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Oh wow, that sounds fun Kappa

There is still some summoning going on, but yeah plenty of points for splitting too.

Using horrors to feed poxwalkers... am I disgusted or impressed... bit of both.

Ran a list today with a DP of Nurgle with Corruption. Took 2 turns to take out a Nemesis Grey Knight. I think the +1 wound WL trait, +1 wound psychic power and a regular Helforged Sword would do better with the Locus. Thoughts?

Wow. Poxwalkers have struck me as broken since DG Codex dropped, especially in smaller games. Now... I think the walking dead Stratagem needs to add Daemons to the list of exceptions. It’s taking two mechanisms that are already waaay open to abuse and multiplying them.

How does that poxwalker loop work exactly? I'm not a DG player and haven't fought them much.

I haven't seen Poxwalkers myself either, but from what I've read from other posters is that you basically do the following:

Include Typhus for +1 S/T
Add a number of poxwalkers (multiple units works best AFAICT)
Each turn use the stratagem "The Dead Walk Again"

The idea is that when either enemy models die, or friendly models of yours die that it bolsters the poxwalker hoard.

In order for this to be effective you need to provide threat saturation for your opponent otherwise the smart move seems to be to kill the poxwalkers.

if you play cloud of flies on 1 of pox, they become nealy unkillable with shooting and they grow in the meanwhile you kill other units, in lists with lot of cultists or horrors (splitting) you can generate almost infinite poxwalkers.

Can't work out how he did so well.

You just ignore the horrors and the strong point isnt up to much

its d6 shots hitting on a 5...

I think he probably had a lot more tactics going on than his list suggests and likely used a fair number of those reserve points to summon key daemon units (i expect he came with a case LOADED with 1-2x every single daemons unit there is)

u cant ignore horrors if they shoot at you 90 shots each turn or when they sit on obj if you ignore you lose anyway so...then first or later horrors will charge you and split when they are killed generating poxes....

 Latro_ wrote:
Can't work out how he did so well.

You just ignore the horrors and the strong point isnt up to much

its d6 shots hitting on a 5...

I think he probably had a lot more tactics going on than his list suggests and likely used a fair number of those reserve points to summon key daemon units (i expect he came with a case LOADED with 1-2x every single daemons unit there is)

Just the one case?

I’ve brought two duplex cases to games with a smaller Summoning budget than that

 lindsay40k wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
Can't work out how he did so well.

You just ignore the horrors and the strong point isnt up to much

its d6 shots hitting on a 5...

I think he probably had a lot more tactics going on than his list suggests and likely used a fair number of those reserve points to summon key daemon units (i expect he came with a case LOADED with 1-2x every single daemons unit there is)

Just the one case?

I’ve brought two duplex cases to games with a smaller Summoning budget than that

Always be prepared right? If you own 'em, bring 'em - that's the safest policy with summoning units. You never can tell what you're going to need in a given game.

Do you think if we all ask on the facebook page for them to update the chaos daemons, daemon prince of tzeentch to get 2 powers like the one in the Tsons book.... lmao

Thousand Sons are already a perfect ally for Tz. Daemons. Just grab their Daemon Prince instead.

Yeah, it's unlikely that non-Magnusian DPs will become as capable at casting as a Sorcerer

mmimzie wrote:
Do you think if we all ask on the facebook page for them to update the chaos daemons, daemon prince of tzeentch to get 2 powers like the one in the Tsons book.... lmao

Haven't seen that about princes, link me some leaks?

Ecdain wrote:

mmimzie wrote:
Do you think if we all ask on the facebook page for them to update the chaos daemons, daemon prince of tzeentch to get 2 powers like the one in the Tsons book.... lmao

Haven't seen that about princes, link me some leaks?

Basically the Thousand sons daemon prince is exactly like ours (4++)...

...Except he has the Thousand Sons/Heretic Astartes faction keywords instead of Daemon, has Death to the False Emperor, has +6" to his cast range, and knows two powers (instead of one) in addition to smite from dark hereticus/change/tzeentch and can cast two powers (instead of one). All of this for no extra cost!

Basically he's just flat better than the Tzeentch daemon prince in our codex.

 Mushkilla wrote:

Ecdain wrote:

mmimzie wrote:
Do you think if we all ask on the facebook page for them to update the chaos daemons, daemon prince of tzeentch to get 2 powers like the one in the Tsons book.... lmao

Haven't seen that about princes, link me some leaks?

