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Looks like it's Magnus and Morty time. I wasn't expecting to buy a Mortarion, but I will be now.

Which is pretty cool means daemons and marked units can expand all of the chaos daemons detachment and such. Hopwfully. That is depending on if they can be used to fill out the detachment??


For instance to gain the detachment bonuses the detachment could require "mark" and daemons. The primarch while they have the daemons keywords, they lack the daemons faction keyword. Because if the daemons requirements for forming a detachment are mark daemons than you won't get to put said primarch in the detachment.


This basicly means you have to make a more tax detachment that is separate to include one or both primarch or any of the can daemons stuff you want to bring in your daemons force.

So now we know we can abuse the system to high hell... Make your bets! How long until the stratagem gets either clamped down on with new restrictions or nerfed into the ground?

 mrhappyface wrote:
So now we know we can abuse the system to high hell... Make your bets! How long until the stratagem gets either clamped down on with new restrictions or nerfed into the ground?

2 weeks. They already said that after every codex release there will be a faq / Errata after 2 weeks for balancing. After that you have to wait for the 6 month "fixes".

This doesn't effect me all that much, I don't have magnus or mortarion, but I was thinking about it. Now it's a back burner idea.

Azuza001 wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
So now we know we can abuse the system to high hell... Make your bets! How long until the stratagem gets either clamped down on with new restrictions or nerfed into the ground?

2 weeks. They already said that after every codex release there will be a faq / Errata after 2 weeks for balancing. After that you have to wait for the 6 month "fixes".

This doesn't effect me all that much, I don't have magnus or mortarion, but I was thinking about it. Now it's a back burner idea.

Seriously, you guys immediately go to Magnus and Mortarion, you need to think bigger.

Lord of Skulls deep strikes for 2CP.

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:

Azuza001 wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
So now we know we can abuse the system to high hell... Make your bets! How long until the stratagem gets either clamped down on with new restrictions or nerfed into the ground?

2 weeks. They already said that after every codex release there will be a faq / Errata after 2 weeks for balancing. After that you have to wait for the 6 month "fixes".

This doesn't effect me all that much, I don't have magnus or mortarion, but I was thinking about it. Now it's a back burner idea.

Seriously, you guys immediately go to Magnus and Mortarion, you need to think bigger.

Lord of Skulls deep strikes for 2CP.

I think your thinking too small.
An'ggrath can deep strike in, has re-rolls to charge due to Khorne loci and you can use the Daemon Stratagem to give him a 3++ invul. Might just be worth the 888 price tag.
Or what about the Brass Scorpion? That thing has 3d6" charge range meaning 9" means nothing to him.

 mrhappyface wrote:
I think your thinking too small.
An'ggrath can deep strike in, has re-rolls to charge due to Khorne loci and you can use the Daemon Stratagem to give him a 3++ invul. Might just be worth the 888 price tag.
Or what about the Brass Scorpion? That thing has 3d6" charge range meaning 9" means nothing to him.

Could be, that may justify the 888 points, or the Brass Scorpion cost, although I'm leery of the FW super-heavies, since it feels like they were punitively priced.

Or you could just spend 1 CP more, deep strike a Herald with a Locus alongside him and give him re-rolls to charge.

Like a banana in the sun i feel like this just won't last <.<

Tried my 2x primarch list against nids and got destroyed lol. Whelp. Turns out 3 carnifexes, old one eye and 2 hive tyrants are pretty good in melee :thinking:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Tried my 2x primarch list against nids and got destroyed lol. Whelp. Turns out 3 carnifexes, old one eye and 2 hive tyrants are pretty good in melee :thinking:

You should try a Primarch + a Brass Scorpion, I had a game last night against nids: Magnus drew lots of fire and attention away from everything else and the Scorpion... That thing did work! It dropped at least 1 monstrous creature a turn as well as doing lots of infantry damage and capping objectives. I think in total the scorpion killed: a Tyrranofex, half a unit of Hormagants, a Carnifex, a Flying Hive tyrant, a Trygon, half a unit of genestealers, a unit of termagants and a unit of Gargoyles (note: all infantry squads were 20-30 models).

I did not realise just how good the Brass scorpion was this edition; I was all for writing it off this edition since, in my first game with it, it ended my opponants first turn with 3W but then it fired it's soul shatter bombard and scorpion cannon at a Valdor Tank Hunter and dropped it to 3W too. The scorpion puts out a stupidly scary amount of fire power against monsters and vehicles.

Heh. Succesfully casting more than 20% of my spells would've helped :p

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Heh. Succesfully casting more than 20% of my spells would've helped :p

I heard that can help.

