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blackmage wrote: did someone try Syll'esske and epitome? im thinking about a list running both of them for my next national league tournament in about 3 weeks, i would like some feedbacks thx
Syll'esske is the bees knees. If you're bringing a lot of Daemonettes they are an auto-include. Just depends on your list, I really believe Syll'esske is designed to be in the middle of hordes of Daemonettes.
The Epitome is an auto-include for me anymore as well... but not just because it is so good on its own (which it is). It can follow the initial engagement forces no matter their speed. If you spam chariots, just plop an epitome with them and you have your loci and herald aura following at the same speed.
If you prefer Fiends, Seekers or even multiple KOS, give the epitome warlord and give it the celerity of slaanesh. Suddenly it's moving 15" and keeping up with Seekers, Fiends, and KOS. They're all receiving the buffs above with no threat of outpacing the auras. There was no herald that could keep up with Fiends and Seekers previously, so it's pretty crazy. I think it makes Seekers a bit more worth considering.
I have a new start collecting Slaanesh and I plan on getting 2 more, I think Hellflayers are the best thing to make but what is everyone elses thoughts? I plan on running them as a fairly cheap but hard hitting line breaker for my Khorne Daemons to charge up after whilst my tzeentch troubleshoots
After playing a lot of mono-slaanesh I have fallen into favoring the Exalted Seeker Chariot. It has the wounds to deal with some punishment and stick around, particularly against mass bolter fire with it's 4+ base save. Yes it degrades but it is cheap and people look at it and want to shoot them. They are so cheap I tend to bring 3 when I do bring them, to really put the pressure on. Put an Epitome with them and they won't be able to be ignored IMO.
The Hellflayers are the next best option, they just die to mass small arms fire more easily or one lucky lascannon shot, where you're only saving 10 points over taking the Exalted chariot. I have also found the axle attack to be really hit or miss with the D6 attacks on it. Rolling that 1 makes it feel particularly useless, whereas with the Exalted you are always getting the 8 Seeker attacks and if your opponent doesn't kill/degrade the chariot, another 8 from the daemonettes riding it.
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I built five Hellflayers (pre-RoT, natch) and I rarely leave home without all five.
I use Seekers and Fiends as my first-wave, Chariots are second-wave. Seekers eat Overwatch, Fiends pin them in place, Chariots then help finish them off. Daemonettes waltz along T3 and take Objectives*.
for obj control i use Nurgle detach with 28Pb and 2x3 nurglings bases, so i use Sl only for assault, of course demonettes can hold if needed they are almost 90 in my list.
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nothing to say about, im working too on mono SL build, depend where i go to play and how i expect to perform with them, i like SL and now im happy that's a viable choice.
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In continuation of the topic how has players experience been with the contorted epitome been so far? I've been thinking of bringing one in a chaos soup list so I'm curious how people have found it in practice.
it's one of best demon choice, fast hit hard, psyonic and hinder fall back, +1 str to SL demons, in you play a large SL based army it is a must include.
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buddha wrote: In continuation of the topic how has players experience been with the contorted epitome been so far? I've been thinking of bringing one in a chaos soup list so I'm curious how people have found it in practice.
I have found them to be awesome and highly flexible. I am not sure how they would do in a soup list (I play mono Slaanesh) but they are excellent as the HQ choice for a slaanesh detachment. They're basically a better Daemon Prince, minus the ability to fly. But locking people in combat, bonuses to casting/denying, the +1 strength aura, and the Loci for Slaanesh Daemons makes up for it.
I will say that the epitome will be better if you're planning to bring chariots, fiends or seekers. If you're using Daemonettes I would recommend Syll'Esske if you can eek out the extra points.
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i m testing both in an "almost" mono slaanesh build, i just use some nurgle for obj control, Slaanesh is wasted to sit on objective and it's not durable enough for the task.
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Slaanesh is one of the forces that i feel really NEEDS to be mono, at least a single detachment of it, because for a force that has no guns and must rely on cc advance and charge is soooo important. Khorne likes its reroll charges but its not a must. Tzeentches loci is a bad joke. Nurgles also doesnt do much in the deamon codex in the grand scheme of things, but its nice when it happens.