Basically the Thousand sons daemon prince is exactly like ours (4++)...

...Except he has the Thousand Sons/Heretic Astartes faction keywords instead of Daemon, has Death to the False Emperor, has +6" to his cast range, and knows two powers (instead of one) in addition to smite from dark hereticus/change/tzeentch and can cast two powers (instead of one). All of this for no extra cost!

Basically he's just flat better than the Tzeentch daemon prince in our codex.

just another hint any rule GW made is for sell codex/models, basically now i use demons and ally Ts for their Dp's and there is still someone think they care of balance.

 blackmage wrote:

 Mushkilla wrote:

Ecdain wrote:

mmimzie wrote:
Do you think if we all ask on the facebook page for them to update the chaos daemons, daemon prince of tzeentch to get 2 powers like the one in the Tsons book.... lmao

Haven't seen that about princes, link me some leaks?

Basically the Thousand sons daemon prince is exactly like ours (4++)...

...Except he has the Thousand Sons/Heretic Astartes faction keywords instead of Daemon, has Death to the False Emperor, has +6" to his cast range, and knows two powers (instead of one) in addition to smite from dark hereticus/change/tzeentch and can cast two powers (instead of one). All of this for no extra cost!

Basically he's just flat better than the Tzeentch daemon prince in our codex.

just another hint any rule GW made is for sell codex/models, basically now i use demons and ally Ts for their Dp's and there is still someone think they care of balance.

I disagree the tzeentch daemon Prince as it is now is the worst in the chaos daemons book. The nurgle Prince can cast virulence bless or nurgle for to great effecg. He can also wells curruption. While the khorne guy is a poor man's primarch. The tzneetch guy.... The best he can hope for is boon of change. With two spells he'd be on par with the others.

I played agaisnt Joshua Death's list of poxwalker with pink's. It was insane and very deceptive for ITC. It prompts you to take reaper but then the poxwalkers are within 10T 30W structure.

Definitely won me over to the strength of tzeentch. Likely retooling my list and dropping letters which were just reaper chaffe and CP sinks and going for pink's with a reroll (tzeench psychic cast) which seems critical with oblits for damage roll (this is my opinion)..

orkswubwub wrote:
I played agaisnt Joshua Death's list of poxwalker with pink's. It was insane and very deceptive for ITC. It prompts you to take reaper but then the poxwalkers are within 10T 30W structure.

Definitely won me over to the strength of tzeentch. Likely retooling my list and dropping letters which were just reaper chaffe and CP sinks and going for pink's with a reroll (tzeench psychic cast) which seems critical with oblits for damage roll (this is my opinion)..

I like 20 or 30 un supported blood letters (or met with a winged DP of khorne) or no blood letters. wasting my CP on heralds or skull taker just feels bad. On top of that the blood letters on thier own with out support are super cost effective chaffe killers. As such i also don't like the khorne detachment. the reroll is nice if you are bring 2 or 3 squads of 20 blood letters wwith no banners. Otherwise I think just taking the banner is good enough on a just a unit of 20.

From thier supported pink are very strong and abit more reliable as they don't need to make a charge roll. While splitting lets them act as a powerful forward screen.

Realize that in an ITC list 20 letters gives up reaper very easily. Also if you lose even one letter on overwatch you will lose the hit bonus.

orkswubwub wrote:
Realize that in an ITC list 20 letters gives up reaper very easily. Also if you lose even one letter on overwatch you will lose the hit bonus.

A 30 man blood letter unit give it up just about as easy, It's certainly 50% durability but once you start geting past 7 kills you are praying for 1s on the banner for morale. So you have sorta deminishing returns on them that way. not to mention they are a 7pt guardsman squad.

As for the hit bonus the blood letters are still hyper effective on the charge rivaling most of the big hitter melee squads out thier for damage out put with or with out the to hit bonus. I definitly lean more toward not bringing them as they need too much dedication for something that can very easily get counters by a screen, auspex scan, forewarning, etc.

orkswubwub wrote:
I played agaisnt Joshua Death's list of poxwalker with pink's. It was insane and very deceptive for ITC. It prompts you to take reaper but then the poxwalkers are within 10T 30W structure.

Definitely won me over to the strength of tzeentch. Likely retooling my list and dropping letters which were just reaper chaffe and CP sinks and going for pink's with a reroll (tzeench psychic cast) which seems critical with oblits for damage roll (this is my opinion)..

