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Thenord wrote:
Nurgle and tzeentch in the same list... Do you even fluff???

That just means both elements will have something to prove to not get shown up by their rivals

Damn shame we didn’t get something like the Wolf and Lion stratagem IMO

Thenord wrote:
Nurgle and tzeentch in the same list... Do you even fluff???

Fluff in tournaments
No wait. Fluff ever

Fluff << Crunch. Especially in competitive play. I've got a couple of friends who are very good players and they like lists kind of like that, but instead of plaguebearers, they take Tzaangor blobs and Bloodletters. Plus like 3 Tzaangor Shamans. It's gross.

TS DP cant take Warpbolter afaik.

elodingens wrote:
TS DP cant take Warpbolter afaik.

Yay illegal lists

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Current top daemon lists(18-06-10) https://imgur.com/gallery/O9AtsiG

yes very close to what im playing now, i m just trying a Dg outrider instead of 2nd battalion, but works practically same way. I just played 1 less exalted +poxbringer and 1 more nurgle demon Dp.
where that list come from?


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 ZergSmasher wrote:
Fluff << Crunch. Especially in competitive play. I've got a couple of friends who are very good players and they like lists kind of like that, but instead of plaguebearers, they take Tzaangor blobs and Bloodletters. Plus like 3 Tzaangor Shamans. It's gross.

yes but Pb gives you the resilience you need to protect so many characters, and dont underestimate the damage Pb can deal, locus of N+spoilpox+virulent blessing+Dp's reroll of 1's+rerolling any wound, they deal lot of multi wounds hits. Now instead of double battalion i play Dg outrider with 3 bloated drones and Dg Dp, it add some firepower i lost 1 prince and 30 Pb but i still feel is very competitive.


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what you guys think about a list with a N demon battalion (with 2 Dp's) and Mortarion+Magnus, or a N demons battalion+Ts supreme (Magnus and dp's) and Morty?
a thing like

2x N Dp
spoilpox
30 plague
3x3 nurglings
8 drones of Nurgle
Mortarion
Magnus

OR

spolipox
poxbringer
29 plaguebearers
3 drones of N

Ahriman
Ts Dp
Ts Dp
Magnus

Mortarion

 blackmage wrote:

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Fluff << Crunch. Especially in competitive play. I've got a couple of friends who are very good players and they like lists kind of like that, but instead of plaguebearers, they take Tzaangor blobs and Bloodletters. Plus like 3 Tzaangor Shamans. It's gross.

yes but Pb gives you the resilience you need to protect so many characters, and dont underestimate the damage Pb can deal, locus of N+spoilpox+virulent blessing+Dp's reroll of 1's+rerolling any wound, they deal lot of multi wounds hits. Now instead of double battalion i play Dg outrider with 3 bloated drones and Dg Dp, it add some firepower i lost 1 prince and 30 Pb but i still feel is very competitive.

Oh, don't misunderstand me, I know Plaguebearers are good. I was just pointing out another variant of a similar style of list, with big hordes of guys supported by Tsons characters. I would probably rather run the Plaguebearer variant myself, in fact.

 rvd1ofakind wrote:

elodingens wrote:
TS DP cant take Warpbolter afaik.

Yay illegal lists

Warp bolters are an index option I believe.

Daemon prince of tzeentch wasn't a thing I believe

 ZergSmasher wrote:

 blackmage wrote:

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Fluff << Crunch. Especially in competitive play. I've got a couple of friends who are very good players and they like lists kind of like that, but instead of plaguebearers, they take Tzaangor blobs and Bloodletters. Plus like 3 Tzaangor Shamans. It's gross.

yes but Pb gives you the resilience you need to protect so many characters, and dont underestimate the damage Pb can deal, locus of N+spoilpox+virulent blessing+Dp's reroll of 1's+rerolling any wound, they deal lot of multi wounds hits. Now instead of double battalion i play Dg outrider with 3 bloated drones and Dg Dp, it add some firepower i lost 1 prince and 30 Pb but i still feel is very competitive.

Oh, don't misunderstand me, I know Plaguebearers are good. I was just pointing out another variant of a similar style of list, with big hordes of guys supported by Tsons characters. I would probably rather run the Plaguebearer variant myself, in fact.

