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What do you guys think is better to alongside a deepstriking Skarbrand or BT: deepstriking in a max squad of Bloodletters (or possibly bloodcrushers) or 2 units of 20 bloodletters?

Only one unit can take advantage of the 3d6 charge banner. Both ways use the same amount of command points.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
He heals a friendly daemon every single turn something has died. 2 Possible attempts per round.

It's start of your turn I think. He's fairly expensive for a slow moving guy, especially if you keep reserve points for trees. Though near trees at least he can advance and charge.

 akwing00 wrote:
What do you guys think is better to alongside a deepstriking Skarbrand or BT: deepstriking in a max squad of Bloodletters (or possibly bloodcrushers) or 2 units of 20 bloodletters?

Only one unit can take advantage of the 3d6 charge banner. Both ways use the same amount of command points.

One unit of 30. Boost it to 4++ with the stratagem and charge 3d6 out of the warp. Tie up literally everything.

Just go full rtard and make them fight again as well

Oh my lord, just read about the 2CP stratagem that lets a Daemon unit killed by a Grey Knight unit return into play at full wounds 9" from an enemy unit. I need to find a GK player to play against!

Keepers of Secrets are pretty good duellists now, with the ability to give a character they are fighting -3 to hit, -1 from there aura, -1 from the witstealer and the another -1 from the stratagem.

im pretty sure you will need to mix things, mono God doubt it will work great, you need a decent mix of melee and shoot, only melee means you have no ways to take out those pesky screens and you cant charge valuable targets.

Well what is our shooting choice then? Pinks and flamers?

You know what is annoying about the mounts for slaanesh not getting updated, the new version of the foot herald has a better melee weapon than the index heralds. :/

Her claws do 2 damage now instead of 1 which would have been really nice on the mounted heralds.

Edit: Amusingly on facebook, Slaanesh faction focus got more likes than both Nurgle and Tzeentch I didn't expect this though khorne having the most isn't a surprise.

 Rydria wrote:
Keepers of Secrets are pretty good duellists now, with the ability to give a character they are fighting -3 to hit, -1 from there aura, -1 from the witstealer and the another -1 from the stratagem.

That's bad ass.

Player a : "I need 3's to hit with my thunder hammer"
Player b : "actually, you need 6's, good luck with that. "
Player a : "!@$?#!"

Honestly I know some people are upset that the greater deamons didn't get charged much, but with all this stuff I don't think that they need to. There are so many ways to become amazing now. The subtlety of chaos between the chaos marine codex, the deathguard codex, and now the deamons codex leaves so much open. Can't wait for tsons to hit.

Exalted seeker chariot has actually been massively buffed this is why it costs 8pts more for starters it now has 12 wounds instead of 10 and its weapon skill is far far better.

WS (index)
2+ >> 4+ >> 6+

WS (codex)
2+ >> 3+ >> 4+

So for 8pts we got 2 extra wounds and a far better degrading stat line i'm really happy with this, it is definitely worth an 8pts increase, it may actually be better than the regular chariot now 30pts gives it twice the number of wounds, a superior impact hit rule (5+ instead of 6+) more attacks better initial weapon skill (for the first 6 wounds) then equal weapon skill until near death.

I'm not so secretly hoping my beloved LoC and Kairos got more love than the leaks indicated.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
I'm not so secretly hoping my beloved LoC and Kairos got more love than the leaks indicated.

They could have, I mean the leaker said slaanesh had no notable buffs and let's be real that exalted chariot is substantially better.

I forgot. But if there's a stratagem that adds +1 to Invul Saves, that would combine well with Ephemeral Form and the Impossible Robe for a potential 2++ yes?

 Lou_Cypher wrote:
I forgot. But if there's a stratagem that adds +1 to Invul Saves, that would combine well with Ephemeral Form and the Impossible Robe for a potential 2++ yes?

The stratagem and robe both say to a maximum of 3+

Zarakynel got a lot more interesting with advance and charge, deep strike and the new Warlord traits. Not to mention her Aura of Exquisite Despair that causes enemy units within 6” suffer up to -2 LD. Combo that with Phantasmagoria's 12” -1 LD bubble and enemies within 6” are taking morale tests with -3LD. Used correctly she could inflict massive casualties.



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 Rydria wrote:
Keepers of Secrets are pretty good duellists now, with the ability to give a character they are fighting -3 to hit, -1 from there aura, -1 from the witstealer and the another -1 from the stratagem.

Are you talking about the Aura of Acquiescence stratagem? That's -1 attack not -1 to hit, the same effect though against models with multiple attacks. You could then cast Symphony of Pain for an additional -1 to hit; for -3 to hit and -1 attack. Or go crazy and take the Bewitching Aura warlord trait and that character is potentially suffering -3 attacks and -2 to hit. Excessive indeed.

How do people feel about skull cannons now? Range, damage, and Ap increase well getting a 1/3 point cost.

Considering 2-3 for a mono khorne army.

 Sersi wrote:
Zarakynel got a lot more interesting with advance and charge, deep strike and the new Warlord traits. Not to mention her Aura of Exquisite Despair that causes enemy units within 6” suffer up to -2 LD. Combo that with Phantasmagoria's 12” -1 LD bubble and enemies within 6” are taking morale tests with -3LD. Used correctly she could inflict massive casualties.

cacophonic choir got buffed too, it is now warp charge 6 instead of 7 and if you roll 10 for the psychic test you get to add +2 to the 2d6 result.