But slaanesh? Speed is the name of the game and getting into cc with your opponent t2 with a large portion of your force is very important. Even more so when you consider demonettes are very good at killing chaff in cc.
yes agree, i play a mono SL battalion with anything i need for fast CaC (demonettes, Dp, Syll'esske, epitome and fiends), then the Nurgle battalion or a supreme command with 2 extra Dp's
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So, I played in my first tournament ever a few weeks ago (a doubles tournament, my buddy brought tzeentch Daemons and Magnus). We went in with the goal of not losing every game and somehow "accidentally" ended up at the finalists table in our first tournament ever! We got slaughtered in the final game but we had a ton of fun.
I am reinvigorated and finding I actually enjoyed tournaments, we have decided to join a larger 1v1 RTT. It will be much larger so I guess I can expect some stiffer competition.
Maintaining the attitude of having as much fun as possible and hopefully not losing EVERY game, I have developed two lists. Yes, I play mono-Slaanesh and I will be sticking with that. I am sure it is not 100% competitive but any ideas would be helpful and which list you think would work best! Along with what you think of my philosophies.
List 1:
Spoiler:
This first list is based around the concept of everything moving forward as fast as possible. Essentially... WHO RUNS COCAINE TOWN? With the KOS moving 14", I didn't want them outpacing everything. So this is what I came up with. Everything, minus the Daemonette CP batteries will move at 14"+D6"+2D6 Charge and I have enough characters to have everything advance and charge.
The Contorted Epitome: Cacophonic Choir, Celerity of Slaanesh, Hysterical Frenzy, Warlord
+ Fast Attack +
Hellflayer
Seekers: Daemonic Icon, Heartseeker, Instrument of Chaos, 11x Seeker
Seekers: Daemonic Icon, Heartseeker, Instrument of Chaos, 11x Seeker
++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Daemons) ++
+ No Force Org Slot +
Chaos Allegiance: Slaanesh
+ HQ +
Keeper of Secrets: Living whip, Pavane of Slaanesh, Phantasmagoria
+ Elites +
Fiends: Blissbringer, 2x Fiend
Fiends: Blissbringer, 2x Fiend
Fiends: Blissbringer, 2x Fiend
++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Daemons) ++
+ No Force Org Slot +
Chaos Allegiance: Slaanesh
+ HQ +
Keeper of Secrets: Delightful Agonies, Sinistrous hand, Soulstealer, Symphony of Pain
Shalaxi Helbane: Delightful Agonies, Shining aegis, Symphony of Pain
+ Troops +
Daemonettes: Alluress, 9x Daemonette
Daemonettes: Alluress, 9x Daemonette
Daemonettes: Alluress, 9x Daemonette
List 2:
Spoiler:
This list is centered around still moving quickly, as is Slaanesh's thing... but with a mass of bodies/chariots and no discernible, single biggest threat. The chariots will provide the first initial threat/wave but the Daemonettes are my bread and butter. Hopefully they shoot at the chariots in their faces first. Synergized with Syll'esske, yadda yadda.
Your philosophy is a good one I think. Same as me if I would go to a tournament.
I like your second list better but think I would combine the two lists like something.
Battalion
KoS KoS Epitome
2x 10 demonettes
1x 30 demonettes
2x2 fiends
Outrider
Epitome
Syll’esske
Seekers
Seekers
Chariot of some sort
Not sure of the points, I’m typing on my phone so.
And take my “advice” with some salt as I do not play competitive (yet) and only got a small battalion worth of Slaanesh daemons. Main Tzeentch with khorne but getting more and more of slaanesh at the time.
My experience with slaanesh in tournaments is you want full speed from the start and severe target saturation. From what models you have posted in your lists this is what i would do.
Gives you 19 cp, 6 hqs to put out advance and charge auras, lots of fast moving targets, and a lot of high priority targets that your opponent just wont be able to deal with in 1 turn.
High priority targets are fiends, keepers of secrets, and those chariots.
And 19 cp means you have no issues with command points. Go ahead and splurge on those strats, if you burn through 19 cp in 2 turns something went really wrong (or really right).