I'm loving PB's myself, and really am thinking of steering my competitive army toward plaguebearers and nurglings as my troops choices. Both are so damn good, and for around 600 points you can fill 2 battalion troop slots (4 nurgling units of 3, 2 units of PB's with full kit). PB's get even better if you take the Horn of Nurgles Rot relic, plus a piper and scrivener. I'm also tempted to get a GUO to run as a buffer; miasma and virulence are both extremely good on PB's.

yes i used double N demons battalion but i didn't have Dg i had a Ts supreme command, got 2nd in a 30 player tournament short for a bunch of point from 1st place

 blackmage wrote:
yes i used double N demons battalion but i didn't have Dg i had a Ts supreme command, got 2nd in a 30 player tournament short for a bunch of point from 1st place

I'm almost thinking of running Magnus as a 1k sons detachment. Hes really, really good, and for the same cost as 2 demon princes and ahriman.

Just a thought, facing the eldar list I did with 30 rangers and Illiac, characters aren't as safe as I once figured

problem with Magnus is he will be focused quickly, you cant hide it like 2 demon princes, and lose a dp is a thing, lose turn 1 Magnus is a problem, btw Magnus is sure a great model.
could try a thing like not sure if worth

N Dp with wings
spoilpox
poxbringer
3x3 nurglins
30 plaguebearers
8 N drones

Ahriman
2x Ts Dp's with wings
Magnus

 blackmage wrote:
problem with Magnus is he will be focused quickly, you cant hide it like 2 demon princes, and lose a dp is a thing, lose turn 1 Magnus is a problem, btw Magnus is sure a great model.
could try a thing like not sure if worth

N Dp with wings
spoilpox
poxbringer
3x3 nurglins
30 plaguebearers
8 N drones

Ahriman
2x Ts Dp's with wings
Magnus

I am a huge fans of pbcs, i would probably put that in place of the 1k sons det. Almost thinking a GUO and Magnus... sole reason is because both are massive threats and will take a lot to take down. Magnus will obviously get focused turn 1, but he can run with the drones (which i hear are incredible) and has some fantastic utility. But yes, its a lot of eggs in one basket. Just thinking up some ideas. I literally cannot fathom taking nurgle demons without epidemus now, hes just that good haha

There's some talk among high ranking players that Epidemius is just win more. It also limits the list to just Nurgle Daemons.

 Zid wrote:

 blackmage wrote:
problem with Magnus is he will be focused quickly, you cant hide it like 2 demon princes, and lose a dp is a thing, lose turn 1 Magnus is a problem, btw Magnus is sure a great model.
could try a thing like not sure if worth

N Dp with wings
spoilpox
poxbringer
3x3 nurglins
30 plaguebearers
8 N drones

Ahriman
2x Ts Dp's with wings
Magnus

I am a huge fans of pbcs, i would probably put that in place of the 1k sons det. Almost thinking a GUO and Magnus... sole reason is because both are massive threats and will take a lot to take down. Magnus will obviously get focused turn 1, but he can run with the drones (which i hear are incredible) and has some fantastic utility. But yes, its a lot of eggs in one basket. Just thinking up some ideas. I literally cannot fathom taking nurgle demons without epidemus now, hes just that good haha

Since the nerf, Magnus will rarely survive the first turn of shooting unless your opponent is new to the game. You are better off taking daemon princes that can hide behind units.

 D6Damager wrote:

 Zid wrote:

 blackmage wrote:
problem with Magnus is he will be focused quickly, you cant hide it like 2 demon princes, and lose a dp is a thing, lose turn 1 Magnus is a problem, btw Magnus is sure a great model.
could try a thing like not sure if worth

N Dp with wings
spoilpox
poxbringer
3x3 nurglins
30 plaguebearers
8 N drones

Ahriman
2x Ts Dp's with wings
Magnus

I am a huge fans of pbcs, i would probably put that in place of the 1k sons det. Almost thinking a GUO and Magnus... sole reason is because both are massive threats and will take a lot to take down. Magnus will obviously get focused turn 1, but he can run with the drones (which i hear are incredible) and has some fantastic utility. But yes, its a lot of eggs in one basket. Just thinking up some ideas. I literally cannot fathom taking nurgle demons without epidemus now, hes just that good haha

Since the nerf, Magnus will rarely survive the first turn of shooting unless your opponent is new to the game. You are better off taking daemon princes that can hide behind units.

i always play dp's anyway if you focus Magnus you let my whole army intact and that's not a good new, i still have 3 princes Ahriman and ton of resilient bodies, dont underestimate 8 droned and 3 princes+ahriman, and least but not last if Magnus survive usually is gg. i agree play Magnus now is like play the lottery.