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 Rydria wrote:
Keepers of Secrets are pretty good duellists now, with the ability to give a character they are fighting -3 to hit, -1 from there aura, -1 from the witstealer and the another -1 from the stratagem.

Are you talking about the Aura of Acquiescence stratagem? That's -1 attack not -1 to hit, the same effect though against models with multiple attacks. You could then cast Symphony of Pain for an additional -1 to hit; for -3 to hit and -1 attack. Or go crazy and take the Bewitching Aura warlord trait and that character is potentially suffering -3 attacks and -2 to hit. Excessive indeed.

The Keeper of secrets now has a debuff aura that gives -1 to hit to all enemies within 3 inch of it. So if you stack it with the witstealer and the psychic power that is a -3 to hit when are trying to hit the keeper of secrets.

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Well what is our shooting choice then? Pinks and flamers?

yes or allied chaos

Any one think that hounds are viable now with the rumored 5 pt price drop? Would have absolutely loved some kind of scout back, but c'est la vie. They seem like a decent/good unit to follow up behind some aggressive deep strikers

Do nurgle herald's still exist? Looking at what is out for the codex so far there are no point values and it is not listed in the codex. It is only in the index. Can I still use a herald as part of a legal Chaos Daemon detachment (with access to strats, relics, etc.)? It can only access spells in the index though?

orkswubwub wrote:
Do nurgle herald's still exist? Looking at what is out for the codex so far there are no point values and it is not listed in the codex. It is only in the index. Can I still use a herald as part of a legal Chaos Daemon detachment (with access to strats, relics, etc.)? It can only access spells in the index though?

They just got renamed that is all

orkswubwub wrote:
Do nurgle herald's still exist? Looking at what is out for the codex so far there are no point values and it is not listed in the codex. It is only in the index. Can I still use a herald as part of a legal Chaos Daemon detachment (with access to strats, relics, etc.)? It can only access spells in the index though?

*psst*

PM ya boy a link

What are people's thoughts on the soulstealer daemon prince ?

i haven't seen the new codex yet, i will wait to judge when i will see, but looks like nurgle is a strong choice.

 Rydria wrote:
What are people's thoughts on the soulstealer daemon prince ?

I actually quite like it. Think, especially with some of the warlord traits, strategems, and psychic powers Slaanesh has available, he might be rather hard to kill while being killy himself. Already stuck a sword on my prince(ss).

Raulengrin wrote:

 Rydria wrote:
What are people's thoughts on the soulstealer daemon prince ?

I actually quite like it. Think, especially with some of the warlord traits, strategems, and psychic powers Slaanesh has available, he might be rather hard to kill while being killy himself. Already stuck a sword on my prince(ss).

I have 2 princes with swords, which have taken a backseat to my claw princess, i can't wait to use them again.

The warlord trait is a really hard choice, there quite a few great ones, the -1 attack aura, the +3 movement, the +d3 attacks on the charge are all good.

So let's start figuring out what's good, bad, and ugly. Now that we have most of the info. Maybe start with the basic greater daemons.

The Loc with its impossible robe relic is quite amazing. I think he is durable eneough to start the game on the table, and his spells give him some pretty decent turn 1 effect and range. While he can also DS to enjoy the extra protection.

The GUO is also pretty great and has a high level of durability with out relics. While having a few character that help make him abit quicker and more agressive. With miasma a deep striking GUO is gonna be tough to deal with and a very self contained. While is is also very strong and spooky once he does get in your face. The only lame bit is he kind of lacks abit in turn one effect, and thus no matter what he's gonna have to suffer through some form of shooting and melee before he gets to start doing stuff.


The blood thirsters seem alittle meh. I thi k them getting cleave attacks make them very importantly versatile. However it lacks the message durability of the above. It can get a relic to get q better save, but it's not as good as the Loc can get too for about the same cost. Which I think puts the BT in a bad spot.

The slaannesh thing seems like a good character assasin, but again you have to get it there.

Let's break down what makes you think a LoC is amazing. Who cares if it had a 3++? It only does 5 attacks in melee, and only has a D3 smite. Absolutely magical Christmas land for a LoC, it kills a grand total of 11 models.

Are you trying to tank wounds? Why not just spend less points on 50 bodies with horrors?

He can deep strike, but for what purpose? Again, if the claim is they're amazing, or even good, we need to justify that claim. I cannot find the reasoning.

Was watching the miniwargaming review for the codex. The reviewer mentioned that for the icon to be upgraded to a banner of blood it had to be on the battlefield at the start of the game so essentially saying you couldn't give the 3d6 charge to a unit that was placed into deepstrike reserve with the other strategum.

Can anyone confirm this? I'm not sure if that's how it works, but I've only been able to hear the rules read as opposed to seeing them on the page myself.


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I know Denizens of the Warp Stratagem is used during "deployment", where you place models in the warp instead of the on the battlefield.

Banner of blood states use this stratagem before the battle choose one of your khorne models with a demonic icon...

guess my question is can you select a unit that isn't on the battlefield?