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 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Aetaos got 2nd in the biggest GT - NOVA open. He is Top 3 superheavy in the game. You cannot argue against that. You cannot go 12-0(into 12-1 in filnals IIRC) and not be worth it

Do you have the army list? Im curious about what army set up he was using.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
I, as an individual, would not be thrilled with that in a competitive setting. With my buddies, I don't care. However, my opinion is and always will be your "conversion" is YOUR obligation to bring the best model possible to your opponent. Saying "This smaller, cheaper model counts as this bigger, much more expensive model" that in this instance is so powerful, again, it's not even allowed in most large events, I'm less interested in believing you're doing your best to bring an appropriate model.

However, I'm just a dude. I'm not your TO.

I wouldn't play the dude in Canada who uses clay models to represent giant spawn, I'm not gonna play someone using a LoC as Aetaos. These are simply personal decisions.

I actually paid MORE for my conversion, $130 for the model is the wings form a LoC i added as a second set to be taller, and I he rhino I chopped in half to mount him on. This was not a model based on price, I dislike the FW LoC so I used something else.

Ecdain wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
I, as an individual, would not be thrilled with that in a competitive setting. With my buddies, I don't care. However, my opinion is and always will be your "conversion" is YOUR obligation to bring the best model possible to your opponent. Saying "This smaller, cheaper model counts as this bigger, much more expensive model" that in this instance is so powerful, again, it's not even allowed in most large events, I'm less interested in believing you're doing your best to bring an appropriate model.

However, I'm just a dude. I'm not your TO.

I wouldn't play the dude in Canada who uses clay models to represent giant spawn, I'm not gonna play someone using a LoC as Aetaos. These are simply personal decisions.

I actually paid MORE for my conversion, $130 for the model is the wings form a LoC i added as a second set to be taller, and I he rhino I chopped in half to mount him on. This was not a model based on price, I dislike the FW LoC so I used something else.

I'm aware. We've discussed this at length. Opinion and warning to others remains the same.

 ThePie wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Aetaos got 2nd in the biggest GT - NOVA open. He is Top 3 superheavy in the game. You cannot argue against that. You cannot go 12-0(into 12-1 in filnals IIRC) and not be worth it

Do you have the army list? Im curious about what army set up he was using.

Supreme command:
5 Malefic Lords
Aetaos'rao'keres

Supreme command:
5 Malefic Lords

Brigade (YES, A BRIGADE)
3 Malefic Lords (for a total of 13)
Changeling
10 pink horrors
5x 10 brimstones 1 blue
3 x scout sentinels with lascannons
3 x heavy weapon squads with mortars
3 x command squads with lascannons

Is that a squad of 10 pink horrors? have no idea what to think about that.

Well, they're not terrible. But I think he said something along the lines of "I took it for the lulz"

Interesting List.
Is this R&H mixed in?

In my games i felt Pink Horrors overprized and really worthless, beside one turn of smite.
Cant shoot, cant fight, cant smite anymore (never really could).
Overprized, a mega waste.
I really regret, buying 30 of them.

I like (i really do) the rest of list, especially the mortar teams and the keres.

What are peoples thoughts on the GuO? Is it worth it in a combined csm/cd list or not?

Champion of Slaanesh wrote:
What are peoples thoughts on the GuO? Is it worth it in a combined csm/cd list or not?

I don't know if it's efficient or competitive, but it's a fun unit to use. The Plague Flail's ability gives you some interesting options, he takes a bunch of damage and can heal with the one spell, and he should kill most things he gets into combat with. Makes a nice wrecking ball if you can get him up the board while tying things up with faster units like Drones or DPs.

Could someone tell me the rough size of the slaanesh chariot, and/or the tzeentch chariot, in comparison to say... a rhino or a land raider footprint?

It's for conversion purposes, so a rough length/width would be ideal. And the base size, if it comes on a base... I assume large oval 120mmx92mm?