Excommunicatus wrote: I'm ill-equipped to comment, sorry, but wondered if you could tell me the dimensions of the Contorted Epitome?
I'm working on an alt. version and want it to be roughly the right size.
The actual mirror on the Epitome is 6 cm tall by itself. Fully assembled from the base to the top of the Slaanesh symbol its 8.6 cm, with another 4 mm if you include the base.
Azuza001 wrote: My experience with slaanesh in tournaments is you want full speed from the start and severe target saturation. From what models you have posted in your lists this is what i would do.
Gives you 19 cp, 6 hqs to put out advance and charge auras, lots of fast moving targets, and a lot of high priority targets that your opponent just wont be able to deal with in 1 turn.
High priority targets are fiends, keepers of secrets, and those chariots.
And 19 cp means you have no issues with command points. Go ahead and splurge on those strats, if you burn through 19 cp in 2 turns something went really wrong (or really right).
Burning through 19 cp in two turns sounds rather excessive to me.
Daemon Prince of Chaos [9 PL, 180pts]: Daemonic axe, Khorne, Skullreaver, Wings
Herald of Slaanesh on Steed [4 PL, 82pts]: Pavane of Slaanesh
+ Troops +
Nurglings [3 PL, 54pts]: 3x Nurgling Swarms
Nurglings [3 PL, 54pts]: 3x Nurgling Swarms
Nurglings [3 PL, 54pts]: 3x Nurgling Swarms
++ Total: [107 PL, -1CP, 1,995pts] ++ [spoiler]
double battalion 13CP nurglings for obj control, and a quick hard hitting assault force (chariots+fiends), maybe i could go full SL, but Slaanesh isn't good for obj control and i might have only 9cp
Magnus eat some bullets and preserve my Slaanesh force, fiends and chariot advance quick with him (if he survive), i tried a similar strategy with nurgle trying to preserve plaguebearers and worked fine
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Azuza001 wrote: My experience with slaanesh in tournaments is you want full speed from the start and severe target saturation. From what models you have posted in your lists this is what i would do.
Gives you 19 cp, 6 hqs to put out advance and charge auras, lots of fast moving targets, and a lot of high priority targets that your opponent just wont be able to deal with in 1 turn.
High priority targets are fiends, keepers of secrets, and those chariots.
And 19 cp means you have no issues with command points. Go ahead and splurge on those strats, if you burn through 19 cp in 2 turns something went really wrong (or really right).
Is there a reason for taking ritual knives on the two KOS?
Or is this just a case of you quickly throwing the list together on BS to show what you generally use?
Excommunicatus wrote: I'm ill-equipped to comment, sorry, but wondered if you could tell me the dimensions of the Contorted Epitome?
I'm working on an alt. version and want it to be roughly the right size.
The actual mirror on the Epitome is 6 cm tall by itself. Fully assembled from the base to the top of the Slaanesh symbol its 8.6 cm, with another 4 mm if you include the base.
Spasibo bolshoye, merci beaucoup, grazie mille, ta muchly.
chimeara wrote: So, I'm just about to finish painting my An'Grrath and I'm gonna use it this weekend in a casual game. I was curious about what tactics I should take. Should I DS him or take advantage of his incredible move speed? I'll be using a pure Khorne Daemons army.
An'Grrath is a beastly monster and great fun to play :-)
I'd definitely start him on the table, with a decent roll he can make a first turn charge and have a nearly automatic second turn one. Deep striking him in has the problem of the opponent choosing what you attack (hes such a big model to place down) and failing a 9" charge.
Always be prepared to give him the +1 save strat.to save him from enemy big guns.
Make sure you have some anti infantry firepower to clear out screens (pink horrors do it well but skull cannons could also work) and some anti-infantry assault element to stop him getting bogged down in chaff.
He's likely to draw alot of attention so normal bloodthirsters might be able to survive long enough to reach combat if you're lucky :-)
You can no longer give him or any daemon lords Warp Surge because it caps at 4++ as a result of the FAQ which was aimed at Impossible Robe but also impacted other units. Which is why I don't use Anggrath in games anymore.