It also helps if you pray to RNJesus every night.

 mrhappyface wrote:

Or what about the Brass Scorpion? That thing has 3d6" charge range meaning 9" means nothing to him.

Mister, you've just given me a happy face.

 mrhappyface wrote:
You should try a Primarch + a Brass Scorpion

That is very nice, I've been running Magnus and the Lord of Skulls for awhile, and it's honestly about the same thing. I like that the LoS is a bit cheaper for more wounds and an arguably better degradation track.

Skarbrand deep striking is going to be powerful, as well. Guarantee you stay in combat from t1.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Skarbrand deep striking is going to be powerful, as well. Guarantee you stay in combat from t1.

What about Skarbrand + Magnus? Magnus doesn't really want to leave combat because he's got no shooting and he doesn't really like shooting either.

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Skarbrand deep striking is going to be powerful, as well. Guarantee you stay in combat from t1.

What about Skarbrand + Magnus? Magnus doesn't really want to leave combat because he's got no shooting and he doesn't really like shooting either.

They could be buddies. I wouldn't be mad about it, either. You don't need to deep strike Magnus, as he can warp time, but having the option is a real thing.

 mrhappyface wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Tried my 2x primarch list against nids and got destroyed lol. Whelp. Turns out 3 carnifexes, old one eye and 2 hive tyrants are pretty good in melee :thinking:

You should try a Primarch + a Brass Scorpion, I had a game last night against nids: Magnus drew lots of fire and attention away from everything else and the Scorpion... That thing did work! It dropped at least 1 monstrous creature a turn as well as doing lots of infantry damage and capping objectives. I think in total the scorpion killed: a Tyrranofex, half a unit of Hormagants, a Carnifex, a Flying Hive tyrant, a Trygon, half a unit of genestealers, a unit of termagants and a unit of Gargoyles (note: all infantry squads were 20-30 models).

I did not realise just how good the Brass scorpion was this edition; I was all for writing it off this edition since, in my first game with it, it ended my opponants first turn with 3W but then it fired it's soul shatter bombard and scorpion cannon at a Valdor Tank Hunter and dropped it to 3W too. The scorpion puts out a stupidly scary amount of fire power against monsters and vehicles.

Huh... I thought the scorpion was nerfed in the sense that it can only do the pistol attack or it's other shooting attack... definitely a close-combat monster tho so DS'ing it does seem tasty.

Too bad it isn't ITC approved.

 whembly wrote:
Huh... I thought the scorpion was nerfed in the sense that it can only do the pistol attack or it's other shooting attack... definitely a close-combat monster tho so DS'ing it does seem tasty.

Too bad it isn't ITC approved.

It definitely made it harder to deal with hordes but damn; S12 AP-3 D2d6 vs Monsters and Vehicles, I was easily doing 14~ wounds with each round of fire against his monsters and unfortunetly for them they only had 10-14 wounds each. And his Trygon definitely felt those straight 6 damage cc attacks.

Also, where is ITC's list of banned units?

They don't have any. They did a ban of PL for a single event. Ever since then people have been confused.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
They don't have any. They did a ban of PL for a single event. Ever since then people have been confused.

Oh?

I thought that PL cap was it for all ITC tourney...

Well then, my Brass Scorpion may see the table after all!

 whembly wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
They don't have any. They did a ban of PL for a single event. Ever since then people have been confused.

Oh?

I thought that PL cap was it for all ITC tourney...

Well then, my Brass Scorpion may see the table after all!

Always check with your local events. ITC is a suggestion for rules, regardless, not a requirement.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Looks like it's Magnus and Morty time. I wasn't expecting to buy a Mortarion, but I will be now.

And I had better pick up Magnus! Bash Bros. is gonna be NUTS!

 Cephalobeard wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Skarbrand deep striking is going to be powerful, as well. Guarantee you stay in combat from t1.

What about Skarbrand + Magnus? Magnus doesn't really want to leave combat because he's got no shooting and he doesn't really like shooting either.

They could be buddies. I wouldn't be mad about it, either. You don't need to deep strike Magnus, as he can warp time, but having the option is a real thing.

well deep strike Magnus and THEN warptime it sound awesome, you dont risk it 1st turn be focused without have the chance to cast 1 single spell, protect him to alpha strikes.

It would appear Snailman is 160ish points and the Gnarlmaw trees are NOT fortifications. Once they're down, they're down.

For the amount of rules and damage he can do - that's pretty good IMO

Very good. Especially when he heals a daemon every turn something dies, friend or foe.

Keep him next to the new named GUO and it won't ever die.

He heals himself I thought... :(

He heals a friendly daemon every single turn something has died. 2 Possible attempts per round.

With deep striking and rerolling charge range, is it finally Skarbrand's time to shine?