 different type of units but so many possibilities...
i hope you can help me
(English isnt my first language, so dont judge me please )
Got a good top 5 placing in a recent 40+ strong tourney with Nurgle Daemons.
Took a GUO, who died in one/5 games (after killing morty), here's my thoughts on him.
Mine was kitted with Bilesword and Bileblade.
Bilesword beats out the Bell. Bell is only really viable for a summoning list, the +1 model back on a 4+ is not good enough alone to lose the combat stats of the Sword.
Bileblade beats out the flail. 2 powers at +1 cast is too valuable to lose and really the whole point of taking him. You need every chance of Miasma and Virulence going off (which should be your two powers incidentally). I tried Nurgles' Rot in place of Misasma in the tourney ( a poxbringer had misama) but didn't end up casting it once - too situational.
Also double batt may not be the way to go as I was outdropped every game.
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Bluthusten wrote: Hi,
my list is ready and painted, 1250 Nurgle. Now i need some advices from more trained players than me
My list:
Battallion
Poxbringer
Prince Wings Talons
30 Plaguebearers
4x Nurglings
4x Nurglings
7 Drones
Battallion
Scrivener
Bilepiper
Nurglings
Nurglings (for the rest of the points)
Nurglings
Im not at home, so i cant remember exacly the list, but should be okay, maybe 1 more drone or something like that.
First: what do you think about the list? I played it 1 time against admech and the Nurglings were amazing. The bearers are to slow in my opinion...the prince + Drones were amazing too, combined with stratagems / psi.
Second: i need help to select the powers, which one on which character, then i struggle in deployment. Should i summon something or deepstrike? Prince with Drones oder alone? Bilepiper couldnt reach the nurglings cause of there special deployment etc.
Maybe someone can teach me the demon basics Just 4 different type of units but so many possibilities...
i hope you can help me
(English isnt my first language, so dont judge me please )
I'd go with Miasma on the Poxbringer and Virulent Blessing on the Prince.
This way you can look to keep the Pox out of deny range and your low roll 6/7 Miasmas will still go through.
Virulent Blessing needs 7 so you keep it on the Prince who will be in deny range and spend your CP reroll on this power to.give it max chance of success. Cast VB first to see if you need reroll or not, if not it's available for the Poxbringer incase you roll up a 4 or whatever.
You have loads of CP and nurglings to screen so holding the Plagues and Drones in reserve is an option and might work well. But probably keep the Plagues on the board with Miasma up and the Drnes in reserve will be the best play. Plagues arent slow with the Spoilpox and banner using their rules for 7 move and +1 to charge/advance.
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What was your list for the tourney and how did it play? And what did you face? Also any thoughts on Rotigus instead of a standard GUO? All the questions!
Vomikron Noxis wrote: What was your list for the tourney and how did it play? And what did you face? Also any thoughts on Rotigus instead of a standard GUO? All the questions!
One unit of Plagues, 1x9 Drones, 5x3 Nurglings, Triherald, GUO, 2 winged DP and a solitary beast.
I played Eldar(2), Drukhari(14) Deathguard(4) Tyranids(13) and Nurgle Daemons (8) in a mirror match. Brackets are placings, so all tough games, all wins but no blowouts - the Nurgle Daemons way. Dodging the winner helped as his list rips mine (played a lot in practice).
I don't really like Rotigus as he loses +1 to cast off Bileblade in exchange for his extra attack abilities which may not impact the game all that much as getting a key power denied. The brackish filth is 'nice' but 7" hurts hard.
The flat 3 damage gnarlrod isn't all that bad for consistency compared to D6. Good if you're fighting invuls and 3+/4++ types but missing -3 for -1 I feel leads to more swingy situations than D6 for damage.
I don't really like Epi without shooting Oblits/Daemon engines.
I don't think you can take a relic in the daemon detachment. The relic rules for daemons state:
"If your army is lead by a warlord with the DAEMON faction keyword, you may give one of the following to a DAEMON CHARACTER in your army.
So you cannot have a warlord trait on a chaos lord, and a chaos daemons relic. Does the stratagem bypass that rule on the relics page? EDIT: someone explained it to me.
That army does look really fun though. I would like to try it out.
For CC, why not give the warlord a combi bolter? Surely it's better than the pistol.
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Vomikron Noxis wrote: What was your list for the tourney and how did it play? And what did you face? Also any thoughts on Rotigus instead of a standard GUO? All the questions!
One unit of Plagues, 1x9 Drones, 5x3 Nurglings, Triherald, GUO, 2 winged DP and a solitary beast.
I played Eldar(2), Drukhari(14) Deathguard(4) Tyranids(13) and Nurgle Daemons (8) in a mirror match. Brackets are placings, so all tough games, all wins but no blowouts - the Nurgle Daemons way. Dodging the winner helped as his list rips mine (played a lot in practice).
I don't really like Rotigus as he loses +1 to cast off Bileblade in exchange for his extra attack abilities which may not impact the game all that much as getting a key power denied. The brackish filth is 'nice' but 7" hurts hard.
The flat 3 damage gnarlrod isn't all that bad for consistency compared to D6. Good if you're fighting invuls and 3+/4++ types but missing -3 for -1 I feel leads to more swingy situations than D6 for damage.
I don't really like Epi without shooting Oblits/Daemon engines.
Cool, thanks for the update. Did you DS the GUO or make him waddle?
I'm having some decision making trouble here - i have a game against a moderate Alpha Legion player on saturday & was thinking to c**k-block his deepstrike shenanigans with some,
appropriately enough, slaanesh fun. I play a very fast Renegade Chapter CSM & Slaanesh Daemon list & thought to add some gimmicks to make his life a bit more miserable, because EXCESS!
But i'm stuck..