Azuza001 wrote: My experience with slaanesh in tournaments is you want full speed from the start and severe target saturation. From what models you have posted in your lists this is what i would do.
Gives you 19 cp, 6 hqs to put out advance and charge auras, lots of fast moving targets, and a lot of high priority targets that your opponent just wont be able to deal with in 1 turn.
High priority targets are fiends, keepers of secrets, and those chariots.
And 19 cp means you have no issues with command points. Go ahead and splurge on those strats, if you burn through 19 cp in 2 turns something went really wrong (or really right).
Is there a reason for taking ritual knives on the two KOS?
Or is this just a case of you quickly throwing the list together on BS to show what you generally use?
Just thrown together, a general idea that can me modified to a persons personal tastes. Thats why there are no relics or warlord picked or spells.
Myself I don't use the keeper of secrets, when i run greater daemons i run 2 batallions and a supreme command. Looks like this...
Daemon Prince of Chaos [9 PL, 180pts]: Daemonic axe, Khorne, Skullreaver, Wings
Herald of Slaanesh on Steed [4 PL, 82pts]: Pavane of Slaanesh
+ Troops +
Nurglings [3 PL, 54pts]: 3x Nurgling Swarms
Nurglings [3 PL, 54pts]: 3x Nurgling Swarms
Nurglings [3 PL, 54pts]: 3x Nurgling Swarms
++ Total: [107 PL, -1CP, 1,995pts] ++ [spoiler]
double battalion 13CP nurglings for obj control, and a quick hard hitting assault force (chariots+fiends), maybe i could go full SL, but Slaanesh isn't good for obj control and i might have only 9cp
Magnus eat some bullets and preserve my Slaanesh force, fiends and chariot advance quick with him (if he survive), i tried a similar strategy with nurgle trying to preserve plaguebearers and worked fine
This list seems like a trap - where if you go first and do really well its an easy nod to all the parts working - but to go second against a heavy gunline / someone who pops relic of lost acadia etc and unloads with a ton of reroll hits / wounds you will probably lose magnus and a chunk of those daemonettes. Hoping for the best though.
Are there certain mixes with the contorted epitome and the new Slan DP that work outside of heavy mono=daemon slan builds? Even soup or as a hard hitting piece of a soup list? I couldn't figure it out - I love the new models but can't figure out exactly the role the new Slan DP plays in any given list that isn't mono-Slan.
Are there certain mixes with the contorted epitome and the new Slan DP that work outside of heavy mono=daemon slan builds? Even soup or as a hard hitting piece of a soup list? I couldn't figure it out - I love the new models but can't figure out exactly the role the new Slan DP plays in any given list that isn't mono-Slan.
Of course there are mixes. For example, any daemon unit from CSM codex, with the mark of slaanesh, would benefit from the S+1 buff from the epitome. They could also advance and charge, if a herald of slaanesh is within range. And they would re-roll 1s to hit if they are within range of sylleske.
Daemon Prince of Chaos [9 PL, 180pts]: Daemonic axe, Khorne, Skullreaver, Wings
Herald of Slaanesh on Steed [4 PL, 82pts]: Pavane of Slaanesh
+ Troops +
Nurglings [3 PL, 54pts]: 3x Nurgling Swarms
Nurglings [3 PL, 54pts]: 3x Nurgling Swarms
Nurglings [3 PL, 54pts]: 3x Nurgling Swarms
++ Total: [107 PL, -1CP, 1,995pts] ++ [spoiler]
double battalion 13CP nurglings for obj control, and a quick hard hitting assault force (chariots+fiends), maybe i could go full SL, but Slaanesh isn't good for obj control and i might have only 9cp
Magnus eat some bullets and preserve my Slaanesh force, fiends and chariot advance quick with him (if he survive), i tried a similar strategy with nurgle trying to preserve plaguebearers and worked fine
This list seems like a trap - where if you go first and do really well its an easy nod to all the parts working - but to go second against a heavy gunline / someone who pops relic of lost acadia etc and unloads with a ton of reroll hits / wounds you will probably lose magnus and a chunk of those daemonettes. Hoping for the best though.