A couple of Questions from a Daemon-noob;

Is there a possibility to play Skarbrand without taking him from the table after Turn 1 (due to mass Lasca shots etc.)?

Are the Start-collecting Boxes worth their money, especially Slaanesh, Nurgle and/or Khorne?

Is it worth using Heralds to buff CSM-Daemon units? (edit i.e. Possessed & LasherFiends in particular, maybe even Mutilators(yeah i know, don't ask - i just like them))

Now, i'm not a competitive player - i've never even played in a tournament because.. well, i'm gak at the game, i just love converting, painting & casually playing - but i like to win everyone once in a while

I took the pink horrors to screen the malefic lords. I had 186 points or so of of summoning so I could split them all the way down.

That meant you had to shoot tgrough 50 wounds with a 4++ and -1 to hit.

Niiru wrote:
Could someone tell me the rough size of the slaanesh chariot, and/or the tzeentch chariot, in comparison to say... a rhino or a land raider footprint?

It's for conversion purposes, so a rough length/width would be ideal. And the base size, if it comes on a base... I assume large oval 120mmx92mm?

Exalted slannesh is on 120mm oval, it is also roughly 170mm at longest point and 170mm at widest point including spikes and tongues.

Personally, I don't see big Bird as being as overly broken as he's been made out to be by some. Just because some lists have a hard time countering him doesn't mean he's literally bannable

Some lists have just as hard a time countering celestine, mortarion, or just msu guard spam and to blanket the tourney world with a ban on cool models that just so happen to have a large power level seems knee jerk at best.

Congrats on what seems a great daemon list. Go tzeentch!

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Aetaos got 2nd in the biggest GT - NOVA open. He is Top 3 superheavy in the game. You cannot argue against that. You cannot go 12-0(into 12-1 in filnals IIRC) and not be worth it

Out of curiosity, do you know what the other 2 awesome superheavies are? I'm guessing gulliman and magnus?

Magnus and Mortarion.

I forgot that Girlyman is a superheavy. He's a tiny dude

If you want one representation from Khorne. Can use Lord of Skulls. 28 wounds, T8, 5++, and infernal regeneration.

Here's an idea I had while fiddling around with Battlescribe. Basically a Monster Mash with the two Daemon Primarchs and a supporting cast.
Detachment 1: Super-heavy Detachment
Magnus the Red
Mortarion
Renegade Knight: RF Battle Cannon w/Heavy Stubber, AGC w/Heavy Flamer, Stormspear Rocket Pod
Detachment 2: Battalion Detachment
HQ:
The Changeling
Malefic Lord
Malefic Lord
Troops:
Horrors: 9 Brimstone, 1 Blue
Horrors: 9 Brimstone, 1 Blue
Nurglings: 4 bases
Elites:
Exalted Flamer
Exalted Flamer
Heavy Support:
Wyvern: Heavy Bolter (Renegades and Heretics)
Now, I don't have anywhere near the models to pull this off, but it seems like it would be pretty fun! The Nurglings could screw with Infiltrators somewhat, the Horrors could hold objectives with the Changeling protecting them and the E-flamers, the Knight and Wyvern could sit back and pound on the enemy, and the Primarchs could rush forward and kill stuff. Seems like a decent plan to me, but I'm not sure. I might just have to borrow the models and give this one a go!

The problem with Magnus and Mortarion in one army is that the most powerful thing about them is Warptiming them. And you can cast it once per turn.

Well, say you warp time one of the Daemon Primarchs, say Mortarion in. So, Magnus is still in the midfield and can only charge next turn.

The opponent is still stuck between a rock and a hard place. Does he try and kill off Mortarion, who is already in amongst his battle line and pulsing mortal wounds, or does he try and focus down Magnus, who will definitely be charging his battle lines next turn and is already lobbing high damage smite and other psychic powers.

I feel that it doesn't matter which one of the two you warp time in, because the other is definitely set to charge the following turn. The implicit threat is already there.