Currently, i have this:
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++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) ++
+ No Force Org Slot +
Legion: Renegade Chapters
+ HQ +
Chaos Lord on Bike: Combi-bolter, Combi-bolter, Mark of Slaanesh, Power axe
Sorcerer on Steed of Slaanesh: Combi-bolter, Delightful Agonies, Force sword, Lashing tongue on Steed of Slaanesh, Warptime
+ Troops +
Chaos Cultists: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, No Chaos Mark
Cultist Champion: Autogun
Chaos Cultists: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, No Chaos Mark
Cultist Champion: Autogun
Chaos Space Marines: 4x Marine w/ Boltgun, No Chaos Mark
Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
Daemon Prince of Chaos: Bewitching Aura, Malefic talon, The Forbidden Gem, Warlord
Slaanesh: Hysterical Frenzy
Herald of Slaanesh on Steed: Pavane of Slaanesh
+ Elites +
Fiends of Slaanesh: Fiend of Slaanesh
Fiends of Slaanesh: Fiend of Slaanesh
Fiends of Slaanesh: Fiend of Slaanesh
The real problem is, i don't know if the Daemon prince is maybe better in the CSM detachment, replacing the Biker Lord (giving him maybe the Elixir) and instead adding the Masque (for the +1 to hit thingy) or a second
Herald with the Bewitching Aura & Gem. Or should i deck the Prince out for CQC entirely (i.e. Mark of Excess, Murderdance & Claws + Wings) and use a dirt cheap Lord instead? The Sorc on boobsnake is just to keep
up with the rest of the army - i know its not efficient. What should i do (i can't ditch the CSM, not enough cultists models)
Vomikron Noxis wrote: What was your list for the tourney and how did it play? And what did you face? Also any thoughts on Rotigus instead of a standard GUO? All the questions!
One unit of Plagues, 1x9 Drones, 5x3 Nurglings, Triherald, GUO, 2 winged DP and a solitary beast.
I played Eldar(2), Drukhari(14) Deathguard(4) Tyranids(13) and Nurgle Daemons (8) in a mirror match. Brackets are placings, so all tough games, all wins but no blowouts - the Nurgle Daemons way. Dodging the winner helped as his list rips mine (played a lot in practice).
I don't really like Rotigus as he loses +1 to cast off Bileblade in exchange for his extra attack abilities which may not impact the game all that much as getting a key power denied. The brackish filth is 'nice' but 7" hurts hard.
The flat 3 damage gnarlrod isn't all that bad for consistency compared to D6. Good if you're fighting invuls and 3+/4++ types but missing -3 for -1 I feel leads to more swingy situations than D6 for damage.
I don't really like Epi without shooting Oblits/Daemon engines.
hello may i ask what that eldar played? i found always problems with wave spamming eldars with nurgle demons, thx
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Vomikron Noxis 727803 10020016 33a7e5b50b333f3e1f1e3fda5802cb0a.jpg wrote:What was your list for the tourney and how did it play? And what did you face? Also any thoughts on Rotigus instead of a standard GUO? All the questions!
One unit of Plagues, 1x9 Drones, 5x3 Nurglings, Triherald, GUO, 2 winged DP and a solitary beast.
I played Eldar(2), Drukhari(14) Deathguard(4) Tyranids(13) and Nurgle Daemons (8) in a mirror match. Brackets are placings, so all tough games, all wins but no blowouts - the Nurgle Daemons way. Dodging the winner helped as his list rips mine (played a lot in practice).
I don't really like Rotigus as he loses +1 to cast off Bileblade in exchange for his extra attack abilities which may not impact the game all that much as getting a key power denied. The brackish filth is 'nice' but 7" hurts hard.
The flat 3 damage gnarlrod isn't all that bad for consistency compared to D6. Good if you're fighting invuls and 3+/4++ types but missing -3 for -1 I feel leads to more swingy situations than D6 for damage.
I don't really like Epi without shooting Oblits/Daemon engines.
Cool, thanks for the update. Did you DS the GUO or make him waddle?
Deepstrike vs Eldar, DE and Tyranids(and Drones). Waddle vs DG and Chaos Daemons.
Eldar had 2 serpents, 1 crimson, 20 Guards/10 Guards/5 rangers, reapers hawks spears eldrad bikelock bikeautarch. Ulthwe. Didn't kill the vehicles.
ty for the infos, the fact is not kill the wave, is he can move wherever he want and drop units inside when he want, he have the initiative during the game.
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So a quick question, can you build a decently playable list from pure Khorne daemons? By decently playable I mean that I don't have to table Eldar or IG but would like to have a good chance of a fun game most of the time.
It's a bonus if that same list can be played in AoS.
Weazel wrote: So a quick question, can you build a decently playable list from pure Khorne daemons? By decently playable I mean that I don't have to table Eldar or IG but would like to have a good chance of a fun game most of the time.
It's a bonus if that same list can be played in AoS.
Better than my mono-Slaanesh!
BY THE WAY:
anyone have any reason why a soul-grinder might be better than a defiler? I want to use a SG but every time I look at it I'm like "hey, neato defiler analogue" and then when I see it's like 50% more expensive I'm like "PFPFPERPERPGJGAI P AEOW "
and that's the story of how I became a chaos spawn.
Only thing I could see soul grinder being OK at, is a deep strike distraction carnifex. There are plenty of better daemons for that job though, even a footslogging daemon prince.
Defilers are always better, even deepstriking a soul grinder isnt fantastic, because if youre getting something THAT big that close, you may as well deepstrike a BT instead.
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10020016 33a7e5b50b333f3e1f1e3fda5802cb0a.jpg wrote:What was your list for the tourney and how did it play? And what did you face? Also any thoughts on Rotigus instead of a standard 
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