Are there certain mixes with the contorted epitome and the new Slan DP that work outside of heavy mono=daemon slan builds? Even soup or as a hard hitting piece of a soup list? I couldn't figure it out - I love the new models but can't figure out exactly the role the new Slan DP plays in any given list that isn't mono-Slan.
that's right but is the role Magnus has in that list, eat bullets, i dont really care if he die turn 1 (and not happen anytime anyway) the rest of list charge turn 1-2 and then damage i deliver is high, with every mono slaanes list you play, you need bargain a big treath to preserve your troops, it s not Nurgle. A gallant is another decent option, more wounds and T compared to Magnus good CaC, another threat you cant often ignore, im testing both versions and they have potential, a good alternative is play a pair of KoS but spend 200+ bucks isn't in my plans at the moment. 3 chariots 8 fiends epitome and magnus/renegade knight is a decent "early" target saturation, im sure you can do better but sadly slaanesh is not comparable to Nurgle about efficiency, nurgle remain the way for very competitive demons
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Are there certain mixes with the contorted epitome and the new Slan DP that work outside of heavy mono=daemon slan builds? Even soup or as a hard hitting piece of a soup list? I couldn't figure it out - I love the new models but can't figure out exactly the role the new Slan DP plays in any given list that isn't mono-Slan.
Of course there are mixes. For example, any daemon unit from CSM codex, with the mark of slaanesh, would benefit from the S+1 buff from the epitome. They could also advance and charge, if a herald of slaanesh is within range. And they would re-roll 1s to hit if they are within range of sylleske.
The only thing cooler than a bunch of DPs & Fiends advancing & charging a gunline on T1 is them being joined by a bunch of Maulerfiends & a Warptimed Defiler or Possessed horde & a Murder Sword Steed Lord
(Also don’t forget the Locus of Advance + charge is universal to Dos Characters)
chimeara wrote: So, I'm just about to finish painting my An'Grrath and I'm gonna use it this weekend in a casual game. I was curious about what tactics I should take. Should I DS him or take advantage of his incredible move speed? I'll be using a pure Khorne Daemons army.
An'Grrath is a beastly monster and great fun to play :-)
I'd definitely start him on the table, with a decent roll he can make a first turn charge and have a nearly automatic second turn one. Deep striking him in has the problem of the opponent choosing what you attack (hes such a big model to place down) and failing a 9" charge.
Always be prepared to give him the +1 save strat.to save him from enemy big guns.
Make sure you have some anti infantry firepower to clear out screens (pink horrors do it well but skull cannons could also work) and some anti-infantry assault element to stop him getting bogged down in chaff.
He's likely to draw alot of attention so normal bloodthirsters might be able to survive long enough to reach combat if you're lucky :-)
You can no longer give him or any daemon lords Warp Surge because it caps at 4++ as a result of the FAQ which was aimed at Impossible Robe but also impacted other units. Which is why I don't use Anggrath in games anymore.
Wait, so the tactic of giving a Lord of Change both Incorporeal Form and the Impossible Robe to make it very difficult to it can't be done anymore?
As far as my most recent army list which I'm still putting together (I haven't even assembled all of the models) involves this: One battalion of World Eaters with the Khorne mark including a unit of berserkers, one battalion of Death Guard, and one battalion of Khorne daemons including three units of bloodletters, one or two bloodmasters, and Skulltaker. I plan to deepstrike the daemon battalion as early as possible. To anyone here, does this general concept for an army seem valid? Also, I'm thinking of adding a Hellforged Contemptor Dreadnought to my army (not sure to which battalion) and I'm up in the air if I want to give it butcher cannons or soul burners. I know that the cannons have great range and firepower, but that in some ways, the soul burners are more powerful. Which one would probably be better, and which CSM battalion do you think I should put it and my Helbrute in?
you can give impossible robe to LOC for a 3++ save
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I have been wanting to expand into nurgle/DG but have been trouble finding a list that looked fun to me. I came across this one below that seemed cool, I am just having trouble figuring out how it works. What do the termies do? Are they deepstrike? Center field control? What about buff order, or strats that are pivotal to making the list work? Anyone with experience on a similar list that can shed some light?