Care to share more about how his list plays out and what he summoned against you?

Yeah, please. We'd really like to know more.

I really don't understand why you would put poxwalkers in a building. First turn shielding I guess, but it messes up stratagem use.

So... if you invoke a horror's split, it "dies" being the trigger to use that wazzit DG strategem that creates more poxwalkers?

 whembly wrote:


So... if you invoke a horror's split, it "dies" being the trigger to use that wazzit DG strategem that creates more poxwalkers?

Yep. You cloud the poxes with flies so they can't be shot, and boost the horrors so they are a real threat , now your opponent is lose lose for options

So i Ran a list essentially DG, CSM and Daemon Soup. 3x PBC (spewers), Deamon Prince / 3 x 3 oblits and sorcerer/lord , 20 letters and some plaguebearers with a khorne prince and poxbringer.

His list:
Changling
CHangecaster
-Grimoire
-Staff of Change
30 Pink horros
10 Brims
10 Brims

Daemon Prince of nurgle w/ wings malefic and 2x talons
Typhus
10 cultists
10 cultists
19 poxwalkers

Vortex Aquila Stronghold.

553 points reinforcements

So looking at the list (and not knowing who you are playing against) one may be inclined to take reaper against this list. That was a huge mistake. Everything basically started embarrked in the aquila aside from 30 pinks. First turn was basically either shoot the pinks or the aquila (for those who don't know 30W at 10T) as all characters were bubble wrapped. I made a beginner mistake (trying to remove said bubble wrap and not ancitipating the split) and dropped in some 20 blood letters who failed a 3d6 charge with a roll of 1, 2, 3

Shot pinks with 4++ and didn't accomplish much. Poxwalkers emerged from the aquila (were embarked so essentially all the troops are untargetable). He popped strat, pinks killed letters, grew literally towards my entire force (every model lets him put one two inches away in any direction) and essentialy wrapped around my entire force with poxwalkers. Everything got stuck and there were no eliglbe targets to kill on my turn. The oblits couldnt' shoot the poxwalkers because they had 3-4 units tied in melee (abusing pile in and consolidate to grow into other units, 3 dead model s= 6 inch tendril). Only eliglibe target the entire game was either aquila or the pinks - which if you shoot will only split and make more poxes. He had 9 CP so essentially just made poxes untargetable if he needed.

Obvious tactics are obvious - walkers were daisy chained to typhus to get blades etc. Horrors always by changeling.

Summoned in a blue scribes too somewhere in there to damn my psychic ability to smite anything and stole death hex (no more casts) also happened to roll treason of tzeentch. He accidentally rolled 3 dice for the treason but it was NBD as I was lost as soon as the poxwalkers had everything in melee (end of turn 1 really).

Don't hold me to the exact ranges he was growing his poxwalkers but that is mroe or less how it worked, after getting one unit in melee he was able to get many other units enmeshed as well and then do what he wanted to take secondary points and outman on the primaries. It isn't the kind of list that tables you but prevents you from taking secondaries. Probably a better bet against this kind of list would be to go behind enemy lines, recon, and another that is more individual of wiping out units. Or to save the bloodletters to clean up the poxes after they try to grow towards the force as they only really have a 5+++ to fall back on - it would significantly shrink the primary win condition.

Pinks never dropped below 21 models as all further damage goes to blues and brims - so dakka stands tall - needless to say all of these blues splitting also adds more poxes.

Also - P.S. Aquila can hurt a lot when it wants to =(

This is from memory so probably some errors, happened first day of tournament.

pretty close to the winners list of the german championship mid january. Its close in the sense that horrors (and cultists) were used to create poxies and flood the board. not even those stupid dark reapers and shining spears lists are able to withold. Only thing: The Horror and changeling nerf wasnt in effect. But truth is: Its not that necessary.

Changeling
Herold of Nurgle
16, 16, 16, 17, 17, 17 Brimstones

Alpha Legion Slaanesh Sorcerer
Alpha Legion Tzeentch DP
20 Noise Marines
10, 10, 10 Cultists

Nurgle DP
Typhus
Tallyman
10, 10, 10 Poxwalkers

gg

Hmmm I thought his might be happening. I don't think you can apply the dead walk again stratagem to an embarked unit. I guess it's debatable.