This past weekend I won a local 20-person tournament using Magnus and Mortarion. It was a fun list to play, but can definitely get unlucky and you have to sweat bullets with every move you make. It also sucks that all Imperial players can easily just spam Culuxus assassins.

I think Aetos is not that bad - the bigger problem is that all the lists that use him all spam Malefic Lords. I think if you couldn't combine a super expensive unit with lots of underpriced good units those lists would be more tame.

So if one would run a pure daemons of tzeentch army (none of thoose boring malefic lord spam, i hate that), what would the most effecrive units be.

Aetaos seems like the bestway to use my lord of change model, atleast until tzeentch gets better and more spells.

6-9 flamers looks like a good way to deal with orks etc, tzeentch seems to otherwise lack ways to deal with hordes.

Screamers only good use is to tie up shooty units? They otherwise seem poor for thier points.

Chariots also look bad to me, better use exalted flamers which can hide behind other units.

Best troop choice is to run 10 pink and 10 brimstones units ?

I'll get in before Cephalobeard this time: don't use the LoC to represent Aetaos in a tournament setting, he's a much bigger bird.

so are chaos furies worth it at all? I was gonna try and screen my DP with them as they can move faster than cultists. Also wondering about potential flying circus with DPs( I have three)

Furies are way too expensive, squishy and can't do any damage.

So I took 3rd place in a 1500pt. local tourney with:

Vanguard Detachment +1CP

Belakor
6 Flamers of Tzeentch
6 Flamers of Tzeentch
6 Flamers of Tzeentch
1 Exalted Flamer of Tzeentch
1 Exalted Flamer of Tzeentch
1 Exalted Flamer of Tzeentch

Supreme Command Detachment +1 CP

1 Daemon Prince w/mark of Tzeentch extra maelific talons
1 Daemon Prince w/mark of Tzeentch extra maelific talons
1 Daemon Prince w/mark of Tzeentch extra maelific talons

PROS:

The Flamers are 12 wounds 4++ screens for the Exalted Flamers and Princes and when they get within 8" the auto hits are fantastic with -1AP. Even when opponents deepstriked units behind them to get at my characters the daemon princes were able to tank the hits with their 3+/4++ and polish them off. Because they have pistols and the fly keyword they do just fine in CC.

Smite spam (when it works) is legit.

Belakor with Death Hex, Warp Time and the warlord trait for an extra attack when he charges can just about assassinate anything within 30" of him. He is auto include for me now.

The entire army is fast and can fly. The slowest model still moves 10". I was ably to apply units where and when they were needed and rack up points in Maelstrom and leave CC that was unfavourable.

CONS:

Not having objective secured troops. My one loss vs. CSM was simply because I couldn't kill 1 chaos space marine (kept rolling 1's to wound) who was objective secured off an objective in the last turn of the game where I had more models than him within 3", but none are troops.

Relying on Smite. I had 1 game with 3 consecutive turns where I was only able to get 1 Smite off due to either poor rolling on my part or getting denied because my rolls were low.

If you really need the Str9 shooting on the Exalted Flamers then they often will often have to expose themselves negating their character benefits and they are quite fragile for their cost.

Be'Lakor cannot Warp Time himself as he is not Heretic Astartes. Had you been doing so, you may want to apologize to your opponents for accidentally cheating, lol

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Be'Lakor cannot Warp Time himself as he is not Heretic Astartes. Had you been doing so, you may want to apologize to your opponents for accidentally cheating, lol

You're right. Didn't catch that. He never cast it in any of my games. Only Smite and Death Hex.

He's a weird little unit, and I believe is the only one in the game that cannot cast any of his buffs on himself or other things he shares a keyword with.

Here's hoping the Daemon Codex brings us good things.

When running exalted flamers, do you ever use the Pistol weapon in liew of his heavy weapon?

Do you try to keep them sationary to not suffer -1 to hit or don't even bother with that and just move them wherever necessary?