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
There's some talk among high ranking players that Epidemius is just win more. It also limits the list to just Nurgle Daemons.

Pretty much. I find it harder to make a good list with Epi than without.

 Zid wrote:
Magnus will obviously get focused turn 1

And every competitive army will drop him without any problem (my Imperial Guard, for example, will shred Magnus to pieces). If you want a really tough fire-magnet, just take LoC with the Impossible Robe and boost its save to 2++. The beast can tank a whole Tau army or Guilliman's parking lot for two or more turns (from personal experience) and do some psychic damage as well.

i play without Epidemius never missed it.

What bloodthirster would you guys use for a mono khorne brigade list? I'm thinking unfettered fury; cool shooting and nice damage table..?
Cheers

Thenord wrote:
What bloodthirster would you guys use for a mono khorne brigade list? I'm thinking unfettered fury; cool shooting and nice damage table..?
Cheers

If I were to break down and use a Bloodthirster I would take the guy with the big axe, give him Armour of Scorn, and use Warp Surge on him every chance I got.

arhurt wrote:
How do I better deal with Knights on a Tzeench pink horror list?

I've been trying to surround them with pinks but since they can simply fall back and still shoot it gets really tricky and they just pummel my LoC to death.

I'm using around 50 to 70 pinks with Exalted Flamers, Demon Prince, Herald and LoC with Impossible Robe.

Any reason why you are charging them? I would imagine 12 stomp attack hurts pinks more than pinks hit knight in h2h. And as you noted short of huge swarm he just goes awav. So all that seems to accomplish is give him more stomp attacks. If you just surround but don't charge at least he gets less stomp attacks and can charge only pinks. If you charge he stomps and can fall back and charge meatier target

not easy deal with Ik with Tzeentch, you dont have firepower enough to take them down your CaC (beside Dp's) is ridicolous, Gd are wrecked apart by Ik, i think you can just try to win the mission, im not sure how you can deal with multiple Ik

RE: Magnus, I've found DS him with the Daemon strat keeps him out of harms way, still a bullet magnet but allows the rest of your army to maneuver. Worth trying

 andysonic1 wrote:

Thenord wrote:
What bloodthirster would you guys use for a mono khorne brigade list? I'm thinking unfettered fury; cool shooting and nice damage table..?
Cheers

If I were to break down and use a Bloodthirster I would take the guy with the big axe, give him Armour of Scorn, and use Warp Surge on him every chance I got.

I take it that you think the 'thirster is a subpar choice? thanks for the reply.

 TommyBoy13 wrote:
RE: Magnus, I've found DS him with the Daemon strat keeps him out of harms way, still a bullet magnet but allows the rest of your army to maneuver. Worth trying

This was FAQed.

 TommyBoy13 wrote:
RE: Magnus, I've found DS him with the Daemon strat keeps him out of harms way, still a bullet magnet but allows the rest of your army to maneuver. Worth trying

great idea... pity you cant do... demons stratagems can target only units with demon faction keyword and Magnus havent

Thenord wrote:

I take it that you think the 'thirster is a subpar choice? thanks for the reply.

Of all Greater Daemons, only Lords of Change can survive long enough to do something in battle ('cause they can be buffed to have 2++). Every other one will probably be dead turn 1 because the current level of firepower any top-level army can bring to the table is incredibly high. That's why we see a lot of DPs (they can be "shielded" by regular models) and do not see 'thirsters, KoSs and other Greaters.

AstraVlad wrote:

Thenord wrote:
I take it that you think the 'thirster is a subpar choice? thanks for the reply.

Of all Greater Daemons, only Lords of Change can survive long enough to do something in battle ('cause they can be buffed to have 2++). Every other one will probably be dead turn 1 because the current level of firepower any top-level army can bring to the table is incredibly high. That's why we see a lot of DPs (they can be "shielded" by regular models) and do not see 'thirsters, KoSs and other Greaters.

This. Armour of Scorn helps a little but at the end of the day anything large needs to be either tough or cheap while serving a purpose. Bloodthirsters don't bring enough to the table to be worth their points. Make em cheaper or make em tougher.

I'll keep saying it: make Khorne marked units immune to allied powers and then drop their points significantly (except Bloodletters who may need a 1-2 point bump if you do this). Let World Eaters take stupid amounts of Berzerkers that have to make it into combat and let Khorne Daemon players take more big bois like Bloodthirsters, Bloodcrushers, and Hounds. Let me run the legions of Khorne the way they want to be played: charging buckets full of models towards the enemy with reckless abandon.